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 Adam
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Registered: August 2005
Location: Edmonton, AB
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| Goose wrote on Wed, 20 July 2016 20:57 |
| Skoobz wrote on Wed, 20 July 2016 18:25 |
| WhoreableGuy wrote on Wed, 20 July 2016 19:17 |
The Oilers offense was 5th from the bottom last season.
McDavid and Drai are a year older, but they lost their best offense guy in the past 6 seasons in Taylor Hall.
Added Lucic which should give players some space, also added a good 2nd pairing D guy in Larsson who Chia says can create offense.
Even if the Oilers stay healthy all season they should be better offensively but I think Staples is drunk. Or high.
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Can we quit with the passive-aggressive "Adam Larsson is a 2nd pairing defenseman" stuff? He is a first pairing shutdown defender. And he hasn't played a game yet for the Oilers.
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Ummm, then that wouldn't fit the, "this is the worst trade of the salary-cap era", idea that is out there. If you haven't seen that story, it's right next to, "Dallas Eakins was a great coach", and "Chiarelli is going to trade away all of the Oilers skill players for clones of Shawn Thornton - also known as the Bruinification of the Oilers".
And technically, Jordan Eberle has the most points on the Oilers over the past 6 seasons, 331 to 328. Hall has a slightly higher ppg .86 to .78, but I believe games played and actual points scored also matters.
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There is certainly some hyperbole out there. I think Larsson is a top-60 defenceman, which makes him a first pairing guy. I don't think he's likely to ever convince me that trading Hall was worth it or a good deal.
I'm guessing WhoreableGuy chose 6-years as a random metric, but if you want to look at it a few ways:
Last Year: 1. Taylor Hall (65) 2. Leon Draisaitl (51) 3. Connor McDavid (48)
Last 2 Years: 1. Jordan Eberle (110) 2. Taylor Hall (103) 3. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins (90)
Last 3 Years: 1. Taylor Hall (183) 2. Jordan Eberle (175) 3. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins (146)
Last 4 Years: 1. Taylor Hall (233) 2. Jordan Eberle (212) 3. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins (170)
Last 5 Years: 1. Jordan Eberle (288) 2. Taylor Hall (286) 3. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins (222)
Last 6 Years: 1. Jordan Eberle (331) 2. Taylor Hall (328) 3. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins (222)
In the last 6 years, there's only been four other players outside of those three to score 100+ points with the team - Gagner (164 in 4 seasons), Hemsky (124 in four seasons), Yakupov (111 in four seasons) and Schultz (105 in four seasons). Part of that is definitely due to turnover, but it shows just how important Hall and Eberle have been to the Oilers. Both are underappreciated now, in large part because they've been part of so many losses.
I think it's pretty fair to be upset about trading a guy who's put up those kind of numbers for a defenceman with 69 career points in 274 games. Best case scenario is that it doesn't look like highway robbery some day. It's unlikely that people will ever look back and say it's a great trade for the Oilers though. I think it's much more likely people say that about the Devils.
"Thinking that a bad team's best players are the reason the team is bad is the "Tambellini re-signing Lennart Petrell" of sports opinions." @Woodguy55
#FireLowe #FireBobbyNicks #FireKenHolland #FireKeithGretzky
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