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Re: Oilers 2019 Training Camp Roster [message #743279 is a reply to message #743278 ]	Wed, 25 September 2019 10:01

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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 25 September 2019 08:34

I will probably get some flack for saying this because it's me saying something remotely positive about the Oilers organization but I am going to give the Oilers and Holland a little credit here. Holland came in and said:

- He wanted to increase the depth of the Oilers. Given the mess he was left by Chia, to do that given his cap problems was going to be tough but he managed to do that. Still a work in progress as they need to add a little more skill but he's filled the team with at least NHLers rather than cross your fingers career AHLers can somehow magically be NHLers.

- He said he would be patient with making any moves either trades or signings. He didn't go Chi and blow his wad on a big signing that would probably not work or make a bad trade. His patience with JP is way more than I expected.

- The big thing. He said he wanted to develop the young players properly. He said he prefers to send them down and call them up when they are truly ready. He sent Benson, Marody and Jones down fairly early because they weren't ready. I saw many a mock line up by all kinds of media and bloggers that had at least Benson and Jones as locks. He said with Bouchard especially that he was pretty much going to go down no matter what. Bouchard went down.

The first 2 points I made I see as positives but at the same time, given the Oilers cap situation, maybe he didn't sign guys because he didn't have money in the first place. For trades, when you don't have a lot of assets to give up, it's pretty hard to make trades. So I can pass those off a bit. But the handling of the young guys is a big deal to me because it's anti Oilers of the past, I don't even know how long.

The Oilers could use some skill on the wings in the top 9, even the second line. That's what Benson brings. Benson had a great AHL season last year. Benson is pretty close to being ready. So the old Oilers would have rammed him in the line up rather than let him finish off that last bit of development. The Oilers could use a 3rd line center with some skill. That's what Marody could be. He had a great AHL season last year and is close. The old Oilers would have rammed him in rather than let him potentially finish off his development. The biggest one, is Bouchard. The Oilers need a puck moving, decent skating, right shot dman that brings some offense. Exactly what Bouchard is. Bouchard by all accounts had a pretty good camp. He has a few things to finish off development but he's pretty darn close. Then Persson goes down last night with something. I thought for sure he would stay up longer. But he went down anyway which shocked me. The old Oilers would have for sure kept Bouchard up and probably kept him up for the whole camp and the old Oilers would have probably had him on the team.

There is still a ways to go but maybe some actual positive things happening which is a long time coming.

I agree he sent people down who otherwise would still be up. Beeyond that it's all too early to tell.

Neal is probably an improvement on Lucic
"Insert Player Name" is probably an improvement on Reider
Is Sheahan a less offensive but better defensively Strome?
What's a Granlund? What's an Archibald/Haas/Nygaard?

This season, barring a miracle, was likely going to be a lost cause last September. I still feel that way.

If your expectation was that in 1 offseason Holland could magically fix all the problems that Chia left, then no disrespect but I think that's a pretty ridiculous expectation.

Last year the Oilers had Rattie play 50 games who is in the KHL. They had JP who is in a league lower than the KHL. Yamamoto played 17 games and wasn't close. Currie played 21 games and isn't an NHLer. They traded for Spooner which was stupid, he's in Europe. While not world beaters, I would say that Granlund, Archibald, Sheahan will be better players than guys who currently can't play in the NHL.

That wasn't my expectation. I'm saying the opposite. There was no chance at salvaging this season. That being said, Holland did more than I thought possible by getting out from under the Lucic contract. But the Chia Effect isn't solvable in one offseason.

I agree with you then. If every goes well and they get decent goaltending, then in my opinion maybe they can challenge for a playoff spot. They were technically in hunt last year with a worse team so maybe they have a chance but I would be surprised if they made it. So I expect them to be closer but as you said, given what Chia left, it wasn't possible to fix everything in 1 year.

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