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Adam wrote on Thu, 02 July 2020 15:06 |
Magnum wrote on Thu, 02 July 2020 14:55 |
mightyreasoner wrote on Thu, 02 July 2020 14:50 |
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It's like it should have been from the start, keep people at high-risk out of harm's way and let everyone else choose it they want the elevated risk. We don't stop people from working in the logging industry (most dangerous industry, Fatal injuries per 100,000 full-time equivalent workers: 97.6, Covid UK [worst country]: 68/100K).
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That's what Sweden did... and it didn't turn out great, to be honest.
There's a lot of interests to balance and try and careful find the right weight for each. But it isn't out of place to the government to mandate certain temporary measures in the interest of public safety.
Ultimately people are going to make their own choices, but it isn't just deaths people should be concerned about (although they certainly should be concerned about that too). There's a lot of long-term damage that can be done, and in the case of athletes, it has the potential to be career-ending. It's low probability, but high stakes. I wouldn't fault any athlete for opting out for a season to protect their long-term career outlook.
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Oddly, it was better than Spain, the UK, Italy, and God knows how many other countries that did full shut downs.
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That's not really odd. Italy and Spain were both hit early, before the severity was really known. Their health systems were swamped before they did a shut down.
Sweden, like Canada, had the benefit of seeing what happened in other countries and adapting to that. The UK also didn't do a full shutdown early - they in fact said they were pursuing a herd immunity strategy at the point where other nations were shutting down. That went so poorly that they had to switch course.
As I've said before, with Sweden, if you compare it to the other Scandinavian countries, who got the first cases around the same time and who did shut downs as opposed to what Sweden did, the per capita cases and deaths are much worse for Sweden. Even the Swedish government has now said that their strategy was flawed, so unless you cherry pick stats, that is objectively not the best strategy to pursue.
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Again, it's not death that measures the effectiveness of a lock down. Do you understand that? If not, no point in reading further.
Cherry picking stats of five countries that did worse. Right. Why can you only compare the two neighbours? Because they're titled as Scandinavian? Talk about cherry picking.
You probably haven't looked at the excess death stats. Maybe do that, if you're worries about deaths. Sweden didn't do that poorly at all, except if you cherry pick the stats and focus on two countries because they're land masses are close. Here's the excess death stats.
https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps
Now, most of Sweden's population is closer to Belgium, Lituania, Latvia, The Netherlands, Poland, and German than it is to the population masses of Norway and/or Finland.
The reality is, is that if you look at Europe... or if you must, look a countries near the population centers of Sweden, then they maybe did slightly worse, but definitely not the worst, yet had the weakest lockdown. Why is that? Because they're Scandinavian is not an adequate answer, but it is an easy conclusion - albeit wrong.
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2015/2016 - This Kool-Aid tastes like McDavid flavoured Drain-O.
2016/2017 - This Kool-Aid is starting to taste like juice.
2017/2018 - I'm drinking this Kool-Aid, in hopes that it's Drain-O.
2018/2019 - Another round of Drain-O, good sir!
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