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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Buffalo (Game #66) [message #732360 is a reply to message #732355 ]	Tue, 05 March 2019 11:32

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I didn't like the defensive shell the team decided to go into in the 3rd but I give them credit for battling back and winning this one. This is a game they had to have to keep their faint playoff hopes alive.

When McDavid hit that post on the empty net, I thought for sure the Sabres would tie it up.

Short stint but ever since Talbot was traded, Koskinen has looked really good except for the Leafs game. I think he is over .920 since the trade. I hope this is a trend of what is to come and make that early signing look like a good one. I would keep playing him a lot.

Leon scored another goal and made another ridiculous pass to set up the game tying goal. Second in the league in goals scored, good chance he will score 50 goals this season. Tied for 5th overall in points with some guy called Sidney Crosby and probably gets 100 points. Man that guy is "overpaid" and lazy. icon_rolleyes

Drai on pace for 50G, 50A too. When was the last time someone got 50 of each? I don't recall it happening in the last 5 years or so. Maybe Malkin 6-7 years ago? I think he had 50G 50+ A at one point...maybe 2011? Too lazy to look it up right now.

I am a big fan of Leon and while I always want ALL players to make less, I never understood the crap this guy takes at times. He still does. Then I look at who's been signed since him. Eichel 10 mill who is not 1.5 mill better and won't outscore Leon. Matthews is 11.634 next year. I have a hard time believing that Matthews is over 3 mill better and I am not convinced he will outscore Leon. Tkachuk for the Flames is coming up who's a very good player. I'd have him on my team. He might not get quite as much as Leon but I bet it's in the ball park. I wouldn't be surprised to see Tkachuk making no more than 1 mill less than Leon and Leon is superior to Tkachuk.

I don't think you understand the salary criticisms - those weren't slams on Draisaitl. He needs to take care of himself, and so I believe anyone should try to maximize their earnings. His agent did a good job getting him that deal, and Draisaitl's done a good job living up to it so far.

The criticism is at Chiarelli for signing that deal when he had opportunities to do it cheaper. He could have got Draisaitl under an extension any time in the full year before he actually signed a deal. He could have done the Draisaitl deal first - before McDavid and certainly before bad overpays on Russell and Gryba. He instead waited until the summer and let the agent stoke fears of an offer sheet that wasn't ever likely to happen, and then he paid through the nose.

Yes, the guys signed after him are getting big deals - that's part of the way the system works in the NHL. They base comp on comparables, and Draisaitl getting an extra million bucks a year has an inflationary impact on the Eichel and Matthews deals among others.

I'm thrilled Leon is putting up the numbers. I've been on record many times saying that people's impressions of him as lazy have more to do with his long, efficient strides than they do with any reality. But the Oilers could have saved a million dollars a year over the life of that contract, and for a cap-strapped team, that's significant.

I'm not giving him back, I'm not trading him away. Unlike many Chia-blunders, the Draisaitl deal is one you can live with. But it doesn't mean that Chiarelli didn't blow it, even so.

I believe what it comes down to is I think differently when it comes Leon's salary. I have said many, many times, I wish EVERY player was paid less. I wish Leon made less, I wish McDavid made less, I wish Nuge made less. Point out any player on the Oilers roster except those making league minimum and I wish they made less money. If McDavid makes 10.5 mill instead of 12.5, that's 2 mill extra, that's 1 or 2 players. Same goes for Nuge, Leon, whoever you want to pick. But when someone says "Leon is overpaid" he's not in my opinion. I say this because I look at what he does for this team, how many points he's put up and what OTHER players similar in age and ability are signing for and just about every one is signing for significantly more than what Leon did. Then I go further and say, if the Leon was due for a contract this coming season, could the Oilers realistically sign Leon to even the 8.5 he's making right now? Considering Eichel signed for 10 and hasn't put up as good of numbers. considering Matthews is going to make 11.634 mill and Leon will out score him. I know Matthew missed a bunch of games but I have my doubts he hits 50 goals or 100 pts that Leon will most likely hit. Marner is due for a contract and is probably going to get close to Matthews money because he scores more and might be a better player. Regardless, not a chance in hell he's getting 8.5 mill. Leon will out score Marner most likely. Laine is having a down year. What are the chances he gets only 8.5 mill or less? I'd say zero. I like Laine a lot, no chance I trade him for Leon straight up.

So I get it and where you are coming from. Did Chia play top dollar for Leon? Absolutely. Would it be beneficial for the team if he made say 1 mill yes? Absolutely. But like I said, that can be said about McDavid too. But there is no chance in hell Leon and McDavid didn't talk contract to some degree or at least their agents didn't talk money before either of them signed. I am sure Leon's agent had a real good idea how much McDavid was going to get. Leon makes 4 mill LESS than McDavid which is a lot especially given that Leon has turned it up a notch and is proving he's not that far behind McDavid. He's behind McDavid but not 4 mill behind. So to ask Leon to widen the gap even more between he and McDavid, I don't think is realistic. I also think that in order to get the amount of years the Oilers got at that price point, they had to pay a little more. Every year that goes by and the cap goes up, Leon's deal gets better and better. So like I said, while I agree that I wish all Oilers made less, I do not think Leon is overpaid because to replace him with the same player now, will cost you more money based on the market. The Oilers just beat the cheapest, some what close comparable in Eichel and he makes 10 mill. The other guys make more.

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