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 Adam
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| nullterm wrote on Sun, 16 January 2022 17:17 |
Looking at this thread in hindsight...
Kenny hasn't done anything to sewer the team like the Lucic contract, but he also hasn't done anything to big improve the team either.
Just a few small improvements which haven't done enough. It's like I postulated the day he was hired, just going into semi retirement, not exactly rolling up his sleeves and picking up a shovel.
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I think that's generous. Is there much on the team that's better because of Holland? I'll give him Zack Hyman, and I'll give him Tyson Barrie last year, but otherwise his moves have been mostly flubs.
His record on trades isn't long so it's pretty easy to go through:
- Lucic & 3rd for Neal - At the time, I was pretty excited abour this and it looked pretty good in the first year after the deal, but since then that's been squandered. Lucic is a contributor (although not worth his contract) in Calgary. The Oilers are now paying Neal $1.9MM and Lucic another $750K per season NOT to play here. Oh, and the Flames got an extra pick for good measure.
- John Marino for a 6th round pick. Clear loss here - the guy we drafted doesn't look like he has a hope of making the show (7 pts in 27 USHL games this year as a winger), and Marino's become a good contributor for the Penguins. I'll give Holland the benefit of the doubt here because Marino was going to be lost for nothing if not signed or traded...although clearly we should have signed him.
- Kyle Brodziak & a 4th for Mike Green - Basically ended up a free 4th rounder for Detroit after Green quit.
- Sam Gagner & two 2nd round picks for Andreas Athanasiou and a body. The Oilers made a bunch of noise at the trade deadline about how Holland hates rentals, and then they made a fuss over the fact he didn't get just a rental but rather a player we could keep here long-term since he was only an RFA-to-be...and then 13 games later we didn't qualify him and he left for nothing. It scares me a little that Holland is saying the same thing again this year.
- 5th round pick for Tyler Ennis. This is a decent pick-up by Holland. His first win on this list.
- Joel Persson for Angus Redmond. Who cares.
- 2020 3rd round pick (Danill Gushchin) for a 4th (Carter Savoie) and a 5th (Tyler Tullio) in the same draft. We will see on this one.
- Caleb Jones and a 2nd or 3rd round pick for Duncan Keith and a body. "What did you want me to get him for free?" Still one of the stupidest moves I've seen.
- Dylan Wells for nothing. No one cares.
- 2021 1st round pick (Jesper Wallstedt) for 1st round pick (Xavier Bourgault) and 3rd round pick (Luca Munzenberger) - again, wait and see, although man, it would be nice to have a top flight goalie prospect. I think this one will come back to haunt us.
- Ethan Bear for Warren Foegele - I'm on record saying this is a massive error. I know the Edmonton media guys are excited and feel vindicated because Ethan Bear got healthy scratched last night, but Foegele's been a little disappointing here and even if he wasn't - a decent RH defenceman is worth more than a third line winger straight up.
That's it, that's the lot of them. His only win in a trade was the Ennis deal, and Ennis got hurt in his first go-around, and then was out of favour with the coach last year.
Signings aren't a lot better. He's given some horrendous deals out - overpaying guys like Kassian on money and giving term to everyone to the point where you wonder if it's just trying to save himself time in the following summers. That all of Shore, Koekkoek and Mike Smith came out of last summer with two year deals is unbelievable. Barrie and Ceci are here for the long-term.
By the numbers, the depth on the team is worse than it was under Chiarelli - and it was terrible under Chiarelli. The goaltending, unbelievably, hasn't changed in the three years he's been here (he signed Smith soon after arriving). The defence is older and MUCH more expensive, but I haven't seen a lot to suggest they're better. The only are that's really seem improvement is McDavid and Draisaitl, and that's just development curve of superstars - not anything Holland's done.
I think Holland is less bad than Chiarelli, simply because he hasn't made the same magnitude of mistake yet (although the Wallstedt thing has potential). But that ain't high praise and we really needed to see the team grow in these years so we can get to a championship with McDavid and Draisaitl...
"Thinking that a bad team's best players are the reason the team is bad is the "Tambellini re-signing Lennart Petrell" of sports opinions." @Woodguy55
#FireLowe #FireBobbyNicks #FireKenHolland #FireKeithGretzky
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