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Re: Pregame: St. Louis @ Edmonton (Game #35) [message #725385 is a reply to message #725384 ]	Tue, 18 December 2018 12:57

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RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 18 December 2018 13:51

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Personally, I would have played Koskinen against the Blues, get the win, then play Talbot against the Lightning. The chances of you beating Tampa aren't that great anyway, why waste Koskinen.

Talbot needs to play some games but your idea is not a good way to handle it from a coaching/team psychology perspective.

If a coach is telling the team they can match up against anyone and are a playoff team how does it look if you put in your current number 2 as "The chances of you beating Tampa aren't that great anyway"

Do you think that motivates the team to be the giant slayer? How do you walk into the room pregame and tell them to put in a top effort when you are playing your goalies in this way?

I have always believed that it should be a mix of traditional back to back, give the starter a rest against the weaker team, strategy was best.
As the season goes on you play the top goalie, hot hand in must win games, even if that means 15 in a row to end the year to make the playoffs.

The last thing this team needs is any knock on its confidence and playing Talbot against one of the best teams in the league is a clear white towel and the players, including Talbot, would see that.

Koskinen at home is 7-0, 3 shut outs, a goals against under 1 and a save percentage of .972. It's not like Koskinen was brutal last game either. But regardless. If the coach says Koskinen is going to play their first home game back, what player is going to question that decision for a second given the numbers. Players know what the numbers are. As much as Talbot is a competitor and wants to play, I don't think he can even argue the numbers. Koskinen has unheard of numbers at home.

I would bet that if the numbers were flipped and Talbot had the insane numbers at home, not one person would be questioning if he should start tonight. Yet because it's not Talbot, it doesn't apply?

I dont know if you didnt read my post or simply ignored what I said but this had nothing to do with who is playing better right now. It is about goalie management and whether the idea of throwing in the towel on the TB game is a good move.

I am not arguing the stats or who has been the better goalie. This isn't even about "because Talbot"

What I was debating was the strategy of playing your #1 goalie against a weaker team and the #2 against one of the leagues best teams because "The chances of you beating Tampa aren't that great anyway"

If you only play the struggling number 2 goalie against games you see as almost unwinnable what message are you sending?

I read your post. If Koskinen shutout the Canucks, usually most coaches let that guy play the next game automatically even if it's "the other guys" start. It's just what you do. You are riding the hot hand. Koskinen is insanely hot at home right now. So why all of a sudden are they not "managing" the goalies correctly by playing the hot hand at home. The guy is on a crazy role at home, why wouldn't you ride that? It happens all the time. But because it's the Oilers, it can't apply.

Plus Hitch has been real careful to not designate a #1 publicly. All he has done is talk about the 2 of them, how he thinks he has two #1 guys. How badly you need 2 guys that can win you games, etc, etc. So why would Talbot given what the coach has said, think he is the #2. You could also spin it and have it as you are playing who you think your main guy is, against the toughest teams.

At the end of the day, in my opinion, worrying about "message sending" so you don't hurt a guys feelings should be the last thing you should worry about. You need every win you can get.

You are still clearly missing the point.

I am not worried about Talbot's feelings.

If a team is truly looking to be competitive you dont say "we arent likely to beat TB" so I am going to play the cold goalie and use the hot one in an easier game.
Again, not about Talbot's feelings but the ENTIRE team would see that as giving up on them and showing no faith that are truly able to compete with a good hockey team.

To your statement about playing the hot goalie first because it is "what you do" that is purely BS.

When good teams have a back to back they will often play the better, or hotter, goalie in the tougher matchup.

You are right, they do need every win. I think Talbot has a better chance of beating St. L than TB. I think that Koskinan has a better chance of beating TB than Talbot does.

Should they not go for two wins instead of trying to guarantee one but putting a weaker team on the ice for the second?

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Re: Pregame: St. Louis @ Edmonton (Game #35)	By: PlusOne on Tue, 18 December 2018 11:41
Re: Pregame: St. Louis @ Edmonton (Game #35)	By: RDOilerfan on Tue, 18 December 2018 12:17
Re: Pregame: St. Louis @ Edmonton (Game #35)	By: PlusOne on Tue, 18 December 2018 12:26
Re: Pregame: St. Louis @ Edmonton (Game #35)	By: RDOilerfan on Tue, 18 December 2018 12:51
Re: Pregame: St. Louis @ Edmonton (Game #35)	By: PlusOne on Tue, 18 December 2018 12:57
Re: Pregame: St. Louis @ Edmonton (Game #35)	By: RDOilerfan on Tue, 18 December 2018 13:47
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