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Re: Oilers 2019 Training Camp Roster [message #742723 is a reply to message #742718 ]	Sat, 14 September 2019 20:56

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CrudeRemarks wrote on Thu, 12 September 2019 08:25

Heard a very intelligent quote from Holland regarding young players.

"I'd rather make the call during the season to call a player up than make the call during the season to send the player down"

Makes total sense. It's probably less of a letdown if the player doesn't make opening night roster as opposed to making the roster and then getting sent down because they can't hack it during the regular season.

And on the other side of things it'd be a big boost for them to perform well and get the call to the show. So simple, and yet the exact opposite of the traditional Oiler way.

Of course, he's going to have to send back down most guys that he calls up...What comes up and all that.

If a D is required on a temporary basis, maybe the Oilers would call up a veteran D from Bakersfield, even if a guy like Bouchard is dominating in the AHL. Holland was saying Bouchard is going to be a first or second pairing defenseman in the NHL, not a # 7 guy who sits in the press box. Of course, it would be fascinating to see a player like Bouchard get some NHL ice time during the season, but it would be disappointing to see him get a call up to the NHL, only to have him sit in the press box or be on a third pairing and get about 4-6 minutes per game. I don't like the idea of a Keagan Lowe or Brandon Manning getting called up even on emergency basis, but there must be a few tweener D that will be in Bakersfield (maybe Bear or Jones, who should be almost "overripe" by now).

It will also be a good test for Woodcroft. He showed last year that he can make the Condors a successful and cohesive team at the AHL level, but I think a big part of his job this year will be to have guys ready to fill in during short-term emergencies at the NHL level.

You would think based on the fact that both have had extended auditions that Bear would be the top RD, and Jones the top LD should need arise. I believe this is the last year either of those guys will be waiver exempt too, so the team needs to make some decisions on where they fit moving forward.

It will be interesting to see how Persson fits in to the mix too. Older player on a one-way deal, so the expectation has to be that he's top 7 unless completely pushed out by one of the young guys.

If Persson does well maybe they can move Benning and bring up Bear or Jones.

Matt Benning is a player I have time for. I want to know how he was +5 and +11 in years where the Oilers as a team are -29 and -42 respectively.

Sheltered minutes.

That’s just a guess though I don’t actually know.

Worth noting, the only truly sheltered minutes on the Oilers the last couple years have been while McDavid is on the ice. The team has generally gotten caved in whenever he's not out there.

I don't think Benning's had a tonne of time with McDavid, as the coaches have generally pushed the top pair out behind him, haven't they?

I do think Benning is a little underrated. If he's your 3RD, that's not bad.

I don't think I would give up on Benning yet either. If we can keep him on <2M deals, I think he can still grow into a 2nd pair guy. He was sheltered for sure, from the perspective of his % of time vs top competition, but in that time he did play against top players, he was one of our best performers vs that tier.

Benning is like a poor man's Petry. He makes good plays, quite a bit of them, but he also has massive super visible brain farts. Overall, the good stuff is almost always cancelling out the bad, but because the bad is so visible, there is a pattern created that makes it easy to single him out as a scapegoat. Obviously typical fans prefer guys like Russell that are giving up the blue line and sliding around on the ice and making lame passes up the boards that consistently ensure you're stuck in your own end more often than you should be. That's OK, because a Russell at least doesn't make the odd super bad giveaway to a guy right in front of the net.

It was actually nice to hear Tippett make comments along this line when talking about analytics. He gave an example almost exactly like this, where he had a Dman that he believed was very solid defensively, and a guy that he thought had defensive warts in his game. But he realized looking at the stats that the guy that appeared to be good defensively was actually causing the team to be on the defense more often which pretty much is Russell in a nutshell (he wasn't talking about Russell of course). The other guy was helping keep pucks out of their end and removing the need to defend, which is much preferred.

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