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Re: Oilers qualify 2 players [message #739450 is a reply to message #739443 ]	Wed, 26 June 2019 12:49

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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 26 June 2019 11:03

Adam wrote on Wed, 26 June 2019 10:45

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 26 June 2019 08:27

I think the difference between Rattie and Russel is Russel in a pinch can fill a 4th line role. He's decent defensively, can be on your PK, can forecheck a bit, and not kill you when he is on the ice. He won't score squat but for a couple of games, you can survive with him. Rattie is not good defensively, he can't be on your PK and doesn't bring much if he doesn't score which he doesn't do at the NHL level.

I don't really think that's true. There's not a lot to show that Rattie's much worse defensively than Russell, and Rattie's more of a threat to score. There's a reason one guy was in the AHL last year and one was in the NHL.

I'm not losing any sleep over Ty Rattie, but he's a better player than Patrick Russell - full-stop.

Russell has now played 6 NHL games at age 26, posting a solid 0-0-0 stats line. Given his age, he's not even a tweener - he's an AHLer.

I am not advocating for Russell what so ever. He in my opinion he is a decent AHLer who in a pinch could come up to the NHL play a few games, he won't produce squat but he won't kill you. You can say there is a better chance of Rattie scoring, I can buy that but at the same time it doesn't mean much if he doesn't produce.

In my opinion, Rattie didn't stick in St. Louis and in 2 years, he didn't stick with the Oilers. Time to move on. What I don't buy is anyone arguing he didn't get a chance. When you are a tweener NHLer like he is, you have to make your opportunities. He had a shot to play with McDavid because in a very brief stint, he did OK with him. He got hurt. But that's not an excuse. This team wasn't blessed with a huge amount of wingers. They were desperate for someone to step up. He didn't do that. He came back from his injury, got introduced in lower lines and didn't do anything. All you have to do and I mentioned it is look at Chiasson. Chiasson wasn't even in the starting line up for the first few games. He got put in and he made an impact with the ice time he got. Then he continued to play well and forced the coach to notice him and ultimately elevate him. Rattie never did that and given the lack of wing depth, it wouldn't have taken much for him to get noticed and moved up. Time to try someone else.

I think the coach made a huge difference here. He was in tough as soon as McLellan left and Hitchcock took over. He never really got a fresh start with Hitch (who is still advising Oilers decisions apparently).

I do wonder how different things would be if he didn't get hurt early. Apparently he trained hard last summer realizing his opportunity. And pre-season he looked great. But then the injury happening and he never really was a lock on that line again, simply one of the many rotating guys throughout the year.

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Oilers qualify 2 players	By: RDOilerfan on Tue, 25 June 2019 13:33
Re: Oilers qualify 2 players	By: Adam on Tue, 25 June 2019 13:38
Re: Oilers qualify 2 players	By: RDOilerfan on Tue, 25 June 2019 13:43
Re: Oilers qualify 2 players	By: Adam on Tue, 25 June 2019 14:20
Re: Oilers qualify 2 players	By: Kr55 on Tue, 25 June 2019 16:26
Re: Oilers qualify 2 players	By: Adam on Tue, 25 June 2019 16:34
Re: Oilers qualify 2 players	By: welcometotheOC on Tue, 25 June 2019 20:19
Re: Oilers qualify 2 players	By: bigEfromGP on Wed, 26 June 2019 12:44
Re: Oilers qualify 2 players	By: Adam on Wed, 26 June 2019 12:57
Re: Oilers qualify 2 players	By: stemhovlichski on Wed, 26 June 2019 23:17
Re: Oilers qualify 2 players	By: jds308 on Tue, 25 June 2019 13:44
Re: Oilers qualify 2 players	By: RDOilerfan on Tue, 25 June 2019 13:49
Re: Oilers qualify 2 players	By: jds308 on Tue, 25 June 2019 15:25
Re: Oilers qualify 2 players	By: mightyreasoner on Tue, 25 June 2019 17:11
Re: Oilers qualify 2 players	By: Skookum Jim on Tue, 25 June 2019 18:50
Re: Oilers qualify 2 players	By: RDOilerfan on Wed, 26 June 2019 08:27
Re: Oilers qualify 2 players	By: Adam on Wed, 26 June 2019 10:45
Re: Oilers qualify 2 players	By: RDOilerfan on Wed, 26 June 2019 11:03
Re: Oilers qualify 2 players	By: mightyreasoner on Wed, 26 June 2019 12:49
Re: Oilers qualify 2 players	By: RDOilerfan on Wed, 26 June 2019 08:24
Re: Oilers qualify 2 players	By: g2k on Wed, 26 June 2019 12:54
Re: Oilers qualify 2 players	By: Skookum Jim on Wed, 26 June 2019 13:58
Re: Oilers qualify 2 players	By: Kr55 on Wed, 26 June 2019 14:12
Re: Oilers qualify 2 players	By: Skookum Jim on Wed, 26 June 2019 14:15
Re: Oilers qualify 2 players	By: CrusaderPi on Wed, 26 June 2019 14:43
Re: Oilers qualify 2 players	By: Adam on Wed, 26 June 2019 19:11
Re: Oilers qualify 2 players	By: Skookum Jim on Wed, 26 June 2019 19:35
Re: Oilers qualify 2 players	By: WhoreableGuy on Thu, 27 June 2019 07:27
Re: Oilers qualify 2 players	By: steve.kreys on Fri, 28 June 2019 10:02

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