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 PlusOne
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Registered: July 2006
Location: Regina, Sask
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| Gator21 wrote on Mon, 10 February 2020 19:54 |
| PlusOne wrote on Mon, 10 February 2020 18:35 |
| Gator21 wrote on Mon, 10 February 2020 18:40 |
| Adam wrote on Mon, 10 February 2020 12:40 |
| JPro wrote on Mon, 10 February 2020 12:35 |
The more I think about it, the more I really like the deal. I like to put it in terms of regret management. What situation has the most chance to occur?:
1. Signing him to an 8 year deal at $7M now and him not living up to it after a few years. Screwing with our ability to build a winning team.
2. Signing him to a shorter, cheaper deal now followed by him lighting the league up in points to the extent that he is worth over $7M in 2022 and we have to replace him.
I doubt #2 happens. Lets take the savings now and go for a run at a deep playoff push while we have him cheap. If he becomes too expensive in 2022, we'll be fine with the prospect pool. If we sign him long term now and he drops off in two years, it'll be regret city. Which has been the Oiler M.O. for the last decade
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I like the deal and I DO think he'll be likely to attract a $7MM+ deal after two years. He'll be 27, physical, a great skater and likely posting 30-40 points in each of the last 4 seasons despite minimal PP time. While his passing isn't great, and he's getting some McDavid bump on his numbers, that's still a valuable resource where if he reaches UFA, he'll get paid big by someone - who will likely even give him term.
It does give us two more years to decide if that should be us though...and that's where I see the greatest value. Well, that and the cap room over the next couple of years.
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Exactly why this is a HORRENDOUS deal. You're walking one of your best assets right to free agency and could lose him for nothing. If all the cap savings you're gonna get is $600k by doing a short term deal then why not just go long term like the Morrisey contract and lock up a core member for the long haul at a somewhat reasonable dollar amount.
Very stupid contract, guarantee the Oilers will be paying Darnell north of $7mil on the next deal with term for a dman who is not worth nearly that much. The fact that anybody can look at this deal and not see it for the colossal failure that it is is astonishing to me
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Your anger seems to stem from an assumption that if Holland crossed out Morrisey's name and added Nurse's it would have been signed on the spot. From everything we have been led to believe that isnt what Nurse is willing to do.
The market can set what a player is worth and a player or team can disagree with that. I am 100% sure that if Nurse was an FA right now some team would pay 7mill plus. This means that at the VERY least the Oilers are getting two years of Nurse cheaper than the likely market rate.
The other fact is that unless Nurse WAS willing to sign long term at well below market value the Oilers couldnt offer that. The cap situation is so F'd by Chia that they are handcuffed. This contract does seem like the best option (assuming trading him this offseason wasnt considered) given the ask of Nurse and the options the Oilers have.
This leaves us with four options;
- like the deal regardless of other factors
- like the deal within the circumstances the Oilers are in
- dont like the deal, be mad at Darnell for wanting more
- dont like the deal, be mad at previous management for putting the team in this bind.
I am sure there are others but being mad at Holland for a bad deal seems misguided or willfully blind.
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Well below market value? Haha the market was literally set 5 months ago when Morrisey signed his contract. Nurse can ask for Trouba money all he wants, he's not getting it...simple as that. If Nurse wants to be an Oiler long term why wouldn't he sign a contract with his EXACT comparable. It's not like the Morrisey contract was signed a couple years ago either. If I'm Holland I'm saying either take the same deal or we'll see you in arbitration. Sometimes a GM needs to have backbone in negotiations and not just bend over. Walking one your best assets to free agency to save $600K in cap space for 2 years is beyond stupid
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Again, you are assuming that Nurse agrees that is his value and that no one else in the league would pay more.
We know that Nurse doesnt agree but dont about the rest of the league. That said, I am 90% sure that if Nurse was an FA he would get well over Morrisey. You continue to drop this 600K like it is fact and it simply isnt. Even if they went to arbitration the agent would bring in a long list of reasons that isnt perfect (even if it is) and higher paid, worse, players as his comparables. Now the Oilers get to list all the reasons Nurse isnt worth it? sounds like a great way to end the relationship poorly once that contract is over. At least with this contract there is a chance the Oilers can keep him after.
I do respect your opinion though as there is risk to this deal. One of the reasons I am ok with it is that I absolutely hate arbitration. It almost never ends well, and one of the side ends up super bitter while the other side is only kind of bitter.
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| CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 30 January 2020 12:21 |
und(i)sputed O.L.F.N Heavybra(i)n Champ(i)on of the Woooooooooooooooooorld. Plus. One.
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