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 Kr55
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| PlusOne wrote on Thu, 31 October 2019 12:51 |
| Adam wrote on Thu, 31 October 2019 11:39 |
| RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 31 October 2019 09:35 |
See my post above. If it's not as important as you say, then why would a team throw out a poor offensive center strictly to win a faceoff in an offensive situation? It happens frequently.
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It's actually pretty rare. I can't think of many situations where a Boyd Gordon getting powerplay time. Gordon, for example, had 9 powerplay points in 706 games.
Maybe you're thinking Shawn Horcoff, but Horcoff was actually a very effective powerplay producer in his time with the Oilers. He was on the powerplay for more than just his face-offs.
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This is a pretty easy debate to end and it just isnt true that teams putting a FO specialist on the PP "happens frequently"
Here are the stats thus far for this season;
http://www.nhl.com/stats/player?report=skaterpowerplay&r eportType=season&seasonFrom=20192020&seasonTo=201920 20&gameType=2&filter=gamesPlayed,gte,1&sort=ppFa ceoffsWon
You will be pretty hard pressed to find a player taking very many PP faceoffs that isnt also a PP worthy offensive player.
Small sample size? Here is all last season;
http://www.nhl.com/stats/player?report=skaterpowerplay&r eportType=season&seasonFrom=20192020&seasonTo=201920 20&gameType=2&filter=gamesPlayed,gte,1&sort=ppFa ceoffsWon
Same thing. Players who are on the PP are PP players almost every time.
I dont think anyone is saying that faceoffs have zero importance but in the big picture of a teams success FO% is one of the lowest. Hits and blocked shots often have a much higher correlation to wins.
Teams (and fans) holding onto winning faceoffs as a hugely important facet of the game are simply missing the big picture of what is actually needed to win.
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The faceoff win gives you something like a 10-15s window of improvement to generate a shot attempt. So it is a pretty small influence in the big picture, especially considering how even and random faceoffs are and there is no guy that is out there winning every time.
It's a thing where the influence would only become large if certain teams and players stopped caring about it, which will never happen. If some team just decided, "meh, just have the wingers take faceoffs cause they don't matter", you could actually see it affect their outcomes in a measurable way :)
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