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 Adam
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Registered: August 2005
Location: Edmonton, AB
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| NetBOG wrote on Thu, 25 June 2020 12:45 |
| Adam wrote on Thu, 25 June 2020 12:20 |
| NetBOG wrote on Thu, 25 June 2020 12:02 |
| jds308 wrote on Thu, 25 June 2020 11:50 |
I've got no problem with KLowe getting in as a player. I would also be fine if he never got in. Fact is, it just doesn't matter all that much to me. Rod Langway got in 2002, so they pretty much let anyone in if it fits their agenda that year. As for Lowe the player, compared to many others that have got in before him, yeah I think he deserves to be there. He also won the King Clancy award in 89/90 you know?
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2-time Norris trophy winner Rod Langway is where you go for a guy you don't think deserves to be in the Hall of Fame?
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Least deserving Norris Winner ever though...
I did refer to Lowe as this generation's Dick Duff. LaPerriere from the Habs in the 70s is in as well and that's a joke too.
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Explain?
It's not like Bourque, Coffey, Potvin, Park, Howe and many others weren't also available to vote on.
He went 4-2-4 in 3 consecutive years of Hart voting too. When Gretzky was pre-determined to win.
Do you think voters just had an aneurysm while voting for 2 consecutive years (placed 2nd in the 3rd)
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I had a post about this a while back. I think people over-rate defence first players in hockey and always have. Toughness is over-prized, shot blocking the same.
Let's look at the second year because it's the most egregious, despite Langway TRIPLING his goal output year over year:
Langway 80GP 9G 24A 33Pts
Coffey 80GP 40G 86A 126Pts
This is only the second time in history that a defenceman scored 40 goals in a season (Coffey would do it again a couple years later and set the record at 48). This was the third highest point total for a defenceman of all-time at the time (4th now) and the highest by anyone not named Bobby Orr.
While Langway won because he was considered a defensive stalwart, he was a +14 to Coffey's +52. Langway was 8th on his team in plus minus and 4th among defencemen, while Coffey was the top blueliner and 2nd on his team so it's not simply that Langway was excelling on a terrible team. The Capitals were pretty decent (48-27-5, 2nd in the Patrick Division) and he was not head and shoulders above any teammates in any measurable categories - he basically won based on intangibles as far as I can tell, despite an absolutely incredible season from Paul Coffey - who was 2nd in the entire league in scoring.
I do think some of that is Oilers blowback and some belief that Gretzky was a big part of it, but no one else not named Orr ever did anything close with or without Gretzky. Langway, tied for 43rd among defenceman in scoring that year, shouldn't likely have even been a finalist.
Edit: Bourque (96 points) and Potvin (85 points) should have been the 1984 runners up.
[Updated on: Thu, 25 June 2020 13:56]
"Thinking that a bad team's best players are the reason the team is bad is the "Tambellini re-signing Lennart Petrell" of sports opinions." @Woodguy55
#FireLowe #FireBobbyNicks #FireKenHolland #FireKeithGretzky
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