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Re: Oilers Qualify 3; Nurse, Slepychev, Strome [message #758128 is a reply to message #758123 ]	Mon, 23 March 2020 09:31

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Magnum wrote on Mon, 23 March 2020 08:18

Skookum Jim wrote on Sun, 22 March 2020 12:57

Oscargasm wrote on Sun, 22 March 2020 11:41

Skookum Jim wrote on Sun, 22 March 2020 12:29

I was watching the sportsnet replay of the Oilers vs Sharks 2017 playoff game (#5) last night .. where Deharnais scores the OT winner, quite a flashback!

One thing I wanted to focus on was Slepychev, due to the chatter about maybe he's looking at coming back next year.. It was interesting.. the guy has good speed, heavy on the puck (solid dude), and can make plays.. he was better than I remembered, certainly better than some of the other guys on today's lineup. Hope he comes to camp and gives it a go.

Larsson looked more mobile back then, he's had back issues, wonder if that's his problem now, he looks stiff and upright when he skates.

Biggest hit of the game was McD on Sorensen, open ice, rocked him!

Lines were;

Caggiula McDavid LD

Lucic RNH Eberle

Watched it last night too. Was pretty great, though made me miss the current, suspended, season. That line of Maroon-Letestu-Kassian was heavy as heck. Had Sekera not been injured in that Anaheim series (dang you Getzlaf) then I think that the Oilers seriously could have went deeper. That team had no depth on D however. Also, 2017 Talbot was dang good.

Thought the same thing, Sekera was a main ingredient on that D, and they had a young Benning playing regular minutes with Nurse.. if they had Sekera they could have gone really deep.

Letestu was another guy that looked good in comparison to what we have now, not a bad 3rd line, Maroon Letestu Kassian. 4th line was Pouliot Desharnais, and Sleepychev.

Bottom 6 weren't actually that bad..

Pointing out the obvious... but other than a required Sekera replacement, why wasn't that entire team just left as is?

It was - Chiarelli did virtually nothing that summer. Here's the sum total of what they did:

- Lost Reinhart to expansion draft
- Drafted Yamamoto
- Traded Eberle for Strome - one for one of course
- Bought out Pouliot
- Let Desharnais walk in free agency, lost Pitlick to free agency too.
- Re-signed Russell, re-signed Gryba, re-signed Draisaitl, extended McDavid
- signed Jussi Jokinen
- signed Johann Auvitu
- signed every veteran AHLer available

Did I miss anything?

I think he believed that he was on the edge of greatness here. He ignored the fact that that season had unprecented good health. We had no major injuries to anyone in our top six F or top four D. Our goaltending was exceptional, to the point where Talbot even got a couple Hart Trophy votes. At the time, it looked like the reliance on McDavid and Draisaitl was also pretty extreme - although in years since, we've learned that was a balanced lineup by comparison.

The health was a big one - they went in to the season knowing that two of their top four defencemen were hurt, and Sekera wasn't due back until Christmas. They should have known that one of the pillars of their success was just not going to be there for the next season - and yet they did nothing beyond add Johan Auvitu,

Chiarelli talked at the next summer about how they were disappointed with the 1994s in 2017-18 - that being those born that year - Strome, Benning, Caggiula, Slepyshev & Khaira. The big problem wasn't performance of those players though, but rather the team projecting all those players to make big leaps - when there was little reason to believe that they would.

I think with Strome, they expected him to replace Eberle's production but A) his history hadn't suggested that was likely and B) they quickly demoted him down the lineup and never gave him a chance to perform on a top line - as we've seen in New York, he did have that in him. In the end, he scored 34 points - his second highest total to that point, despite playing much of the year on the third line. His production is what they should have forecasted it to be. So was most of those guys really.

Slepyshev really never had a chance. having played 102 games with the Oilers, he's one of the most successful Russians ever to play under McLellan. There does seem to be a strong bias against Russians with that particular coach - almost none of them have ever done well, and most don't last long - including Ilya Kovalchuk this year who immediately showed in Montreal that he wasn't as washed up as the Kings' coach would have had you believe. Slepyshev spent much of his last season here in the doghouse, was healthy scratched at times, and still built on his previous season's performance - but like most players who left during that time, he seemed pretty happy to leave afterwards.

Hilariously, Chiarelli remembers all of this much differently. ( https://www.thetelegram.com/sports/hockey/garrioch-former-oi lers-exec-peter-chiarelli-refreshed-after-taking-a-step-back -422671/). He thinks that the Oilers chased the dream after the playoff run and strayed from the plan. I'm not sure which move he thinks was an attempt to launch the team forward. He actually eroded the roster, removing their third highest scorer for someone who should have been projected to produce at 60% of that output. Worth noting - in that softball interview from Garrioch, Chiarelli exposes himself further as one of the worst GMs in history. He says he somehow only got a single offer on Taylor Hall - since we know that there was discussions around Cody Ceci, you have to wonder if it was Chiarelli himself dangling that as a possibility rather than Ottawa offering it. That's way worse. It means that he basically learned NOTHING from his failure around the Seguin trade, and managed to bungle this one even worse.

The Oilers had a season that definitely could have been built on in 2016-17, but the management was completely incompetent and the coaching was weak.

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Oilers Qualify 3; Nurse, Slepychev, Strome	By: GabbyDugan on Sat, 23 June 2018 21:07
Re: Oilers Qualify 3; Nurse, Slepychev, Strome	By: Skookum Jim on Sat, 23 June 2018 22:20
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