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Re: Pregame: Vancouver @ Edmonton (Game #67) [message #732562 is a reply to message #732561 ]	Thu, 07 March 2019 18:52

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Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 07 March 2019 19:47

PlusOne wrote on Thu, 07 March 2019 19:28

Adam wrote on Thu, 07 March 2019 18:45

Just including this advanced stats snapshot to upset people...

Matt Benning - decent NHL defenceman apparently...

I took out the image for space....

Can someone explain GAR to me? I have never looked into it much and cant say I understand how it is a measure of how good a player is.

This is what I used to wrap my head around it;

Goals Above Replacement (GAR), which has been used in baseball in various forms, usually called Wins Above Replacement (WAR) for about a decade. It is just now making it’s way to the public sphere of hockey analytics, thanks to Dawson Sprigings (@DTMAboutHeart).

In concept, GAR is a one size fits all number that encapsulates how valuable an individual player is in terms of on-ice play, relative to a ‘replacement level’ player. A replacement level player is a player of a caliber such that they are readily available and can be acquired and played at a moment’s notice. Think along the lines of the players who shuttle waivers every year, or are your emergency callups from the AHL. A replacement level player is one of those. An example would be a player like Byron Froese - a good player in the AHL who becomes very limited at the NHL level.

The first, and most obvious question is, how is GAR calculated? For the full details, I would refer you to Sprigings’ write-up on this. He covers it well, and in non-technical fashion, so I highly recommend you read that first. This piece will not include the mathematical details.

The short version is that player value is decomposed into six categories: even strength offense, even strength defence, power play offense, penalty drawing, penalty taking, and faceoffs. Value is calculated in each of these categories, usually by a regression-based technique, and summed up for each player. The drivers of value change depending on the category. Within even strength offense, the important drivers of value are scoring and shot generation (accounting for shot quality, competition, and teammates). For even strength defense, it’s all about shot suppression, again, accounting for shot quality, competition and teammates. Power play offense is largely about power play production, and the remaining three have obvious drivers.

These are all summed up to get a total value for the player.

https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/platform/amp/2017/6/16/15 774850/advanced-stats-102-what-is-gar-dawson-sprigings-nhl

So in this specific example (or all GAR replrts), Benning and all the rest are being given a value based on a comparison to a hypothetical, pre determined "replacement" player?

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Pregame: Vancouver @ Edmonton (Game #67)	By: OilFans on Thu, 07 March 2019 03:00
Re: Pregame: Vancouver @ Edmonton (Game #67)	By: Oscargasm on Thu, 07 March 2019 07:42
Re: Pregame: Vancouver @ Edmonton (Game #67)	By: Babaganoosh2.0 on Thu, 07 March 2019 07:48
Re: Pregame: Vancouver @ Edmonton (Game #67)	By: Rocksteady on Thu, 07 March 2019 09:12
Re: Pregame: Vancouver @ Edmonton (Game #67)	By: Oscargasm on Thu, 07 March 2019 09:18
Re: Pregame: Vancouver @ Edmonton (Game #67)	By: Skookum Jim on Thu, 07 March 2019 10:31
Re: Pregame: Vancouver @ Edmonton (Game #67)	By: CrusaderPi on Thu, 07 March 2019 11:04
Re: Pregame: Vancouver @ Edmonton (Game #67)	By: Adam on Thu, 07 March 2019 11:30
Re: Pregame: Vancouver @ Edmonton (Game #67)	By: CrusaderPi on Thu, 07 March 2019 11:33
Re: Pregame: Vancouver @ Edmonton (Game #67)	By: Oscargasm on Thu, 07 March 2019 12:12
Re: Pregame: Vancouver @ Edmonton (Game #67)	By: g2k on Thu, 07 March 2019 18:16
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Re: Pregame: Vancouver @ Edmonton (Game #67)	By: PlusOne on Thu, 07 March 2019 15:45
Re: Pregame: Vancouver @ Edmonton (Game #67)	By: Skookum Jim on Thu, 07 March 2019 16:02
Re: Pregame: Vancouver @ Edmonton (Game #67)	By: Oscargasm on Thu, 07 March 2019 17:22
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Re: Pregame: Vancouver @ Edmonton (Game #67)	By: Kr55 on Thu, 07 March 2019 08:09
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Re: Pregame: Vancouver @ Edmonton (Game #67)	By: Oscargasm on Thu, 07 March 2019 08:31
Re: Pregame: Vancouver @ Edmonton (Game #67)	By: Oscargasm on Thu, 07 March 2019 08:28
Re: Pregame: Vancouver @ Edmonton (Game #67)	By: Adam on Thu, 07 March 2019 10:14
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Re: Pregame: Vancouver @ Edmonton (Game #67)	By: PlusOne on Thu, 07 March 2019 18:28
Re: Pregame: Vancouver @ Edmonton (Game #67)	By: Oscargasm on Thu, 07 March 2019 18:47
Re: Pregame: Vancouver @ Edmonton (Game #67)	By: PlusOne on Thu, 07 March 2019 18:52

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