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 Adam
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Registered: August 2005
Location: Edmonton, AB
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| Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 06 March 2019 14:30 |
| Adam wrote on Wed, 06 March 2019 15:15 |
| RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 06 March 2019 13:58 |
| Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 06 March 2019 11:55 |
| RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 06 March 2019 12:36 |
There is a TON of talk from the fans about the Oilers not hiring another old Oiler or anyone with any kind of ties to any old Oiler. Ex. Keith Gretzky because of his last name. There is also a lot of talk about any old Hockey Canada guys, guys who Nicholson would know. So that would eliminate a lot of guys.
But here is a question.
IF all of that is true, why would anyone accept Yzerman in some capacity? I think adding him to the organization in some capacity is most of everyone's dream but he is a big time Hockey Canada guy so he'd be a Nicholson guy. So why would that be acceptable?
I am just curious what are people's limits as to what is acceptable when it comes to involvement with either old Oilers or Hockey Canada guys. I am not advocating for Gretzky or anyone, I am just curious how far it would go for people? Nicholson being the main guy for Hockey Canada all those years would have worked with or have relationships with A LOT of people in the NHL.
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Is say it would acceptable bc of what he did with Tampa. Now, how much of that was Yzerman and how much was Florida’s tax breaks, I don’t know. But the drafting and development record of his time there is pretty good. And he made trades that bettered his team, not worsened or kept it status quo. His body of work with Tampa is what would make him an acceptable hire imo.
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I agree with you. It would be a dream scenario. I don't actually think it would happen. I just wonder because I see and hear a lot about how in a lot of fans minds, the guy can't have any ties to any old Oilers and there is lost of hate towards anyone with Hockey Canada. So I was just curious how far it goes.
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The thing with Yzerman in Tampa is that he was surrounded by non-hockey players who helped on any number of different fronts. It's not clear whether that was set up by Yzerman, or by ownership. I do wonder if he felt constrained there to a point because he rather abruptly left Tampa, and the team didn't miss a beat.
I really worry here that he'd just be one more voice in that echo chamber with no viewpoints other than a bunch of old players who have no clue about anything to do with numbers.
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But Chiarelli wasn’t a player (in the NHL anyway). So they’ve tried the player route (Lowe, Tambellini, MacT) and the non-player route (Chiarelli), yet the echo chamber, as you put it, is ripe with former players. I’d argue that MacT learned about numbers through his EMBA and Lowe at least knows how to count to 6, if that was ever a concern.
So really, what I’m getting at is, will it really matter who they bring in? Former player or not. Unless this guy gets the current state of the NHL and has a pulse on the direction it’s heading. But even if he does, will he TRULY have full autonomy?
THAT. To me, is the problem. It won’t matter who they hire. Bc the rot is still here. You can’t just replace drywall and expect all your problems to disappear when the studs are still rotten. ...ew, I just referred to the OBC as studs.
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Oh yeah, I'm totally on board with that. Those idiots aren't going to stay uninvolved. They're always going to be sharing their opinion - possibly first with the decision maker, possibly with the owner, but either way, just totally poisoning the well. They want to be the Wizard of Oz, pulling the levers behind the curtains. And they just want the GM to be the guy they can throw down to the villagers with the pitchforks whenever they come calling.
Lowe and friends all envision themselves heading out on to the ice to take their turn lifting a Stanley Cup again, and letting it be known far and wide that they played a real role in getting the team there.
I think if you hire someone competent, they have a fraction of a chance though of making a positive difference. I think if you hire another hockey player with a GED and maybe even an E-MBA, then we're going to flop face first again immediately.
For what it's worth, I hope that the rumblings about McDavid being unhappy about all the losing are true. I see his agent approaching Katz directly as one of the only chances this team has to regain respectability. Somehow, I don't think Nicholson asking for tips from other GMs is a path to the Stanley Cup...
"Thinking that a bad team's best players are the reason the team is bad is the "Tambellini re-signing Lennart Petrell" of sports opinions." @Woodguy55
#FireLowe #FireBobbyNicks #FireKenHolland #FireKeithGretzky
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