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Re: Manning in, Caggiula and Garrison out [message #726322 is a reply to message #726309 ]	Tue, 01 January 2019 21:33

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shoop wrote on Tue, 01 January 2019 16:41

Adam wrote on Tue, 01 January 2019 00:06

For what it’s worth, the Blackhawks have already waived Garrison and are likely to demote him tomorrow. Worth remembering that Chia thought he was the priority to sign over Chiasson in the Fall....

So the signing of Chiasson is another thing to criticize Chiarelli for? Tending to the irrational with that one. Signing Chiasson is literally the only off-season move Chia made that is beyond question.

Who's criticizing Chiasson. I thought he was the best bet of the camp walk-ons to begin with. I also think he was the Oilers third choice when it came to who they signed. They prioritized signing Garrison over Chiasson, despite the fact that they didn't really need to - both players didn't play in the season opener.

I also believe that the team signalled from day one that they would rather have Upshall - gritty, low offence local kid - than Chiasson, but Upshall's inability to pass his physical knocked him out of the running.

Your defence of Chiarelli at this point seems comical, especially if you believe that the Old Boys still have their tentacles all over this disaster and need to be purged. Even if you believed that they played a big role in all his biggest mistakes (Reinhart, Lucic, so many others to choose from), what would it say if he's a GM who quietly lets those guys run the team in to the ground from the shadows while he takes all the heat?

Chiarelli is terrible at his job. So are Lowe, MacTavish, Howson and the assembled mass of idiots that pass for our management team. It should be galling to any Oilers fan to hear the GM say that you can't get puck moving defencemen mid-season when the Oilers have been notorious for giving them up for peanuts mid-season.

This is the same team that traded Tom Gilbert for Nick Schultz, Jeff Petry for a 3rd and a 4th round pick and Justin Schultz for a third round pick - all in season trades, and all unforced errors. Not all of that is on Chiarelli, but it's a trend with this organization. Remember just last Spring when there were rumours that one of the reasons they didn't shut down Klefbom was that they were trying to trade him!?

Petry is on pace for almost 60 points this season, so it's extra hilarious that MacTavish put him on the Show-Me-As-You-Turn-UFA contract because with Nikitin, Ference, and Fayne in the lineup, how many $4MM price point defenceman can you have?

I'm extra fed up this week with this. It's ridiculous, and the Oilers have set themselves up for huge issues if they have really let Chiarelli know he still has latitude to make the changes he wants, but he's getting fired at season's end if there's no post-season - which they seem to and which he seems to believe.

It's a flat-out recipe for disaster. He gave up one of the few players who might have a modicum of interest around the league in Caggiula - someone who was actually able to put up a few goals even in Edmonton! - and a third round pick for A) a 3 month rental and B) a player who is disliked by his team and fans, who is on a terrible contract, and who's played terribly this year. Even if you ignored the part where both players were regularly healthy scratched on those other teams, there's still the issue of the Oilers depth chart:

Klefbom, Larsson, Nurse, Sekera, Russell, Gravel, Benning, Jones, Bear, Bouchard

When the team is healthy, where do those two fit in? There's an argument there's definitely a place this season for Petrovic as a right shot guy (although I wonder if Bear wouldn't give you just as much right now), and as for Manning - he's an expensive healthy scratch when everyone gets back, and next year I think he could be in the minors or yet another buy-out with his $2.25MM deal.

I've yet to see any coherent defence of Chiarelli other than he could be worse. I don't see how that's possible. I see a guy who's consistently given up great players for pathetic returns, and now I see him desperate to make the playoffs with very few bullets in his gun...the only saving grace is that we're so tight to the cap, it may keep him from being able to make any really stupid move.

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