 RDOilerfan
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| Adam wrote on Thu, 29 August 2019 09:16 |
| RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 29 August 2019 08:52 |
JP was bigger than a lot of the juniors he played against and he was the 3rd guy on a stacked Finnish junior line. He had a 80+ point center in Aho and a 35+ goal sniper on his line. Does he have talent, sure he does. You have to have some talent to play with those types of players. But do I think he was propped up a bit by having 2 NHL stars on his line? Hell yes. Kassian last year looked like he could be a top 6 player when he was on a line with the best player in the world in McDavid and a 50 goal, 100 pt player in Leon who's also elite. Do I think Kassian is a top 6 player if he wasn't with McDavid and Leon? Hell no.
JP has talent but it was raw. Teams got dazzled by the physical tools but in reality, he shouldn't have been taken that high given just how much development time he needs.
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I love the revisionist history here.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_World_Junior_Ice_Hockey_C hampionships
As one of the youngest guys in the tournament, he led the tourney in points with 17 in 7 games. He was also reputed to be the defensive conscience on that line - there were scouting reports saying he was unlikely to hit the same numbers that Laine would, but looked like he'd be a more rounded player.
Pos Player Country GP G A Pts +/− PIM
1 Jesse Puljujärvi Finland 7 5 12 17 +8 0
2 Sebastian Aho Finland 7 5 9 14 +9 4
3 Patrik Laine Finland 7 7 6 13 +8 6
4 Auston Matthews United States 7 7 4 11 +6 2
5 Matthew Tkachuk United States 7 4 7 11 +7 6
6 Alexander Nylander Sweden 7 4 5 9 +5 0
7 Zach Werenski United States 7 2 7 9 +10 4
8 Denis Malgin Switzerland 6 1 8 9 −1 6
9 Olli Juolevi Finland 7 0 9 9 +6 4
10 Christian Dvorak United States 7 3 5 8 +8 0
10 Adrian Kempe Sweden 7 3 5 8 +1 8
That's a lot of good players in that tournament, and there's Puljujarvi at the very top on the gold-medal winning team.
Let's not pretend that there was a really good argument that he wasn't a top-5 pick. I don't defend a lot that the Oilers do - but the drafting of Puljujarvi was completely justifiable - and likely the right decision at the time.
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It's amazing to me how many excuses you can come up for JP and how you sluff off the fact that YES a team is responsible for developing a player but it's up to the player to do it. If he doesn't train properly or in the case of JP, go to English classes or whatever else they are told to do, he's not going to develop no matter how good a team is at development. A team can only do so much. Did the Oilers screw up, yes they did. None of that is being denied. But how a player turns out is not solely the result of that a team does. A player and what he does is plays a MASSIVE role in where he ends up.
There are TONS of junior aged players every year who look absolutely dominate in junior, you tear up the World Juniors and amount to squat once they hit the pros. Don't believe me, look at the list of guys you posted. What's Nylander done? He was tied with Aho. He's not even an NHLer yet. What's Malgin done? What's Juolevi done? Again, another NON NHLer.He hasn't even made the NHL yet. If you want to ignore what I pointed out with your little chart, then go look at the roster of pretty much EVERY Canadian University team and they are littered with really, really high scoring, good CHL players who where some of the best players on their junior team, probably were the center of wingman of NHLers who didn't get a sniff at the NHL and won't ever get a sniff.
JP had a great tournament. GREAT!! It doesn't mean squat if you can't translate it to the next level.
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