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 Adam
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| smyth260 wrote on Wed, 23 January 2019 10:20 |
Nicholson conference summary:
- No deadline to find a new GM...no rush. Uh oh.
- Nicholson oversees hockey ops, Gretzky oversees GM duties.
- Believes they can make the playoffs, won't give away future unless it's a good fit.
- It was decided before the game to fire Chiarelli. Officially fired in 2nd period? Didn't catch that.
- Says Chia did not make the Koskinen deal by himself.
- Onus is on the players to get consistent and play like they can to make the playoffs.
- Too early to say if more changes in hockey ops are coming.
- Praises Keith Gretzky's work in the draft.
- When asked about problems running deeper than GM and coach, he says constant change wasn't good.
- When asked about OBC involvement, says it's not true at all. Says Kevin Lowe is not in hockey ops decisions.
- Says he thinks we bring up young players too early.
- Says we aren't in a rebuild. Solution is in the dressing room.
- Reaffirms that Hitchcock is just head coach for rest of year.
I'm so insulted that he flat out says the OBC is not involved. Meanwhile Keegan Lowe is captain of the Condors, Paul Coffey got hired as skills coach, and MacTavish is literally listed in management on their website.
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Calm enough to actually post about this now...
- did they seriously fire Chiarelli mid-game? Why? You have all day to do it, why the hell would you wait until the middle of the game? Why can’t this team even fire people properly? They’re always making them write essays or firing them over Skype or axing them in the owners box at a commercial break...
- you’ll note that Kevin Lowe is not in hockey ops DECISIONS. He is in all the meetings, he provides plenty of guidance as to what he would do, sometimes he even threatens to tell Daryl if we don’t do what he suggests, but he is not making the hockey Ops decisions.
- something in the water, eh? Any chance that Lowe, MacT and the Gretzky boys were frolicking in the fountains over at Kingsway today?
- As always, the team passes the blame. Mostly to players. It’s amazing to me that the organization can once again simultaneously fire a guy, while criticizing only results, not the decisions that got them there. We’ve seen that again and again with the Oilers. It’s probably necessary to shield themselves because they’ve been so open for a while now that Chia wasn’t making decisions on his own, but it shows a fundamentally flawed approach if they don’t realize that those decisions are what leads us to the disastrous results. It’s not like it’s hard to read the tea leaves either. I’ve been pretty accurately predicting Oilers results for years now because you watch them blunder through everything, blowing trades and signings, failing to provide any support to players past and present, squandering assets by having a development program that consists simply of putting youngsters in the lineup and expecting them to succeed, acting as if they know better than everyone else while acting contrary to how successful teams are and then being completely shocked when they fail again and again, talking about culture without ever understanding what it is or how it comes to be...and it’s not like I’m unique as an Oilers Nostradamus. There are so many people who see it constantly and say it. I suspect many that don’t simply are in constant state of denial because they want this team to be worthy of their fan support and it always, always leaves them wanting.
Chiarelli got fired because he made terrible trades and signings that have cost us the playoffs in two of the last three years and probably this one too. He’s done tremendous damage to the team and he probably even hurt the in chance the Oilers had to make a push back in 2016-17. That should have been the easiest thing for Nicholson to say today, but he very notably did not say it. He said that we’d had injuries and players had under-performed instead. Anyone left wondering why you’d fire a GM for players getting hurt? It’s of course likely that they’re afraid of what Chiarelli says if they bluntly say he screwed up - especially since they’ve been in the room for all those discussions and decisions.
- lots of talk about culture and character - as usual - from Nicholson. It’s a familiar refrain we’ve heard for years from Lowe, Tambellini, MacTavish, Eakins, Chiarelli and now Nicholson. They lack the understanding that you can’t just acquire leadership or character or culture. People can’t be leaders unless others are willing to follow them. This was the Ference mistake. The team acquired him and told him they wanted him to indtill a winning culture like they had in Boston, but you can’t simply see a letter on a guy and expect people to buy into what he’s saying, especially when A) he’s a complete outsider who’s done nothing to win the confidence of the room; and B) when he’s clearly been instilled by a leadership group that’s a total joke and who everyone knows is completely free of accountability themselves.
Read any book about corporate culture. It comes from the top. If the guys at the top are immune from accountability then no one buys in if they’re preaching it for their subordinates. The dressing room is going to mirror the rest of the organization. If the guys at the top are only ever concerned with preserving their jobs and making sure their own hindquarters are covered then that’s going to flow down. If the team won’t protect its players from fan and media criticism and will in fact freely fuel that at times in order to pass the buck, then they shouldn’t be surprised at all when the team is not a cohesive unit. And when the team does things to separate players - like talking about core and non-core players or making the entire marketing focus of the team revolve around a single player (something that Gretzky and Sather went out of their way to work against in the 1980s) they are actively sabotaging their own attempts to build a strong cohesive culture. It’s telling that the only times this team ever has defended any of their players is when there’s been criticism on the acquisition of them (like Lucic and Russell). The team is even right to have defended those players - they are Oilers after all - but when they’re inconsistent and don’t defend anyone else it’s glaring.
The culture of this team sucks because guys like Nicholson and Lowe run it. It won’t get better until they’re gone.
"Thinking that a bad team's best players are the reason the team is bad is the "Tambellini re-signing Lennart Petrell" of sports opinions." @Woodguy55
#FireLowe #FireBobbyNicks #FireKenHolland #FireKeithGretzky
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