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Re: Puljujarvi wants out. [message #739185 is a reply to message #739181 ]	Fri, 21 June 2019 16:28

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Adam wrote on Fri, 21 June 2019 15:58

RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 21 June 2019 08:52

What I find a little baffling when it comes to JP is what seems to be these delusional ideas on his value and what to do with him. Here is what has happened to date that is true. This doesn't take away from the fact that the Oilers didn't develop him properly.
- He's played 3 years of pro hockey and is not a full time NHLer. I am not even talking top 6, I am talking top 12. He's not even a legit 4th liner right now.
- He's told the Oilers he will not play for them no matter what. So whether the Oilers hold on to him or not, he's not helping them what so ever this coming season or seasons to come.
- He was drafted 4th overall but at this point, that doesn't matter. The chances of him ever living up to that are slim. I read on Oilersnation reports from scouts from other teams who aren't sure he is even an NHLer but the high end is a 3rd liner. Maybe he can beat the odds but it sure looks like he was taken way too high regardless of how he was handled.

So apparently the ask is a second round pick. I listened to Rishaug and Nielsen talk about it and they basically said if that is what they can get, it would be better to hold on to him, let him go to Europe and is value will go up by moving and playing well. Here is my question. What if he doesn't play well? No one seems to talk about that. To date he's shown that he is not ready for the NHL at all and he's not a dominate player in the AHL. He's just OK in the AHL. So there is no guarantee he will go over to Europe and light it up. If he goes over the Europe and has a bad year or even just an OK year, his value will get even worse because a lot of European leagues are at best even with the AHL, many are below the AHL. With a second round pick, you can trade for REAL NHLers. With a second round pick, you can put that with something to get rid of a player.

So they need to be careful with this Europe thing because there is no guarantees he will be good over there either.

Selling low again and again and again is not a path to success. Being an Oilers fan over the last several years really should have taught you that.

A second round pick is a far from certain to be an NHL player - Puljujarvi has played in 139 NHL games, and while there's a good argument to be made that the number shouldn't be as high, it's not insignificant. The chances of a 2nd rounder getting to that many games, especially a second rounder picked by the Edmonton Oilers, is not great odds, so you're better off hoping he rebounds. If he doesn't and we never get a second rounder for him and he stays in Europe for the rest of time, then it's not much worse than many a second round pick.

Also, as you've said many times, the organization has badly, badly mishandled Puljujarvi's development. There's a good chance that anyone else who has him next, including Jokerit, will do much better with the player than we have to date, which means more confidence and a chance of rebounding. He could fade in to obscurity, but there's a chance, simply by NOT mishandling him, that you actually see improvement.

Finally, if you always give in any time you're given the slightest pressure and sell for the lowest possible amount, then you're showing future malcontents that all you need to do is put a tiny bit of pressure on the Oilers and they'll fold like a lawn chair. Taking a tough stance that we're not doing a deal unless it's a good deal for us is the smart, prudent course of action.

As an aside - in the Kevin Lowe era, the Oilers have had 21 second round picks (we've traded our 2nd rounder off a lot of times actually). Here's the guys who've played more than Puljujarvi (139 games, 37 points):

Jarret Stoll - 2001 - 872 games - 388 points
Greene - 2001 - 615 games - 80 points
Colin McDonald - 2002 - 148 games - 46 points
JF Jacques - 2002 - 166 games - 17 points
Taylor Chorney - 2005 - 166 games - 22 points
Jeff Petry - 2006 - 609 games - 155 points
Anton Lander - 2009 - 215 games - 35 points
Tyler Pitlick - 2010 - 185 games - 53 points
Martin Marincin - 2010 - 201 games - 30 points

Not many who are noticeably better than the player we have, although it's always interesting to see the narrative around different players in Edmonton. Pitlick was Oilers property for seven years, played only 58 games and scored just 14 points for the organization and there was lots of criticism of allowing him to leave - more so than you'll see around Puljujarvi who's much younger, has a much higher ceiling and has shown the organization a lot more in a much shorter timeframe...

What's JP worth then?
He was taken 4th overall. It's obvious that regardless of how he was developed, the Oilers scouts and many other scouts from other teams made a mistake in ranking him as high as he was. When you are drafted in the top 5, you should be a star player. Surely to god, you can't think he would be a star player even if the Oilers developed him perfectly. It's not there man. You are never getting a 4th overall pick for him EVER. It's gone.

So what's he worth?

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Re: Puljujarvi wants out.	By: RDOilerfan on Fri, 21 June 2019 08:52
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Re: Puljujarvi wants out.	By: Adam on Fri, 21 June 2019 15:58
Re: Puljujarvi wants out.	By: RDOilerfan on Fri, 21 June 2019 16:28
Re: Puljujarvi wants out.	By: Adam on Fri, 21 June 2019 16:58
Re: Puljujarvi wants out.	By: mightyreasoner on Fri, 21 June 2019 17:27
Re: Puljujarvi wants out.	By: Adam on Fri, 21 June 2019 19:14
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