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 Kr55
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Registered: May 2002
Location: Edmonton
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| Adam wrote on Mon, 29 June 2020 21:42 |
| Kr55 wrote on Mon, 29 June 2020 21:25 |
| nullterm wrote on Mon, 29 June 2020 21:17 |
| NetBOG wrote on Mon, 29 June 2020 20:08 |
Fun fact:
Oilers team salary 2001-2002: $24.3 million
Doug Weight salary 2001-2002: $9 million
That why Weight left. Oilers cheap owners. Smyth just wasn't good enough to command a stupid contract from a rich team.
Kevin Lowe actually did a really good job keeping the team competitive without any money.
Introduction of the salary cap and change in ownership seems to have done more to sewer the team.
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MacT and Lowe were actually doing a good to great job with limited resources that they had, from 2000 to the summer of 06.
Then the wheels fell off...
... and the car exploded
... and the neighbouhood caught fire
... and the city burned.
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Big reason the team died is when the leadership core Sather left Lowe went away IMO. That is the thing Lowe was missing through the entire run of failed rebuilds. He thought the team could just be handed to kids. He watched guys like Smith, Smyth, Moreau, Marchant and others move on and there was not much left. Team was just lost and the only idea Lowe had to fix it was more kids.
The game changed a bit too during Lowe's POHO days. He admitted this a few years ago, he didn't realize how important puck moving D were. He said he kept thinking back to how every time Dallas beat him in the playoffs it was because of their top end forwards, so he wanted to get that through the draft. He forgot about veteran leaders, puck moving D that the rest of the league were busy drafting and developing (while we shipped off every one that we managed to draft).
Anyways, results speak for themselves, the game left Lowe behind and he really put no effort into adapting and understanding how the game was changing.
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I tend to agree. Sather's responsible for almost anything good that happens up until 2005-06. He did the miraculous Salo trade. He left us with Weight/Guerin/Smyth as the top line. Marchant/Grier/Moreau was called a checking line, but used more like a 2nd line. And they regularly outplayed their opposition. Hamrlik/Niinimaa/Poti/Smith is a pretty solid top four. Laraque was a decent fourth liner and enforcer. The team had already drafted Horcoff, Comrie, Pisani, Chimera.
Lowe eroded that. Guerin deal turns out well due to Hemsky pick, but the Weight deal was horrendous. Hamrlik for Brewer/Green is a downgrade. Poti goes for for York - that's not bad, but Niinimaa for Isbister/Torres is a loss too. Grier goes for draft picks. Marchant leaves (bitter) as a free agent. Chimera leaves (bitter) in a trade for draft picks. Comrie leaves (bitter) - and we all know that story.
Kevin Lowe had a fantastic 2005-06 season. Everything he touched turned to gold. Brewer, Lynch, Woywitka for Pronger, York for Peca, Rita and Cross for Tarnstrom, Salmelainen for Spacek, 2nd round pick and Reasoner for Samsonov, 1st rd pick for Roloson. He did phenomenally that year. But other than that, I have a hard time seeing what Lowe did that was great other than that.
MacTavish was a decent coach and kept us on the bubble despite the eroding talent base, but Lowe? Not good.
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Yeah, I won't deny that Lowe caught lightning in a bottle that year. Almost missed the playoffs of course, and that was an epic year of choking by the top teams in the west with the top 4 losing to the bottom 4, and after Detroit's choke (in a long run of chokes around that time). We got to play a lot of green teams the whole way through to the finals. But yeah, it ended up a good year. Lowe spent the next 13+ years proving it was a fluke though :)
I actually see some parallels between Chia and Lowe's GM careers. Only Chia got to keep all the talent he inherited. Was probably more than Lowe had too, and the results matched that. Still, in the end, after years of giving away talent for pennies on the dollar, and slowly chipping away at depth on the team, Chia exposed what a weak manager he was, finally after almost a decade. And of course had an epic followup with us to leave no doubt.
"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013
"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015
5 x $5,000,000
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