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The Refs take the 2-1 series lead with a great PP goal in OT.


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More gifts from the refs. This is getting tiring.


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Doesn't matter. This team takes way too many penalties and can't win with that strategy.

God damn it. Our secondary group of players need to show up eventually. Our top guys and our bottom guys are contributing...

I think this series is over though. The Kings play hard and McLellan seems to have a good strategy for frustrating the Oilers.

Most dangerous Oilers team in years is looking like a quick out, at this point.



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It's not anywhere close to being over. 2 OT games and 1 EN game. It's tight and it was always going to be tight.


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CrusaderPi wrote on Fri, 21 April 2023 23:27

It's tight and it was always going to be tight.



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Oscargasm wrote on Fri, 21 April 2023 22:30

CrusaderPi wrote on Fri, 21 April 2023 23:27

It's tight and it was always going to be tight.



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CrusaderPi wrote on Fri, 21 April 2023 22:27

It's not anywhere close to being over. 2 OT games and 1 EN game. It's tight and it was always going to be tight.


It's not tight if LA doesn't get gifted powerplays and Oilers are denied the same calls LA has been outplayed every game yet they are up 2.. all based on PP's they got to get to OT.. and in OT



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CrusaderPi wrote on Fri, 21 April 2023 23:27

It's not anywhere close to being over. 2 OT games and 1 EN game. It's tight and it was always going to be tight.


Massive shot and chance imbalance too. The Oilers are the better team, and in most series, the best team wins.

It sucks to lose, and the officiating is frustrating, as is the constant play-acting by the Kings...but the Oilers are outplaying them in every game so we're likely to overcome all of that. The dam will break and the Oilers will triumph.

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Stop taking stupid and needless penalties and we win that game. That is not on the refs - that was all on us. Below average penalty kill all year and now we start taking penalties trying to be tough guys.



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Aussie_Oil wrote on Fri, 21 April 2023 23:22

Stop taking stupid and needless penalties and we win that game. That is not on the refs - that was all on us. Below average penalty kill all year and now we start taking penalties trying to be tough guys.


If the refs made consistent calls I would agree with this, but they have been pure trash tonight.



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That’s as fixed a game as I’ve ever seen. Klim gets two for being pulled down, King literally stands over McDavid keeping him down and no call. Just for one to one comparison. Refs got the NHL memo they want the Kings in the playoffs. Gar-bage.


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Aussie_Oil wrote on Fri, 21 April 2023 23:22

Stop taking stupid and needless penalties and we win that game. That is not on the refs - that was all on us. Below average penalty kill all year and now we start taking penalties trying to be tough guys.



You would fit right beside Hrudey on the CBC panel... ha.



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watchman wrote on Fri, 21 April 2023 23:34

Aussie_Oil wrote on Fri, 21 April 2023 23:22

Stop taking stupid and needless penalties and we win that game. That is not on the refs - that was all on us. Below average penalty kill all year and now we start taking penalties trying to be tough guys.



You would fit right beside Hrudey on the CBC panel... ha.

Oilers had all the momentum after Connors second goal.

Then Leon starts playing with matches.

And Hrudey is still an ass.



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If you're going to call that in OT, then call everything. Just be consistent. If this was a playoff game in any other team sport, there would be questions.

This is hard to overcome. They're going to lose most 50/50 calls in this series. LA clearly has to do something horrendous to go to the box. You could see it this game especially because it affected their play and it was the least physical game from the Oilers.

This hockey decided arbitrarily by NHL officiating is an embarrassment.




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I love Leon, but I’d like to see some maturity.

Don’t give the refs a reason. He’s taken an extra unnecessary wack every game and gotten called nearly every time.

Kane has gotta quit yapping.

This is a frustrating series. We are the better team but down 2-1.

Most concerning, I hope McDavid’s leg just needs a nights rest. He didn’t look the same after Danault took him out.



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Big ref approach change. They wanted to be in this game and looked for any excuse to try to even things up. Cheesy garbage. If we could finish some golden opportunities though we wouldn't have to worry so much about it. Zero finish at evens tonight.


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Conclusive evidence now that his stick hit the puck. The refs blew it. The call on Kostin was awful. What’s cross checking here is not cross checking over there.

Time for Woody to take a fine.



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g2k wrote on Fri, 21 April 2023 22:55

Conclusive evidence now that his stick hit the puck. The refs blew it. The call on Kostin was awful. What’s cross checking here is not cross checking over there.

Time for Woody to take a fine.


I’ve seen a bunch of angles now. It looks very clear to me that puck hits the stick.

https://streamable.com/iqlajn

Look at the spin on the puck in this one. Definitely changes.

We can debate about Makar offsides and interpretation of the rule, this one they just got wrong. It’s really upsetting.



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smyth260 wrote on Sat, 22 April 2023 00:01

g2k wrote on Fri, 21 April 2023 22:55

Conclusive evidence now that his stick hit the puck. The refs blew it. The call on Kostin was awful. What’s cross checking here is not cross checking over there.

Time for Woody to take a fine.


I’ve seen a bunch of angles now. It looks very clear to me that puck hits the stick.

https://streamable.com/iqlajn

Look at the spin on the puck in this one. Definitely changes.

We can debate about Makar offsides and interpretation of the rule, this one they just got wrong. It’s really upsetting.


This game it too hard for humans to watch over. I figured the way the puck totally changes how it's spinning was proof enough he touched it. It also changes the direction it was moving. What did they need beyond that? Not sure what else a camera could tell you. Did they need a Morgan Freeman voice to suddenly appear into the video saying "and here we can see, the stick hits the puck".

Maybe dump the rule if it depends on having a perfect angled camera that always needs to see the perfect open space between the stick and puck close to nothing.



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Kr55 wrote on Fri, 21 April 2023 23:20

.. I figured the way the puck totally changes how it's spinning was proof enough he touched it. It also changes the direction it was moving. What did they need beyond that? Not sure what else a camera could tell you.


The puck was clearly hit.. changed rotation as soon as it hit the stick.. visible from multiple angles.. it also changes trajectory from multiple angles.. CLEARLY hit the stick.

..and you don't need a degree in physics to understand this.. anyone with an average IQ can come to this conclusion.. unless you decided evidence isn't the determining factor in your decision.. the NHL didn't "blow the call".. they chose the call they wanted it to be.

Shouldn't even have gone to review.. you had 4 on ice officials looking at it.. McDavid was right there and he knew as soon as it happened.. he could see it on the ice, the 4 refs could see the same thing he did.. refs didn't need a camera to show them..


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The Ekholm, Desharnais, and Kostin penalties were absolute garbage. How the hell do you call those, let alone in a playoff game? The Draisaitl one is a joke too. Sure you probably shouldn’t do that, but an unsportsmanlike penalty? Really?

And then was it Danault sitting on McDavid in OT? That’s ok? And in the 3rd when we were on the PP, with 13:57 left in the 3rd, the Kings player executes a textbook can opener on McDavid and they let that go.

And the cherry on top, “inconclusive”. F right off.






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https://twitter.com/ScottBiggsify/status/1649648806907252737

Lol watch the stick recoil as if some sort of external force was acting on it from below
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I totally understand missing that in real time. But they reviewed it and still got it undeniably wrong.

Maybe someone can explain this to me (probably I should just chalk it up to "media") - but what is this narrative that's always trotted out and seized on about "don't put yourself in that position", "don't give the refs the opportunity to make that call" etc?

If tapping a players shin pads is "giving the refs an opportunity" then you can't touch another player at all ever in any situation. Every single play is "an opportunity". It's just this mantra that gets repeated over and over.



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Jay wrote on Sat, 22 April 2023 08:05

https://twitter.com/ScottBiggsify/status/1649648806907252737

Lol watch the stick recoil as if some sort of external force was acting on it from below
icon_rolleyes

I totally understand missing that in real time. But they reviewed it and still got it undeniably wrong.

Maybe someone can explain this to me (probably I should just chalk it up to "media") - but what is this narrative that's always trotted out and seized on about "don't put yourself in that position", "don't give the refs the opportunity to make that call" etc?

If tapping a players shin pads is "giving the refs an opportunity" then you can't touch another player at all ever in any situation. Every single play is "an opportunity". It's just this mantra that gets repeated over and over.

I was critical with Leon last night because of the timing of the tap. But my gawd it was so minor. What bugs me most is some self important official trying to show up one of the best hockey players on the planet. ”Feeling cocky that your team scored? Well take that! I’m the king of the jungle.”



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Jay wrote on Sat, 22 April 2023 07:05

... what is this narrative that's always trotted out and seized on about "don't put yourself in that position", "don't give the refs the opportunity to make that call" etc?

If tapping a players shin pads is "giving the refs an opportunity" then you can't touch another player at all ever in any situation. Every single play is "an opportunity". It's just this mantra that gets repeated over and over.


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You’re advocating for the same game management that’s upsetting you here. “Some slashes are ok if they’re not hard enough because it’s my team doing it”. Either you (and more importantly the team) accept the imperfect nature of reffing and focus on the bigger picture or you continue to get lost in the cycle of complaint and victimization. The best make to get the refs working against you is to constantly complain about the refs being out to get you. Last night Kane, and other Oilers, looked an awful lot like how this board, Oilers twitter, and the radio sounded.

Generally I don’t believe momentum transfers between games in playoffs series unless an injury happens. Each game is its own event. However if the mindset of failure has taken hold in the dressing room like it has here, the series is over. I doubt this is the case, but it is possible.

I’d anyone believes the foolish notion the refs are biased and the league is fixed you should switch the channel to wrestling. This sport simply isn’t for you.



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CrusaderPi wrote on Sat, 22 April 2023 11:48

You’re advocating for the same game management that’s upsetting you here. “Some slashes are ok if they’re not hard enough because it’s my team doing it”. Either you (and more importantly the team) accept the imperfect nature of reffing and focus on the bigger picture or you continue to get lost in the cycle of complaint and victimization. The best make to get the refs working against you is to constantly complain about the refs being out to get you. Last night Kane, and other Oilers, looked an awful lot like how this board, Oilers twitter, and the radio sounded.

Generally I don’t believe momentum transfers between games in playoffs series unless an injury happens. Each game is its own event. However if the mindset of failure has taken hold in the dressing room like it has here, the series is over. I doubt this is the case, but it is possible.

I’d anyone believes the foolish notion the refs are biased and the league is fixed you should switch the channel to wrestling. This sport simply isn’t for you.

Of course there are varying degrees of slashes. Let's not confuse game management with common sense. Everyone knows what a tap on the shin pads looks like compared to a slash.
That play wasn't a penalty in any league - not for the oilers not for the kings, not for a novice team. I don't think that the game is fixed but I think the fact that that call was made suggests that there was something more to it - 'game management' or (IMO) more likely a personal vendetta against the player. I don't buy for a second that an NHL ref in a vacuum sees that play as a penalty. It's not the refs job to 'win' against a player he has an issue with.

I have no idea what was going on with the review. I'm not sure why they made the review at all if the decision is to ignore the video evidence.

Either way though you're right that the players can't be in that mind set. I think probably last night they were pissed and you could tell but I imagine today they are back at it and realise they've been the better team and (I think) are still going to win.



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CrusaderPi wrote on Sat, 22 April 2023 11:48

You’re advocating for the same game management that’s upsetting you here. “Some slashes are ok if they’re not hard enough because it’s my team doing it”. Either you (and more importantly the team) accept the imperfect nature of reffing and focus on the bigger picture or you continue to get lost in the cycle of complaint and victimization. The best make to get the refs working against you is to constantly complain about the refs being out to get you. Last night Kane, and other Oilers, looked an awful lot like how this board, Oilers twitter, and the radio sounded.

Generally I don’t believe momentum transfers between games in playoffs series unless an injury happens. Each game is its own event. However if the mindset of failure has taken hold in the dressing room like it has here, the series is over. I doubt this is the case, but it is possible.

I’d anyone believes the foolish notion the refs are biased and the league is fixed you should switch the channel to wrestling. This sport simply isn’t for you.


I tend to agree with a lot of this. The refs aren't trying to screw us over. They're making mistakes in real time, and they're trying to walk a balance that the NHL has asked them to maintain - not disrupting the game by calling too much. That isn't great instructions, but the NHL has a belief that playoff hockey is better because there's more hooking, holding and obstruction for whatever reason.

All that said, Woodcroft should at bare minimum make some comments in the media. Plant a few seeds - even if you don't fully rip the officiating. For all the stuff that hasn't been called in the series, the Oilers have had two overtime penalties called with neither being a particularly flagrant offence. The overtime winner was hit by a high stick - and for whatever reason, the NHL did not overturn the goal. I think it would be good to take some fire off the team, and to get a little in the referees heads about the Kings game.

Added bonus, we know the smug prick on the other bench isn't going to say anything about the officiating, because he has a personal tenet to never do so.



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CrusaderPi wrote on Sat, 22 April 2023 11:48

You’re advocating for the same game management that’s upsetting you here. “Some slashes are ok if they’re not hard enough because it’s my team doing it”. Either you (and more importantly the team) accept the imperfect nature of reffing and focus on the bigger picture or you continue to get lost in the cycle of complaint and victimization. The best make to get the refs working against you is to constantly complain about the refs being out to get you. Last night Kane, and other Oilers, looked an awful lot like how this board, Oilers twitter, and the radio sounded.

Generally I don’t believe momentum transfers between games in playoffs series unless an injury happens. Each game is its own event. However if the mindset of failure has taken hold in the dressing room like it has here, the series is over. I doubt this is the case, but it is possible.

I’d anyone believes the foolish notion the refs are biased and the league is fixed you should switch the channel to wrestling. This sport simply isn’t for you.


All that said, Woodcroft should at bare minimum make some comments in the media. Plant a few seeds - even if you don't fully rip the officiating. For all the stuff that hasn't been called in the series, the Oilers have had two overtime penalties called with neither being a particularly flagrant offence. The overtime winner was hit by a high stick - and for whatever reason, the NHL did not overturn the goal. I think it would be good to take some fire off the team, and to get a little in the referees heads about the Kings game.


Invest in a little game management. It’s a currency some teams seem to be good at acquiring. There will be a spotlight on game 4 regardless. Take advantage.



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Invest in a little game management. It’s a currency some teams seem to be good at acquiring. There will be a spotlight on game 4 regardless. Take advantage.


ABSOLUTELY. Game management, bad calls, and frustration are a fact of life in hockey. Especially in the playoffs. A lot can be gained from trying to use this predictable chaos to your benefit. I think Kane's act last night is is a recipe for disaster, but someone with a more calm perspective can move the needle in a meaningful manner.



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CrusaderPi wrote on Sat, 22 April 2023 15:06

g2k wrote on Sat, 22 April 2023 15:33


Invest in a little game management. It’s a currency some teams seem to be good at acquiring. There will be a spotlight on game 4 regardless. Take advantage.


ABSOLUTELY. Game management, bad calls, and frustration are a fact of life in hockey. Especially in the playoffs. A lot can be gained from trying to use this predictable chaos to your benefit. I think Kane's act last night is is a recipe for disaster, but someone with a more calm perspective can move the needle in a meaningful manner.



I’m starting to loathe the term “game management” as it implies there’s an impartial 3rd party element to the game that has to be appeased for a positive outcome. Refs should be respected, but what they think of a team or player should have zero influence on game events.

I don’t even think this is about playing nice to the stripes, this is just giving beneficial treatment to the team that the league feels has bigger financial benefits to advancing. And they use the slightest provocation on one side, and overlook obvious acts on the other.

If they gave Kane a borderline penalty because of a chirp, that’s game management. Systemically and consistently penalizing one team while ignoring instances of the other is game rigging.



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nullterm wrote on Sat, 22 April 2023 16:39

I’m starting to loathe the term “game management” as it implies there’s an impartial 3rd party element to the game that has to be appeased for a positive outcome. Refs should be respected, but what they think of a team or player should have zero influence on game events.

I don’t even think this is about playing nice to the stripes, this is just giving beneficial treatment to the team that the league feels has bigger financial benefits to advancing. And they use the slightest provocation on one side, and overlook obvious acts on the other.

If they gave Kane a borderline penalty because of a chirp, that’s game management. Systemically and consistently penalizing one team while ignoring instances of the other is game rigging.


Good point.
That's why I prefer to refer to it as score management, or outcome management.. aka rigged.
Also tired of the term.. "missed" call.. or "blown" call as an explanation, implies an unintentional error in judgement.



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Skookum Jim wrote on Sat, 22 April 2023 16:45

nullterm wrote on Sat, 22 April 2023 16:39

I’m starting to loathe the term “game management” as it implies there’s an impartial 3rd party element to the game that has to be appeased for a positive outcome. Refs should be respected, but what they think of a team or player should have zero influence on game events.

I don’t even think this is about playing nice to the stripes, this is just giving beneficial treatment to the team that the league feels has bigger financial benefits to advancing. And they use the slightest provocation on one side, and overlook obvious acts on the other.

If they gave Kane a borderline penalty because of a chirp, that’s game management. Systemically and consistently penalizing one team while ignoring instances of the other is game rigging.


Good point.
That's why I prefer to refer to it as score management, or outcome management.. aka rigged.
Also tired of the term.. "missed" call.. or "blown" call as an explanation, implies an unintentional error in judgement.


Exactly. “Game management” is putting a sugar coating on rigging the game so mentally people go along with accepting it as part of the game’s culture and rules. It’s not. It’s corruption. And we shouldn’t tolerate it, nor accept it.

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nullterm wrote on Sat, 22 April 2023 17:09

Skookum Jim wrote on Sat, 22 April 2023 16:45

nullterm wrote on Sat, 22 April 2023 16:39

I’m starting to loathe the term “game management” as it implies there’s an impartial 3rd party element to the game that has to be appeased for a positive outcome. Refs should be respected, but what they think of a team or player should have zero influence on game events.

I don’t even think this is about playing nice to the stripes, this is just giving beneficial treatment to the team that the league feels has bigger financial benefits to advancing. And they use the slightest provocation on one side, and overlook obvious acts on the other.

If they gave Kane a borderline penalty because of a chirp, that’s game management. Systemically and consistently penalizing one team while ignoring instances of the other is game rigging.


Good point.
That's why I prefer to refer to it as score management, or outcome management.. aka rigged.
Also tired of the term.. "missed" call.. or "blown" call as an explanation, implies an unintentional error in judgement.


Exactly. “Game management” is putting a sugar coating on rigging the game so mentally people go along with accepting it as part of the game’s culture and rules. It’s not. It’s corruption. It’s a cancer that eats at the sport’s soul. And we shouldn’t tolerate it, nor accept it.


Also, beyond just corruption of the game.. there are now huge legal liabilities associated with this due to the massive NHL promotion of Sports Betting.. that's people's real money being affected.



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Skookum Jim wrote on Sat, 22 April 2023 18:16

nullterm wrote on Sat, 22 April 2023 17:09

Skookum Jim wrote on Sat, 22 April 2023 16:45

nullterm wrote on Sat, 22 April 2023 16:39

I’m starting to loathe the term “game management” as it implies there’s an impartial 3rd party element to the game that has to be appeased for a positive outcome. Refs should be respected, but what they think of a team or player should have zero influence on game events.

I don’t even think this is about playing nice to the stripes, this is just giving beneficial treatment to the team that the league feels has bigger financial benefits to advancing. And they use the slightest provocation on one side, and overlook obvious acts on the other.

If they gave Kane a borderline penalty because of a chirp, that’s game management. Systemically and consistently penalizing one team while ignoring instances of the other is game rigging.


Good point.
That's why I prefer to refer to it as score management, or outcome management.. aka rigged.
Also tired of the term.. "missed" call.. or "blown" call as an explanation, implies an unintentional error in judgement.


Exactly. “Game management” is putting a sugar coating on rigging the game so mentally people go along with accepting it as part of the game’s culture and rules. It’s not. It’s corruption. It’s a cancer that eats at the sport’s soul. And we shouldn’t tolerate it, nor accept it.


Also, beyond just corruption of the game.. there are now huge legal liabilities associated with this due to the massive NHL promotion of Sports Betting.. that's people's real money being affected.


Honestly, I don't think hockey is for you. Claiming the games are rigged is absurd. You don't have to like the NHL and how it operates, but this whole line of thinking is completely ridiculous.




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CrusaderPi wrote on Sat, 22 April 2023 18:20

Skookum Jim wrote on Sat, 22 April 2023 18:16

nullterm wrote on Sat, 22 April 2023 17:09

Skookum Jim wrote on Sat, 22 April 2023 16:45

nullterm wrote on Sat, 22 April 2023 16:39

I’m starting to loathe the term “game management” as it implies there’s an impartial 3rd party element to the game that has to be appeased for a positive outcome. Refs should be respected, but what they think of a team or player should have zero influence on game events.

I don’t even think this is about playing nice to the stripes, this is just giving beneficial treatment to the team that the league feels has bigger financial benefits to advancing. And they use the slightest provocation on one side, and overlook obvious acts on the other.

If they gave Kane a borderline penalty because of a chirp, that’s game management. Systemically and consistently penalizing one team while ignoring instances of the other is game rigging.


Good point.
That's why I prefer to refer to it as score management, or outcome management.. aka rigged.
Also tired of the term.. "missed" call.. or "blown" call as an explanation, implies an unintentional error in judgement.


Exactly. “Game management” is putting a sugar coating on rigging the game so mentally people go along with accepting it as part of the game’s culture and rules. It’s not. It’s corruption. It’s a cancer that eats at the sport’s soul. And we shouldn’t tolerate it, nor accept it.


Also, beyond just corruption of the game.. there are now huge legal liabilities associated with this due to the massive NHL promotion of Sports Betting.. that's people's real money being affected.


Honestly, I don't think hockey is for you. Claiming the games are rigged is absurd. You don't have to like the NHL and how it operates, but this whole line of thinking is completely ridiculous.




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CrusaderPi wrote on Sat, 22 April 2023 17:20

Skookum Jim wrote on Sat, 22 April 2023 18:16

nullterm wrote on Sat, 22 April 2023 17:09

Skookum Jim wrote on Sat, 22 April 2023 16:45

nullterm wrote on Sat, 22 April 2023 16:39

I’m starting to loathe the term “game management” as it implies there’s an impartial 3rd party element to the game that has to be appeased for a positive outcome. Refs should be respected, but what they think of a team or player should have zero influence on game events.

I don’t even think this is about playing nice to the stripes, this is just giving beneficial treatment to the team that the league feels has bigger financial benefits to advancing. And they use the slightest provocation on one side, and overlook obvious acts on the other.

If they gave Kane a borderline penalty because of a chirp, that’s game management. Systemically and consistently penalizing one team while ignoring instances of the other is game rigging.


Good point.
That's why I prefer to refer to it as score management, or outcome management.. aka rigged.
Also tired of the term.. "missed" call.. or "blown" call as an explanation, implies an unintentional error in judgement.


Exactly. “Game management” is putting a sugar coating on rigging the game so mentally people go along with accepting it as part of the game’s culture and rules. It’s not. It’s corruption. It’s a cancer that eats at the sport’s soul. And we shouldn’t tolerate it, nor accept it.


Also, beyond just corruption of the game.. there are now huge legal liabilities associated with this due to the massive NHL promotion of Sports Betting.. that's people's real money being affected.


Honestly, I don't think hockey is for you. Claiming the games are rigged is absurd. You don't have to like the NHL and how it operates, but this whole line of thinking is completely ridiculous.


Do you feel games are being called fairly and unbiased? That the play on the ice 100% dictated the game outcome?

Kesler falling on goalie, Makar redefining offside on the fly, last night. We aren’t talking one off events here.

I don’t think there’s a council of elders dictating the Oilers should lose.

But I think the officiating is more than happy to lean the odd decision in favour of a potentially larger US market. And even in the small amount, it’s corrupt.



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Do you feel games are being called fairly and unbiased? That the play on the ice 100% dictated the game outcome?

Kesler falling on goalie, Makar redefining offside on the fly, last night. We aren’t talking one off events here.

I don’t think there’s a council of elders dictating the Oilers should lose.

But I think the officiating is more than happy to lean the odd decision in favour of a potentially larger US market. And even in the small amount, it’s corrupt.


You can't have it both ways. If you see a pattern of calls against your team that can't be blamed by simple incompetence, bad luck, or your own personal biased view (which as a fan you're entitled to have) then it has to be the council of elders dictating outcomes. Otherwise it is just simple incompetence, bad luck, or your own personal bias coming through.

For what it's worth I do think games are reffed fairly and the play on the ice determines the result. Including last night.

I also think the big revenue Oilers, who have the best player in the world, had their fans become emotionally invested in this season thanks to an amazing year end run and now that they're dealing with a difficult playoff matchup, that went to 7 games last year. they're starting to worry and lashing out.



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If you think the game was fairly officiated, then we’re just not gonna have a common ground to settle on.


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