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Mike Messages: 1070
Registered: August 2005
Location: Moncton, New Brunswick
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Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 02 November 2021 16:18 | Mike Bossy.. until his lower back was destroyed from all the lumber he took in front of the net.
Forced to retire at AGE 30 due to the debilitating pain from his back. You can see the drop off in 1987 before he retired the next season, still managed 38 goals in 63 games.
His goals per game while healthy(1st nine years) was 0.776 gpg , and 0.762 gpg for the career.
Nine consecutive 50+ goal seasons (NHL record) starting from his draft year as a rookie.
Ovie is 0.613 career so far, with only 166 more goals, while playing an extra 7 seasons and 454 games.
Plus Bossy was a playmaker as well, had almost as many assists as goals, 0.735 assists per game. Ovie is more uni-dimensional his assists are only 0.494 per game.
So I'm picking Bossy!
1977-78 New York Islanders NHL 73 53 38 91
1978-79 New York Islanders NHL 80 69 57 126
1979-80 New York Islanders NHL 75 51 41 92
1980-81 New York Islanders NHL 79 68 51 119
1981-82 New York Islanders NHL 80 64 83 147
1982-83 New York Islanders NHL 79 60 58 118
1983-84 New York Islanders NHL 67 51 67 118
1984-85 New York Islanders NHL 76 58 59 117
1985-86 New York Islanders NHL 80 61 62 123
1986-87 New York Islanders NHL 63 38 37 75
NHL Totals
Games 752 Goals 573 Assists 553 Pts 1126
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That’s always the debate. Health is part of the equation. Maybe Lemieux beats some of Gretzky’s totals if he’s healthy, maybe Ovi would be closer if not for lockouts and shortened seasons. Ultimately if he breaks the record he’s the greatest goal scorer of all time, if he doesn’t, it’s still Gretzky.
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Ya, I think Gretzky is penalized sometimes in these debates because he wasn't just overpowering goalies with his shot or anything, but the numbers for Gretzky are mind-boggling.
To try and compare somewhat apples to apples, Gretzky's gpg in the first 9 years of his career was 0.838. If you take each player's best 5 year stretch, Bossy's is from 1979-80 to 1982-83, and he scored 312 goals. Gretzky's best 5 year stretch is from 1980-81 to 1984-85 and he scored 378 goals (basically a full season's worth of goals more than Bossy).
In the 8 years where they were both in the NHL, Bossy only topped Gretzky in goals twice (in 80/81 and 85/86), they tied once (79/80) and Gretzky scored more 5 times.
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Yeah, the Bossy as the best goal scorer ever thing always makes my chuckle. Best shot of all time? Sure, whatever, maybe. OV probably gets that title from me, but it is somewhat subjective, so whatever.
But Bossy as the best goal scorer of all time? Like you point out, people like to point to his goals per game compared to Gretzky, ignoring that with the same number of games played Gretzky was miles ahead, never mind the fact 99 had 4 seasons with more goals than Bossy ever got.
No - Bossy who played in pretty much the same era as Gretzky is not the best goal scorer of all time. He’s definitely top 10, very likely top 5, but the title of best ever is still Gretzky’s for now, but OV’s consistency and longevity in a much tougher era will likely see him regarded as the best once he’s done.
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