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Re: Manning in, Caggiula and Garrison out [message #726856 is a reply to message #726809 ]	Tue, 08 January 2019 21:40

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overdue wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 18:05

I haven't taken a close look at the Sharks record before and after Todd was their coach but am pretty sure they got better after he was replaced. You could make a case for lack of talent and depth on the Oilers but a coach's job is to make the best of what he has and mould a team that can be competitive at the least. Hitchcock has done a much better job of assessing the players and trying to put them in a position to be more successful even though the results have been far from perfect at times. ( losing two important players long term in the same game didn't help ) Not sure where it goes from here but it's a lot better than it was before Mclellan was fired.

You've made me curious:

Under Ron Wilson
2002-03 San Jose Sharks NHL Head‡ 57 19 31 7 0.395 Out of Playoffs
2003-04 San Jose Sharks NHL Head 82 43 21 12 6 0.634 Lost in round 3
2005-06 San Jose Sharks NHL Head 82 44 27 0 11 0.604 Lost in round 2
2006-07 San Jose Sharks NHL Head 82 51 26 0 5 0.652 Lost in round 2
2007-08 San Jose Sharks NHL Head 82 49 23 0 10 0.659 Lost in round 2

Under Todd McLellan
2008-09 San Jose Sharks NHL Head 82 53 18 0 11 0.713 Lost in round 1
2009-10 San Jose Sharks NHL Head 82 51 20 0 11 0.689 Lost in round 3
2010-11 San Jose Sharks NHL Head 82 48 25 0 9 0.640 Lost in round 3
2011-12 San Jose Sharks NHL Head 82 43 29 0 10 0.585 Lost in round 1
2012-13 San Jose Sharks NHL Head 48 25 16 0 7 0.594 Lost in round 2
2013-14 San Jose Sharks NHL Head 82 51 22 0 9 0.677 Lost in round 1
2014-15 San Jose Sharks NHL Head 82 40 33 0 9 0.543 Out of Playoffs

Under Pete DeBoer
2015-16 San Jose Sharks NHL Head 82 46 30 0 6 0.598 Lost in Finals
2016-17 San Jose Sharks NHL Head 82 46 29 0 7 0.604 Lost in round 1
2017-18 San Jose Sharks NHL Head 82 45 27 0 10 0.610 Lost in round 2
2018-19 San Jose Sharks NHL Head 44 24 13 0 7 0.625

So they generally trended up under Wilson, although in part due to the acquisition of Joe Thornton in 2005-06. They kept up for one year under McLellan, then the trend was slightly worse almost every year. He had some pretty fantastic teams there - Thornton, Marleau, pre-decline Dany Heatley, Dan Boyle, Pavelski, eventually Couture and Burns...really good goalie in Nabokov too. DeBoer's team has trended up, despite the fact that team is getting pretty old. There's an argument from these numbers that McLellan is the third best head coach they've had in the last decade and a half. Fourth best if you include that guy behind their bench tonight...

"Thinking that a bad team's best players are the reason the team is bad is the "Tambellini re-signing Lennart Petrell" of sports opinions." @Woodguy55
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