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Re: Manning in, Caggiula and Garrison out [message #726784 is a reply to message #726783 ]	Tue, 08 January 2019 11:29

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smyth260 wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 11:12

Adam wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 09:44

A couple little tidbits from Dustin Neilson:

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This story is actually even more ridiculous than it sounds. I do believe it’s been mentioned that Chiarelli has always had Manning on his radar but how about this little tidbit. I’ve been told by a very reliable source that at one point over the last two years Chiarelli actually had a deal in place to acquire Manning. He was ready to pull the trigger but his coaching staff told him not to do it. I don’t know what that deal was but I find it fascinating he has wanted Manning for so long and was told by his last coaching staff the player wasn’t worth picking up. Looks like they were right.

I also snagged this quote from an NHL Scout shortly after the Manning deal was made. “I have no idea what Peter is hoping to accomplish with Manning. He’s a fringe bottom pairing d-man on his best day.”

So basically, McLellan had said he didn't want the player, so once McLellan was out of the way, Chiarelli went right back to trying to acquire him, despite the fact that the numbers and news on him were all bad. I wonder if the Oilers didn't just look at the McDavid hit, and decide that made him somehow desirable, just because he got in a lucky shot once...

Sigh.

Here's the link to the article quoted:

https://oilersnation.com/2019/01/08/catching-up-brandon-mann ing-alex-petrovic-line-combinations-and-spengler-cup/?utm_so urce=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

McLellan also was reported to have been scratching Bouchard so that management had no choice but to send him back to junior.

A lot of info is coming out post-firing. It seems likely that McLellan is feeding some stories, after all according to Friedman he didn't go quietly. If all this is true though, sure sounds like McLellan was the only one with common sense on a few issues.

I thought there was some disconnect between McLellan and Chiarelli when Ryan Strome was taken off McDavid's wing immediately in preseason.

There did not seem to be consensus between the two, and I do think McLellan is happy to launch grenades from the sidelines. I would guess he's concerned about his own hire-ability after his stint here, and he figures that the worse Chia looks and the more people dismiss the performance due to poor roster construction, the better the chance he actually finds big league work again.

It'll be interesting to see if it works. I expect people can see through the anonymous stories and realize who's feeding them out there, and there were things that McLellan did that aren't desirable in a coach - no matter what the roster looks like. For me, the three worst things were:
1) Poor communication - verified by several former players, he wasn't giving players a lot of feedback.
2) Poor in-game & in-series adjustments - Say what you will about the complete failure of Chiarelli to improve his team going in to the playoffs in 2016-17, but McLellan did not adjust to what Anaheim did, didn't respond to the tactics or games that Carlyle played, and was flat-out out-coached by a guy who isn't known for out-coaching anyone. The Oilers lost to a team that had worse health and lower top end players and who was fairly easily dispatched in the next round. Most of that is on McLellan
3) Failure to adapt his game plan to the team he was presented with. While his roster was not perfect (and arguably got worse every season), McLellan seemed to want to adjust his team to the system and style he wanted to play, rather than adjust the system to the players. That's not a positive aspect of a head coach.
4) Finally, his special teams were awful. The depth of the team was not a strength, but with the powerplay, he was able to put out some of the best players in the league - and he managed to create a man advantage that was sub-par. He didn't make up for that on the PK either. The team bled goals against when short, and generally got stymied when they were up a man. On top of that, he was stubborn when it wasn't working and slow to adjust. I didn't like his habit of using powerplay time as a reward either.

All those things, and if I was running an organization, I sure wouldn't hire him, but we'll see - maybe he can convince a team to take him on nonetheless. If he does get a new gig elsewhere as a NHL head coach, he will be the first Oilers coach since Ron Low to accomplish that...

Whatever the case, I do kind of enjoy seeing these stories show up that illustrate how bad Chiarelli actually is. One hopes that those help to force the team to make a change. I just wish it would happen soon so that Nicholson & Company probably also are forced out at year's end...(I understand, that's probably wishful thinking...)

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