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 ziltoid
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| Mike wrote on Mon, 19 November 2018 08:45 |
| ziltoid wrote on Mon, 19 November 2018 11:26 |
| Mike wrote on Mon, 19 November 2018 07:32 |
As has been said - I don't think many dislike Larsson. He's pretty good and a good contract. But not straight up for Taylor freaking Hall. Good grief. I can't even fathom how that conversation went to end up with "OK, sure Ray, one of the best wingers on the planet for a decent stay at home Dman and nothing else. Sounds good."
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I agree with the general sentiment, but I think calling Larsson a decent stay-at home D-man is selling him significantly short. His ES pts have been near the top of the team ever year (even during Klefbom's 38pt campaign, Larsson only had 3 less ES pts than Klefbom, and was T-60th in the league re: ES points by defensemen, Klefbom was T-50th), plus he plays the tough shutdown minutes to considerable success, and while on a great contract. Hall was an overpay, but Larsson is one of the 62 best D-men in the league.
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I don't think I'm selling him short at all. I stand by my assertion - He's a decent stay at home Dman. Nothing disparaging about that. Nobody will argue he is a #1, and anyone would agree he is 100% more than a #4. I think most would agree he is at the very worst a #3, but realistically a #2. A middle of the pack/lower tier 2.
That's a valuable player in the NHL. No bones about it. But Taylor Hall just won the Hart trophy. Taylor Hall drives the play - he has been a driver since he came into the league. When he is on the ice, it's tilted toward the opposition end. Adam Larsson was a lackluster return for Taylor Hall - that's not a slight on Larsson. That's a monumental screw up by Chia
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Yes, Hall trade was bad, but I think a pegging issue makes the trade seem worse that it actually was. Is a "decent stay at home D-man" one who is top 60-ish in ES points and is top 40-ish in GF%? Those are (lower end) top pairing ES offensive stats, which I think is better than "decent", and certainly better than a "decent stay at home D-man". Maybe it's a semantic issue, but "decent" implies "average" to me, and I think Larsson is above average in the shut-down role he is asked to play, especially considering his ES offensive numbers. Whether that constitutes a high-mid-low tier #2 depends on what role one thinks a #2 should play (e.g., offensive, 2-way, shut-down, etc.), so I can't really comment on that, but looking solely at Larsson as a shut-down guy, I think he is near the top portion of the league in that regard. Still not nearly enough to justify the Hall trade, though.
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