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 Re: Winds of Change [message #706825 is a reply to message #706822 ]
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Ifs. You know IF your Aunt had balls she would be your uncle. Fact is PC had no clue where Eberles lost offense would come from. He had no idea where the PK help was when he dumped Pouliot and Hendricks. Two players who have what this team needs in spades in character. He had no backup for Talbot. He had no replacement for Sekera.

Our GM didn't plan to fail he to failed to plan. Unless expecting every player to perform at unprecidented levels, some how kill penalties with no penalty killers, and requiring Talbot to win a Vezina to be close. That is not a good plan. Something he should be fired for . Hell I was saying this exact stuff in July. How did these great hockey geniuses be so unprepared.


I am not excusing the GM but how about try some objectivity for a change.

If you are a GM are you expecting your almost vezina nominated goalie to give you well below NHL average goaltending? Maybe you don't expect him to be in the vezina conversation every year but he's 3.12 GA and .902 save percentage. That isn't even CLOSE to NHL average goaltending. Forget the back up, you aren't winning anything if your starter has numbers like that. If the Oilers are getting average NHL goaltending on a nightly basis from their starter, they are right there if not in the playoffs. They are 8 pts out of the wildcard, that's 4 wins. Their goaltending alone has lost them more than 4 games this whole season. So I would challenge you to point out what GM expects his high end starter to completely crap the bed and have back up plans in place to replace him during the season. Most teams expect their starter to play you 60+ games with most of them being high quality starts. If the starter has a bad season, they are screwed.

You can complain about not replacing Sekera. Sorry I don't buy that. With the emergence of Nurse, they would have Klefbom, Larsson, Nurse, Russell. While not great, that should be a decent enough top 4 to get you by until Sekera is ready to go. Klefbom is having a terrible season after having a good year. No GM is going to assume one of your best dmen is going to play as badly as he has. Not a chance in hell. Maybe he doesn't continue to trend up but you sure don't expect him to take 2 steps back like he as on many a night. Then you have Benning. Last season he looked like he was already a good 3rd pairing dman who at times could play in your top 4 and be OK. Now I think most expected him to have some bumps this season so maybe that means he is only in your 3rd pair for the whole year but no one expected him to take 2 steps back and for many games look like he isn't NHL ready. There are very few teams out there who have so much depth that they can afford to have one of their best dmen play like crap for most of the year as well as another guy who should be an NHL look like he can't play.

I am sounding like I am saying Chia should get no blame. That isn't the case. He has lots of blame as he has made some bad moves. But I don't care who is the GM here, no GM has a plan in place that fixes everything when your starter is bad for 3/4 of the season to date. No GM has plans in place to swap out your top pairing guy when he can't play any better than the 3rd pairing. If Doughty is playing like crap the whole year, are the Kings where they are? Not a chance in hell.

If you're a competent GM you'd have a back up plan just in case the almost Vezina goaltender took a step back. In Edmonton we got to watch a incompetent GM start his third consecutive season without a serviceable back up.

You may say the Oilers had enough on D to soldier forward without Sekera however many said they weren't good enough. If you look at the season objectively... they weren't good enough. The people who said another defenseman was need were objectively correct.

The truth is Chiarelli failed to get McLellan a good enough team and McLellan has failed to get the performance that not-good-enough team is capable of.

So are you telling me that Steve Yzerman who everyone seems to think is a hell of a GM and I would assume is "competent" in your eyes, has a adequate plan in place to keep Tampa rolling along if Vasilevsky goes down or didn't pan out to be as good as he is? Really? They have Dominque as their current back up because Budaj is injured. So if Vasilevsky isn't very good, you are confident that Peter Budaj and Louis Doninque could carry the Lightning to the playoffs and the cup.

Everyone thinks the Preds GM Poile is a genius given all the moves he's done and how good the Preds are and I assume "competent" in your eyes. If Rinne is crap, you seriously think Saros is capable of giving them as good goaltending as Rinne is?

Do I think that Chia should have brought in a better back up than gambling on Brossoit? Yes I do. But it's ridiculous in my opinion to expect ANY GM to have another goalie in place capable of replacing your high end starter. Please give me a team who if you take away their starter either from injury or playing not well, they will be as good with their back up. Dream on man.


Yes. Tampa had a disaster of a season last year and finished 1 point out of the playoffs.

Yes. The Preds have a track record of have good goaltending and good management. Until proven otherwise I think it's fair to assume Poile's backup could take over in the short term while Rinne gets his game back. For the record, Saros is .922 in the NHL (small sample size) and has put up good numbers in the A since he was drafted.

No one said the high end goalie needs to be replaced, we have been saying a better back up was necessary. We were right and that is a big reason why this season is a total loss.

Well if you think the season was lost because of the back up, you are flat out wrong. How many games does a really good back up play in a season? Maybe 15-20 tops? So we are talking what 5 games in 20? So in the 15 games out of every 20 your starter is giving you crap play, doesn't matter how good your back up is.

Name one team that can afford to lose 20 games. By your logic only the starter matters. A great year for a starter is 40-20. You flush those 20 games your record is 40-40-2. You miss the playoffs and you fail.



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