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Re: Archibald Resigned [message #757171 is a reply to message #757152 ]	Fri, 06 March 2020 15:31

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Adam wrote on Fri, 06 March 2020 14:29

RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 06 March 2020 12:46

Adam wrote on Fri, 06 March 2020 12:35

RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 06 March 2020 12:29

Oilers resigned Archibald for 2 yrs at 1.5 per. I think that's a pretty decent contract for a guy who has 12 goals, 20 pts in 59 games. Small guy but is physical, fast, brings it and is critical to the PK. I think it's a solid deal for a guy who might flirt with 15 goals.

Cue Adam's rant about how he should be taking a pay cut and how it's a bad contract.

It's a meh deal.

I would not have done it now. Of his 20 points, how many have come while playing with McDavid? I'm going to guess 12-14, despite a relatively small sample size. Someone probably can pull the WOWYs there.

Archibald has been okay. That's about it. I'm not sure he's earned a 50% year over year raise with his play this year, but again, it's nice that Oilers management will be at the cabin before US Independence Day...they'll be so rested for next year, and that's important. Holland isn't a young man any more!

What a shock. Adam comes in to be Debbie downer on an Oiler move. I find it interesting that you aren't harping on numbers as much now but have resorted to taking pot shots about the Oilers management getting their business done earlier and continually say its so they can take more holidays.

He's fast, aggressive, shockingly physical for a small guy, great on the PK, a good guy and has 12 goals and 20 pts. It wouldn't shock me to see him finish with close to 15 goals and 25 pts. He's even shown in short spurts he can slide up a few lines and not look completely overmatched. He's not old either. He's EXACTLY what you want in a bottom 6 guy including production. At 1.5 mill, that isn't even expensive bottom money. This isn't a 1 yr thing, he did it last year as well and looks to be a classic Tippet guy he had on Arizona.

So what possible advantage is there to wait if you have a useful player you like who fills a role, is playing well and you can sign him to a pretty reasonable deal, what possible reason is there to wait? On what planet does his contract get cheaper?

You're upset with me for being too optimistic on Puljujarvi, too pessimistic on team management...there's just no winning with you!!!

Unfortunately, your argument on the high desirability of Josh Archibald probably doesn't hold up. He had 12-10-22 in 68 games last year with the Coyotes - that came without any of the McDavid bump - and he still was a mid-summer signing (July 16th) last off-season, for just a single year at $1MM.

He's basically duplicated his results - possibly in part because he's got to play with McDavid and got a year older. There's nothing there that suggests to me that it was a slam dunk he'd get a 50% raise or an extra year on his deal.

As I said before, this isn't an awful signing, but it isn't a great one either and it's unclear why it had to happen so soon since it's not a team-friendly deal. The off-to-the-cabin comments are a little tongue in cheek of course, but the Oilers haven't historically been one of those teams where management grinds it out all summer. Re-upping everyone now isn't going to leave much room to do anything else in the summer - both from a cap perspective and a contracts and roster spot perspective so Holland (and Lowe, Nicholson and Keith Gretzky) can race to Kelowna to work on their tans!

I tell you what, if you can explain to me the difference between Brandon Tanev and Archibald and why it would make sense to have waited, I will listen to your argument and maybe change my mind. I am a reasonable guy. Give me a good argument.

Tanev last year was 27. Career bottom 6 guy who's fast, physical, good on the PK with not a lot of NHL experience. To date he has 260 NHL games, 35 goals, 76 pts. So .135 goals/game and 0.29 pts/game. IN his UFA season he had 14 goals, 29 pts. In the offseason, a really good team and organization in Pittsburgh signed him for 6 yrs at 3.5 mill with a Mod NTC.

Archibald is 27. Career bottom 6 guy who's fast, physical, good on the PK with not a lot of NHL experience. To date he has 180 NHL games, 32 goals, 56 pts. So .178 goals/game and 0.31 pts/game. This season he has 12 goals, 20 pts. Now there is still 14 games left so he could probably get close to Tanev's goals in his UFA season and somewhat close to points. The Oilers signed him for 2 yrs at 1.5 mill per.

So please explain to me why it would have been a great idea to wait? I just listed an EXACT comparable to Archie. Same roles, similar style of play, same age, similar points. In fact Arch has better production. Tanev got almost 2.5 times what the Oilers just signed him on the open market. I would have never thought Tanev would get the deal he got from the Pens, especially from a team like the Pens. This season he has 11 goals and 25 pts. So explain to me the difference between the 2 players and the advantage of waiting for the Oilers?

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Archibald Resigned	By: RDOilerfan on Fri, 06 March 2020 12:29
Re: Archibald Resigned	By: Adam on Fri, 06 March 2020 12:35
Re: Archibald Resigned	By: Kr55 on Fri, 06 March 2020 12:42
Re: Archibald Resigned	By: RDOilerfan on Fri, 06 March 2020 12:46
Re: Archibald Resigned	By: Adam on Fri, 06 March 2020 14:29
Re: Archibald Resigned	By: RDOilerfan on Fri, 06 March 2020 15:31
Re: Archibald Resigned	By: Adam on Fri, 06 March 2020 15:45
Re: Archibald Resigned	By: RDOilerfan on Fri, 06 March 2020 15:55
Re: Archibald Resigned	By: Adam on Fri, 06 March 2020 15:58
Re: Archibald Resigned	By: Magnum on Fri, 06 March 2020 12:42
Re: Archibald Resigned	By: RDOilerfan on Fri, 06 March 2020 12:50
Re: Archibald Resigned	By: JPro on Fri, 06 March 2020 14:04
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Re: Archibald Resigned	By: welcometotheOC on Fri, 06 March 2020 14:17
Re: Archibald Resigned	By: RDOilerfan on Fri, 06 March 2020 14:23
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Re: Archibald Resigned	By: JPro on Fri, 06 March 2020 16:29
Re: Archibald Resigned	By: Kr55 on Fri, 06 March 2020 12:54
Re: Archibald Resigned	By: RDOilerfan on Fri, 06 March 2020 12:58
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