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 smyth260
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Registered: November 2007
No Cups
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| mazankowski wrote on Sun, 24 June 2018 07:52 |
| smyth260 wrote on Fri, 22 June 2018 19:38 |
Are you confident that this roster can make the playoffs in McDavid's upcoming age 21-22 season without significant additions? We have to start adding, not waiting for Nurse and Puljuljarvi and Yamamoto and Bouchard and Bear etc. to fulfill their imaginary potential. A reminder that McDavid has missed the playoffs more than Sidney Crosby.
If a deal was not there, it was not there. Either way, I am not happy that for the past 3 drafts we have kept all of our first round picks.
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I don't agree with your position here. 1st round picks in the NHL have become so valuable that nobody is trading them. Anyone that does usually ends up getting burned (Reinhardt deal, Hamonic, likely the Duchene trade, etc.), because what has been proven is you need cheap ELC contracts on your roster in order to be successful. The real issue we have had is that we don't understand term when signing any players who aren't within the core. Would you love to have Lucic, Russell or Sekera? Of course, but you want them for 2-3 seasons, not 4+, but that's an entirely different topic.
I think you need to value any 1st round pick, unless it's 15th or later. Teams like Pittsburgh can afford to deal their 1st rounders because they're always 20th or later and they obtain great college players.
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We were drafting 22nd in 2017. It would have been a great time to bulk up for an upcoming playoff run while challenging for a division title. But we got David Desharnais and only one playoff series win to show for it. At what point have we stocked too many picks? I am pretty tired of keeping our picks and not winning anything. We can't wait forever.
The year of the Puljuljarvi draft, he was set to join a team boasting these first rounders. Hall (1), Nugent-Hopkins (1), Yakupov (1), McDavid (1), Draisaitl (3rd overall), Nurse (7th overall), Eberle (22nd overall), and Klefbom (19th overall). I think at that point, we have overkilled on stocking up on picks and young players and the 4th overall should have been traded away to help the upcoming year. We hadn't made the playoffs yet, we had lots of great young players and cap space because McDavid and Draisaitl were on ELCs. That screams OPEN WINDOW to me. But we keep Puljularvi. We make the playoffs that year, fill no holes at the deadline, and only win one series. Puljuljarvi makes zero contribution to the cup quest (playing in the minors), and is worth a lot less now than he was the minute before he was drafted. Missed opportunity. But hey, Puljuljarvi may develop into a 50 point winger....worth the wait?
We can't wait for Evan Bouchard to develop into the D we need before we start thinking about a serious run. If we miss the playoffs again with McDavid, the best player in the world, we are just wasting opportunities year after year. And this roster is the same, full of holes. Trading the 10th overall is one of the few ways I saw as a way to add something without giving up a significant roster player. You mention the importance of ELCs? Well the Oilers had golden opportunities to win while Hall, Eberle, Nuge, McDavid, Draisaitl were cheap on ELC deals. But instead of surrounding them with help during those times, we kept drafting and making bad bets elsewhere. We have wasted a lot of ELC's in part because of this lack of urgency. The best chance to win a cup was in McDavid's ELC. But we kept all of our own first round picks, made a lot of other bad choices, and missed the playoffs twice.
I still support the idea of trading the 16th overall that was Barzal. I just wish it was for someone that would have helped us in the next 3 years of McDavid's golden ELC as opposed to Reinhart. But that is another issue...
[Updated on: Sun, 24 June 2018 12:34]
Clean house or bust
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