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Re: Oilers signed Archibald [message #740593 is a reply to message #740592 ]	Wed, 17 July 2019 13:47

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So... is the strategy to sign whatever you can bottom 6'ers to see if one of them can rise up to be in a top 6 role?

...or is it the hope?!

It's the hope isn't it? Yeah... hope.

As mightyreasoner's suggested, Holland's strategy seems to mirror the one MacTavish had to corner the market on third pairing defencemen. I'm sure it will work just as well.

Based on Young Willis' work, this appears to be another attempt to bolster the PK group. Archibald had good PK results with the Coyotes.

Overall, I think the whole org puts a lot of blame on how bad the bottom 6 was last year. Hitch touched on their lack of compete many times last season, and I'm sure he continues to put that point home as an adviser.

All we are getting this year is an attempt to bump the speed and "compete" level of our bottom 6, a fresh new look from coaching, and we pray it's enough to battle for a wildcard spot.

Then next summer, we bring back Hall :) Anyone been listening to Stauffer trying to hint almost every day at a Hall return? lol.

I think it's a stretch to think Hall would come back. It's not like the organization has made big changes. The Old Boys are still in control. Lowe and Gretzky and Howson all were there to bless dealing him away, and they all are there to bless the next idiotic move. He probably would still have to have Glenn Anderson and other 1980s Oilers hanging around team parties.

And the team is still not good, so it's not like he's coming to a team on the cusp of a championship. Also we gave his number to a third pairing defenceman...

So are you saying that Hall has an attitude problem, is petty and hold grudges? All you did was list off petty reasons like still upset being about being traded and you listed off a few guys who are still hanging around.

It was a stupid trade that shouldn't have happened. But in trading him, the argument can be made it helped his career. Hall was a very good player when he was with the Oilers. But his last season with the Oilers, 26 goals, 65 pts. Doesn't jump off the page. Previous years were good, not great with 1 80 pts. Never scored 30 goals, never in the conversation for any awards. Did he even make an allstar team with the Oilers? Maybe once. Trade shakes him up. Takes him a year to get over it, has an MVP season on a crap team with little to work with. Again, I am not justifying the trade, it was stupid but I don't for a second think he would have hit the gear he's at if he was an Oiler playing behind McDavid. He'd be on the second line with Nuge. So I doubt he scores what he has in NJ. McDavid would get all the awards, all the praise and probably all the all star nods. I am not even sure on the Oilers, he would get first unit PP time. Maybe. He's going to get probably overpaid by a team this offseason because he has that MVP on his resume, something he would never have gotten on the Oilers. I wish the trade didn't happen and I would be very happy to see Hall with Nuge on the second line putting up high 20's in goals, flirting with 70 pts just like he did all those years but I don't think Hall was scorned as badly as you make it out to be.

Uhhhh...no.

I'm saying that as a free agent, he probably wants to go where he has a chance to win. Here we have a dreadful front office who already traded him for peanuts once in a brutal deal.

And chances are, there will be several other suitors who are much closer to winning a Stanley Cup. There shouldn't be - five seasons in with McDavid, it's a crime not to be a perrennial contender - but that's why it's not a smart decision to sign with the Oilers. The organization is a running joke.

Besides, by the time he's available here, his buddies are going to be pretty close to being released from the asylum. Nuge (if not traded in a similar terrible deal) will be a year away from UFA, and McDavid will be about one more blown season away from demanding a trade.

PS. He should have been on the first line with McDavid - they were played together pathetically little, only because we had a pathetically bad coach who couldn't go more than two games without shuffling the deck.

I think he's actually really good buddies with Nurse. Like our boy mcDavid. Nurse is the glue that's gonna bring all this together!

It's pretty simple. If the Oilers were a good team, he'd consider them regardless if Klowe and Gretzky are hanging out having drinks in a box.

That's a pretty big "if" considering the last 20 years.

Yes it is. Doesn't mean it can't happen regardless if Gretzky is in town his 5 times a year or Klowe happens to be in the lunch room the same time as Holland.

Fans are welcome to stick their head in the sands all they want about the cancerous influence of the Old Boys. It's totally up to you if you want to naively believe that Kevin Lowe is now doing some business role he's completely unqualified instead of a hockey operations role that he's equally unqualified for.

These guys are in on the decisions about who to hire for management roles, they're in the room when big decisions are being made about the team, and they have the ear of the owner if things aren't going how they want them to, but sure...they're just "watching a few games" and "sharing a lunch room."

The culture of protecting Lowe and a few close friends over any other team priority has absolutely poisoned team culture and I think it still has a malignant effect on the organization. I don't believe the Oilers were fixed by firing Chiarelli and hiring Holland, and I don't expect any quantum leap forward this year. Without that, how are you going to convince star free agents that this is the best place to land? How are you going to convince your current stars that there's a light at the end of this deep, dark tunnel?

I am not sticking my head in the sand Adam. Please do not decide you know exactly how I think. You don't know me what so ever. Am I happy at what has happened, no, I am not happy at all. It's frustrating as hell. But it's a freaking pro sports team, it's not life or death here. It's not personal. The team hasn't wronged any of us or me. They didn't sleep with my wife for god sake. It's entertainment. If the Oilers don't win a game as much as I want them to win them all, no one gets hurt or dies in my life. When the day comes that I am as miserable and negative over a freaking sports team, is the day I step away.

Serious question and this is in no way me trying to be a jerk. If you have no confidence what so ever that the team, the owner, the organization or whoever else will ever get better, why bother watching them or coming here to comment on them? Everyone is entitled to an opinion but if all you expect is the worst, then why bother. If it was me, I would just walk away and save myself the frustration.

I saw a speaker at a conference recently who talked about Epic Stories. The idea is that most epic stories have a formula. Hero/underdog (Frodo, Harry Potter, Luke Skywalker), trusted companions (Sam/the ginger kid/Han solo), a mentor figure (Gandalf, dumbledore, obiwan), a nemesis (Sauron/Voldemort/darth Vader) and some sort of quest. Naturally this translates into sports very well. The players are the heroes, opposing teams are the enemy, the coach is the mentor and the quest is for the cup. We, the fans, are a part of the story because we are the trusted companions. The guy’s name was Steve Donahue. It was a decent presentation.

In the case of Oiler fans, our hero is closer to the Black Knight from Monty Python. Incapable and unaware of his own incompetence. The nemesis owns the organization and his evil henchmen are its managers. We can’t find a mentor with an idea better than getting rid of donuts and the quest is so far out of reach that we can’t talk about it with a straight face. But trusted companions don’t abandon the hero. They just develop a fatalistic and deeply sarcastic attitude and comment on web forums.

I stopped buying tickets and merchandise too. I'm contributing!

I have been buying mini packs of tickets for a very long time. My advance window was today. I used to get them with some other guys. The one guy I went with last year didn't want to buy so I bought 2 tickets for a 4 game pack for my family. My wife will take each one of our boys to a game, I will take each one of our boys to a game. She's excited, my boys are excited, I am excited. I don't think that makes me a bad person because I buy tickets which in turn support the Oilers. We want them to win all the games we go too but we get enjoyment out of going no matter what which is the main point.

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