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 Re: 2022-23 Regular Season OOT Thread [message #817738 is a reply to message #817710 ]
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Speaking of player performance vs contract, I wonder how Flames fans are feeling about their $7m/yr "defensive specialist" who's a team worst -10 and their $10.5m "offensive specialist" who is rocking a 0.68 pts/gm pace.

Meanwhile Tkachuk (barf) has 71 pts in 50 and Gaudreau is near a point per game pace on a craptacular Columbus team.

Oh well, it's not like they have them for another 7/8 years respectively lmao

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NZ Oiler Fan wrote on Wed, 08 February 2023 09:18

Speaking of player performance vs contract, I wonder how Flames fans are feeling about their $7m/yr "defensive specialist" who's a team worst -10 and their $10.5m "offensive specialist" who is rocking a 0.68 pts/gm pace.

Meanwhile Tkachuk (barf) has 71 pts in 50 and Gaudreau is near a point per game pace on a craptacular Columbus team.

Oh well, it's not like they have them for another 7/8 years respectively lmao


Mackenzie Weegar isn't exactly lighting the world on fire either.

I suspect that part of the issue is their dinosaur behind the bench - I wonder if that gets sorted this summer...especially if they miss the playoffs.

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NZ Oiler Fan wrote on Wed, 08 February 2023 09:18

Speaking of player performance vs contract, I wonder how Flames fans are feeling about their $7m/yr "defensive specialist" who's a team worst -10 and their $10.5m "offensive specialist" who is rocking a 0.68 pts/gm pace.

Meanwhile Tkachuk (barf) has 71 pts in 50 and Gaudreau is near a point per game pace on a craptacular Columbus team.

Oh well, it's not like they have them for another 7/8 years respectively lmao


Come on, +/- is a meaningless stat. We all know the only thing that matter is all-star skill competitions.

Thus Kadri > McDavid.

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NZ Oiler Fan wrote on Wed, 08 February 2023 09:18

Speaking of player performance vs contract, I wonder how Flames fans are feeling about their $7m/yr "defensive specialist" who's a team worst -10 and their $10.5m "offensive specialist" who is rocking a 0.68 pts/gm pace.

Meanwhile Tkachuk (barf) has 71 pts in 50 and Gaudreau is near a point per game pace on a craptacular Columbus team.

Oh well, it's not like they have them for another 7/8 years respectively lmao


I really hope Sutter finds a way to get that GM spot. Things are definitely not working out well this year for treliving, but he still did a good job salvaging Gaudreau and Tkachuk wanting to get the heck out of Calgary.

Something is off with the lames, similar to how crappy most of our lineup played in the first half, only the lames lack a generational talent or 2 to always have a consistent scoring threat. Think old Sutter would do a good job creating long term damage if he took over, hopefully reduce a chance the lames have a bounce back in the coming years.

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NZ Oiler Fan wrote on Wed, 08 February 2023 09:18

Speaking of player performance vs contract, I wonder how Flames fans are feeling about their $7m/yr "defensive specialist" who's a team worst -10 and their $10.5m "offensive specialist" who is rocking a 0.68 pts/gm pace.

Meanwhile Tkachuk (barf) has 71 pts in 50 and Gaudreau is near a point per game pace on a craptacular Columbus team.

Oh well, it's not like they have them for another 7/8 years respectively lmao

When everyone was popping off about the Flames crushing the Tkachuk trade and coming out better after losing Johnny but signing Kadri, I didn't see it. They lost SOOOO much offense with losing Tkachuk and Johnny plus so many of their main guys had crazy career years, a bunch of which were contract years by the way. hahaha. And their goalie had a crazy career year. Even if all those guys just stepped back to more normal years, the team would take a step back.

Now you factor in Markstrom not standing on his head which that team seemed to need last year and the wheels have fallen off.

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AndersonRules wrote on Tue, 07 February 2023 08:23

So this was a very interesting conversation with competing hypotheses. Made me curious enough to do a dive into some of the research numbers. Given RD’s comments about age, I thought I would take the list of the top 50 forward free agents, regardless of RFA versus UFA status. And then I would look at their production this year compared to their career history. I am considering only free agents who are still in their 20s, to weed out those like Kane and Lucic who are at the end of their careers.

I will NOT note when players have unsustainable, shooting percentages, or have played very few games due to injury, because both of those conditions seem to me to be outside of the control of the player, such that the greed or motivation factor does not really play into it. Since Horvat has already signed his new contract, he is not on the list. But of course his shooting percentage is unsustainably high, which does call into question the sustainability of his production.

I would provide more information for each player, but I am typing with only my left hand as I recover from shoulder surgery, so this is painfully slow to begin with.

<snip>

If time and energy permit, I will return and look at the other 15 later today. I hope this data provides some food for further thoughts and conversation.

Love this. Don't break yourself doing part 2, but I'm interested to read whenever you can do it.

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AndersonRules wrote on Tue, 07 February 2023 08:23

So this was a very interesting conversation with competing hypotheses. Made me curious enough to do a dive into some of the research numbers. Given RD’s comments about age, I thought I would take the list of the top 50 forward free agents, regardless of RFA versus UFA status. And then I would look at their production this year compared to their career history. I am considering only free agents who are still in their 20s, to weed out those like Kane and Lucic who are at the end of their careers.

I will NOT note when players have unsustainable, shooting percentages, or have played very few games due to injury, because both of those conditions seem to me to be outside of the control of the player, such that the greed or motivation factor does not really play into it. Since Horvat has already signed his new contract, he is not on the list. But of course his shooting percentage is unsustainably high, which does call into question the sustainability of his production.

I would provide more information for each player, but I am typing with only my left hand as I recover from shoulder surgery, so this is painfully slow to begin with.

1. Pastrnak - arguably a career year this year. His best year previously was the pandemic year, when he had 95 points in 70 games. He is almost certain to exceed that this year. But it is worth noting that he has been a consistent point per game player over his entire career. This year may be his best year, but not by a huge margin. Also, he went straight from his entry level deal to a six year $40 million contract, so it’s not like he’s suffering for money to begin with. CAREER YEAR

2. DeBrincat - in the final year of a three-year $6 million contract, he is having the second worst year of his career. Ironically, his previous worst year was his last contract year in the pandemic season. So if Horvat is the poster boy for RD’s hypothesis, DeBrincat is the poster boy for Adam's thesis. POOR YEAR

3. Monahan - in the final year of his grossly overpaid seven year $6 million contract, Monahan continues to suck. His second and third years in the league were consistent, leading to the excessive contract. He sustained that production for the first three years of his new deal, but has dropped off precipitously in the last four years. His actual production this year is not terrible, but it’s not at his entry level deal level either. POOR YEAR

4. Larkin - oh this is the last year of a five-year $30 million contract, and Larkin is producing fairly well. However, his two best years were the first year and the fourth year of the current contract. This year his production is solid, and I would not call it a down year for him, but it is definitely not a career year either. HIS PRODUCTION SEEMS IN LINE WITH HIS CAREER AVERAGES. SOLID YEAR

5. Timo Meier - Meier almost fits the narrative of career year in contract year. His breakout season was the final year of his entry-level deal, which earned him his current four year $6 million contract. However, his actual best season was last year, where he was right at a point per game over the course of the season. This year, he is not far off of that mark, on a team which is probably slightly worse than last year’s. You can say, however that this year is a standard year on his production. It is almost step for step in line with how he did last year. SOLID YEAR

6. DuBois - here is a unique case, in that he has had three contracts over his six years in the league, including the current one year $6 million contract. Given RDs thesis, you would’ve expected him to have an excellent year last year, but he did not. It was solid, but not exceptional. This year, he seems to have found another level and is finally producing at a points per game. I think it is fair to call this year a career year for him. But again, it is worth noting that he has had two short contracts already in his career. CAREER YEAR

7. Drouin - in the final year of a six year $33 million contract, he continues to struggle and not produce. This year is even worse than the other five years of his contract, as he has fallen below a half point per game in production. So this is indeed a career for Drouin, but in a bad way. POOR YEAR

That wraps up the first seven of 22 free agent forwards under the age of 30. Statistically, the average current contract length for these seven top forwards was four years. On average, then, you should expect roughly 1/4 of them to have career years this year, and 1/4 of them to have the worst year of their career this year. That is roughly what we see in the results. DuBois and Pastrnak are having career years, while three of them, Drouin, Monahan, and Debrincat, are having, perhaps the worst year of their career.

If time and energy permit, I will return and look at the other 15 later today. I hope this data provides some food for further thoughts and conversation.

This is good stuff. I do appreciate you taking the time to do it.

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One aspect I think that has to be considered in the assessment of “career years” is where the player ranks in scoring.

Scoring is up. Last season we saw so many players hit their best scoring levels. Especially this was brought up a lot for non-elite scorers. But it’s kind of meaningless if scoring is up for everybody. I just remember so many tweets and posts last year “player x has hit a new career high!”. Well where does he rank among his peers? If that is higher than ever before, that is a true career high

Eg) Pastrnak should clear 100 points easily this season. He’s 4th in scoring. But in 18-19 he was 3rd in scoring with 95 points. He’s been there before. I am sure there are better examples.

I want to see all stats pages show the where the scoring season ranks right beside the point total.

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So apparently, I am addicted enough to statistics that I can’t help myself. Here is the middle eight of the 22 free agent forwards under the age of 30 who were in the top 50 of the list that adam linked. I am glad that you are enjoying the information so far, and hope this, it will be interesting and helpful as well.

8. Jesper Bratt - this is another interesting case. He is on a one year deal worth 5 1/2 million, after a two-year deal before that. He has shown statistical improvement just about every season thus far, but this year is the first year that he is averaging more than a point per game. I think it is fair to call this a career year for him, but it is also noteworthy that he has been steadily improving for the past three seasons. CAREER YEAR

9. Tyler Bertuzzi - currently completing a two-year contract worth nearly 5,000,000 a year, after a previous two-year contract worth 1.5 million a year And a one year contract worth 3.5 million. After showing study improvements for each of his first six seasons, Bertuzzi is having by far the worst season of his career. While injuries almost certainly play a significant part in that, in my estimation, that is just as random and occurrence as the unsustainable shooting percentage, that we see in someone like Horvat. Whatever the case, all that I am looking at is performance, not underlying causes, that might play a part in that performance, whether good or bad. This is undisputably the worst year of Bertuzzi’s career. POOR YEAR

10. Connor Brown - the young man so frequently linked to the oilers is completing the third year of his third three-year contract, worth 3.6 million per year. After showing steady improvement over the course of six seasons, Brown took a small step backward last year, before having this season entirely derailed. Again, regardless of circumstances and causes, this is undisputably the worst year of Brown’s career. P
POOR YEAR

11. Alex Kerfoot - in the final year of a four year contract worth 3.5 million, and Kerfoot is having a mediocre year. He is in line to match his production in the two pandemic affected seasons, which also were the first two years of his new contract. In his four year contract, last year was the only, excellent season that he had. You cannot call this year a historically bad year for him, rather it looks like last year was more of an outlier. Perhaps it is most accurate to call this a standard or solid year for the player. SOLID YEAR

12. J. T. Compher - he is also in the final year of a four year deal worth 3.5 million per year. He has had fairly steady production every season except 2021, but this year his production is significantly higher than his career average. He is closer to 0.66ppg instead of his previous career average of just under 0.5ppg. So while there is not a ridiculous improvement, it is fair to call this a career here for him. CAREER YEAR

13. Andreas Johnsson - hands up all of you who knew he was earning almost 3,.5 million per year on a four year deal! You are certainly better informed than I was. I cannot think that the team is happy with the contract, as he is only had one year where the production justified the pay period. That year was last year! This year, he has zero points, in a year that has been largely lost to injury. It is hard to assess this season at all, but it is certainly not a career year for him. If one wanted to confirm, Adam’s thesis, one with emphasize that he had his career year one year too early. UNASSESSABLE

14. Pius Suter - well I am learning all sorts of things about players that I had barely ever heard of before. Suter was an international free agent signing, and had an excellent year on his one-year entry-level contract with Chicago, before signing a two-year deal with Detroit. His first year with Detroit was solid at nearly 0.5ppg, but this year he has been a disappointment at less than half of that production. He has had only three seasons, but this is clearly the worst of those three seasons. POOR YEAR

15. Miles Wood - another New Jersey player, this one earning 3.2 million on a one year deal, after a season, entirely lost to injury before this one. His production this year has not reached the level that it did in his first two contracts. He is not wildly worse than before, but this is his worst season in terms of production since his rookie season. I could justify assessing this, as either poor or standard, and will give him the benefit of the doubt and call it standard. IT IS DEFINITELY NOT A CAREER YEAR FOR HIM. SOLID

that wraps up the middle eight of my list. Statistically, one should expect via random distribution that one quarter of them should have unusually good years, while another 1/4 of them have unusually bad years. That is almost precisely what we get, except that we had one extra player have an unusually bad year. so far then, it seems that the career year hypothesis may be the results of information bias as mike suggested. That is, when players like Horvat have an outstanding year in a contract year, we read a lot about it. But when someone Lake Bertuzzi has a terrible year in a contract year, we don’t read a lot about it. The data is not all in, and even this research is not in anyway comprehensive. But it is interesting, and so far at least lends some mild support to Adams hypothesis that career years and contract years do not necessarily line up.

P.S. I apologize for some of the random punctuation and weird spelling things. I am mostly using voice dictation tech, and it is not perfect. I proofread and edit some, but some of it is just not worth my time and effort to go back to fix.

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Returning to finish off the last eight free agent forwards under the age of 30.

16. Athanasiou - another interesting case in that he has been on mostly short term contracts over the course of his career. His career year was 2019, which ironically was in the middle of a two-year contract and not in a contract year. This year his contract pays 3 million even and he is having a sub standard year. In fact this is his worst statistical year since his rookie year in 2016. POOR YEAR

17. Puljujarvi - my beloved J.P.. on a one-year deal worth 3 million, he is having undisputedly the worst year of his career. It makes me very sad, particularly because it means we are likely to give him away for nothing. At any rate, he is not an example of RDs thesis, if anything, he is the opposite. POOR YEAR

18. Max Domi - he took a substantial pay cut this year, after a pretty rough contract year last year. After completing a two-year contract worth over 5 million per year, he settled for a one year deal worth 3 million this year. He has recovered his scoring touch, although he is still not at his career high levels of 2019. Ironically, for Dummi as well, his career year was the first year of a two year deal. So he has never had a career year in a contract year. Nonetheless, this is a good year by his standards. It’s just not a career year. STRONG YEAR

19. Gurianov (Dallas) - here is another player having undisputably the worst year of his career in a contract year. Interesting to note however, that he is currently on a one-year deal worth just under 3 million a year. POOR YEAR

20. Sundqist (Det) - I am not sure why he was making almost 3,000,000 a year over his four year contract, but he definitely has not lived up to expectations. All four years of his contract have been mediocre, and this year is about in line with previous years. STANDARD YEAR

21. Ritchie - earning 2.5 million per year, and having a year that is in line with his career averages. Perhaps slightly stronger than normal, but not by much. STANDARD YEAR

22. Filip Chytil - earning 2.3 million per year, and having what I would consider a Breakout season. Approaching 0.75ppg after never exceeding 0.5ppg previously. Here is a career year in a contract year. CAREER YEAR

23. Engvall - last and least, our second Toronto Maple Leafs to consider. He is learning 2.2 million per year, and is having a much poorer season than he had last year. Here is another player who had his career a year too early. That being said, this year is in line with what I would consider reasonable expectations for him. Much more a kin to his first couple of years in the league. STANDARD YEAR

So, in this last group of eight, we find one clear career here, and one strong year. The other six are either normal or poor years. Three of the eight are having career. Worst years this year in an important contract year for them.

If you push this data together with the first two posts, I had, then of the 23 total players under consideration you get this.

Five players having a career year, with one more having what could arguably called close to a career year.

Nine players who are having a poor year, most of whom are having the worst year of their careers. One other is having a terrible here, but his missed almost all of it with injury.

The remaining seven players are having years that are in line with their career averages.

What does that mean overall? I obviously allow you to draw your own conclusions. But to me, looking at the data a little bit more closely like this tends to falsify the theory that players in contract years tends to outperform their career averages.

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AndersonRules wrote on Tue, 07 February 2023 14:04


If you push this data together with the first two posts, I had, then of the 23 total players under consideration you get this.

Five players having a career year, with one more having what could arguably called close to a career year.

Nine players who are having a poor year, most of whom are having the worst year of their careers. One other is having a terrible here, but his missed almost all of it with injury.

The remaining seven players are having years that are in line with their career averages.

What does that mean overall? I obviously allow you to draw your own conclusions. But to me, looking at the data a little bit more closely like this tends to falsify the theory that players in contract years tends to outperform their career averages.



Thanks for doing this - the analysis is great, and it's one of the things I love about this site is that people like you are willing to dig a little deeper to get to the bottom of these things.

I was thinking about this argument over the last day and about something Goose said about financial rewards being sometimes a negative factor rather than a positive one. It's notable that while you might assume a similar number of negative results to positive assuming that contract year isn't an actual factor in performance, I wonder if there's not a slight negative correlation actually? Maybe some players do think about it and worry about it?

I find the argument that greed drives results is really cynical of human nature and so it lacks persuasiveness to me (even without the stats you've shown). But the opposite argument would touch on fear to some extent - fear of loss of income, of potential loss of position of standing, potential change of location. Players are vulnerable as free agents, and so even while it represents an opportunity, there's a danger with looming free agency - which is probably one of the reasons why many choose to re-sign long before facing the open market, despite market economics suggesting that as a good to great player, you'll do best if you have a bidding war between multiple teams. Fear is a simpler emotion than greed, and negative performance would be more easily seen on an individual level than success - because it's not simple to just do better simply because you want to. With my Kassian and Khaira examples above, when challenged, they rarely rose to the occasion - just tried to make themselves noticeable and oftentimes that wasn't a real positive. They'd take penalties, get themself out of position by running around or they'd get themself punched out in a fight.

So I'm evolving my theory and suggesting that if you looked at this over many years, my guess is that you'd still see this slight bend towards more negative years in contract years.

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one more note - I wonder if there's a correlation between injury and contract year, given all the noted injuries above. Do some players actually try harder but end up worse off for it?

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Sabres extend Dylan Cousins off his entry level deal for 7x$7.1 million. I guess the Tage Thompson gamble seems to have worked, so they felt comfortable handing huge money to a mostly unproven young player again.

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A classic hockey fan moment was created a couple days ago

https://twitter.com/spittinchiclets/status/16237747959208017 94?

More of the scuffle, and can hear why the guy got clocked

https://twitter.com/JeremyChuggs/status/1623544255133147136?

[Updated on: Fri, 10 February 2023 10:17]

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Karlsson with a couple assists already to help ensure maximum return for SJ.

What does a D that is top 5 in NHL overall scoring cost? I just want to see for the lol's

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In the wake of the cap going up less than expected and national US TV numbers being way down, reports are coming out that the parent company of Bally Sports (who holds TV agreements for 12 NHL teams) is on the verge of bankruptcy after skipping a $140 million dollar payment. One wonders if the north american sports model about to be upended?

Imagine just skipping a payment like that.

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CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 15 February 2023 09:59

In the wake of the cap going up less than expected and national US TV numbers being way down, reports are coming out that the parent company of Bally Sports (who holds TV agreements for 12 NHL teams) is on the verge of bankruptcy after skipping a $140 million dollar payment. One wonders if the north american sports model about to be upended?

Imagine just skipping a payment like that.


Maybe they need more gambling commercials?

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Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 15 February 2023 14:27

CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 15 February 2023 09:59

In the wake of the cap going up less than expected and national US TV numbers being way down, reports are coming out that the parent company of Bally Sports (who holds TV agreements for 12 NHL teams) is on the verge of bankruptcy after skipping a $140 million dollar payment. One wonders if the north american sports model about to be upended?

Imagine just skipping a payment like that.


Maybe they need more gambling commercials?

We ALWAYS need more gambling commercials. I think it's the only growing part of the sports ecosystem right now

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CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 15 February 2023 14:43

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 15 February 2023 14:27

CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 15 February 2023 09:59

In the wake of the cap going up less than expected and national US TV numbers being way down, reports are coming out that the parent company of Bally Sports (who holds TV agreements for 12 NHL teams) is on the verge of bankruptcy after skipping a $140 million dollar payment. One wonders if the north american sports model about to be upended?

Imagine just skipping a payment like that.


Maybe they need more gambling commercials?

We ALWAYS need more gambling commercials. I think it's the only growing part of the sports ecosystem right now


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They are saying Leafs are better than -600 to win vs Hawks tonight. The biggest favourite in recorded NHL history.

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It makes sense. The Blackhawks are awful, Toronto us a big public money team, and gambling is legal in Ontario. What doesn't make sense is the 1-1 score after 70 seconds.

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Pretty interesting tweet from Huberdeau's agent regarding Calgary.

https://twitter.com/walsha/status/1626444388669980672?ref_sr c=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1626444388669 980672%7Ctwgr%5E98e2567e1d132d368615c7ec57fabc4377bf45c6%7Ct wcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fforum.calgarypuck.com%2 Fshowthread.php%3Ft%3D191478

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Babaganoosh2.0 wrote on Fri, 17 February 2023 15:13

Pretty interseting tweet from Huberdeau's agent regarding Calgary.

https://twitter.com/walsha/status/1626444388669980672?ref_sr c=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1626444388669 980672%7Ctwgr%5E98e2567e1d132d368615c7ec57fabc4377bf45c6%7Ct wcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fforum.calgarypuck.com%2 Fshowthread.php%3Ft%3D191478


Huberdeau denied all foreknowledge of the tweet today and just said it's Allan Walsh being Allan Walsh basically. Said he loves his team and his coach. Stockholm Syndrome setting in.

At least he didn't get a sword in the back!

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Adam wrote on Fri, 17 February 2023 15:19

Babaganoosh2.0 wrote on Fri, 17 February 2023 15:13

Pretty interseting tweet from Huberdeau's agent regarding Calgary.

https://twitter.com/walsha/status/1626444388669980672?ref_sr c=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1626444388669 980672%7Ctwgr%5E98e2567e1d132d368615c7ec57fabc4377bf45c6%7Ct wcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fforum.calgarypuck.com%2 Fshowthread.php%3Ft%3D191478


Huberdeau denied all foreknowledge of the tweet today and just said it's Allan Walsh being Allan Walsh basically. Said he loves his team and his coach. Stockholm Syndrome setting in.

At least he didn't get a sword in the back!


That's good. So the solution is still for Sutter to become GM! Make it so!

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Then hire his brother as the new 'fresh take' coach!

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Dragon_Matt wrote on Fri, 17 February 2023 15:53

Then hire his brother as the new 'fresh take' coach!

Which one? Or do you just throw a dart at easter dinner?

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Oilers may be getting loser points, but Flames keep straight up losing. Pointing and laughing never gets old.

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Patrick Kane rockstar breakaway full slapshot OT winner. He is turning it back up right before the deadline. He wants that trade.

Edit: missed that it didn't count because it was late by 0.1;seconds. Oh well, still rockstar sh$#

[Updated on: Wed, 22 February 2023 00:53]

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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 22 February 2023 00:44

Patrick Kane rockstar breakaway full slapshot OT winner. He is turning it back up right before the deadline. He wants that trade.

Edit: missed that it didn't count because it was late by 0.1;seconds. Oh well, still rockstar sh$#


That was my favorite non goal of the year. Love it. Love that he let one rip in the SO too. icon_lol

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Mike wrote on Wed, 22 February 2023 05:58

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 22 February 2023 00:44

Patrick Kane rockstar breakaway full slapshot OT winner. He is turning it back up right before the deadline. He wants that trade.

Edit: missed that it didn't count because it was late by 0.1;seconds. Oh well, still rockstar sh$#


That was my favorite non goal of the year. Love it. Love that he let one rip in the SO too. icon_lol


https://i.ibb.co/qxJdqP1/Kane-Rockstar.jpg

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Vegas just traded Shea Weber's 7+M contract and cap to Arizona and a 7th for Dyson Mayo..

Have to imagine it must be a prelude to some upcoming trade .. Vegas had Weber on LTIR anyway so it doesn't help their cap hit.. something afoot ? Arizona needing cap to hit the floor.. because they'll be dealing Chycraun at full cap?

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Skookum Jim wrote on Wed, 22 February 2023 18:15

Vegas just traded Shea Weber's 7+M contract and cap to Arizona and a 7th for Dyson Mayo..

Have to imagine it must be a prelude to some upcoming trade .. Vegas had Weber on LTIR anyway so it doesn't help their cap hit.. something afoot ? Arizona needing cap to hit the floor.. because they'll be dealing Chycraun at full cap?


NHL radio guys figured it was a trade to assist with the offseason cap issues for the Knights, nothing to do with this season.
Even with the cap buffer they were still going to be WAY over apparently. Teams have the 10% buffer but they need to fit every contracted player in there, including the IR guys so they had to ditch one before the offseason.
No idea if they are right but that was the discussion.


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PlusOne wrote on Wed, 22 February 2023 16:50

Skookum Jim wrote on Wed, 22 February 2023 18:15

Vegas just traded Shea Weber's 7+M contract and cap to Arizona and a 7th for Dyson Mayo..

Have to imagine it must be a prelude to some upcoming trade .. Vegas had Weber on LTIR anyway so it doesn't help their cap hit.. something afoot ? Arizona needing cap to hit the floor.. because they'll be dealing Chycraun at full cap?


NHL radio guys figured it was a trade to assist with the offseason cap issues for the Knights, nothing to do with this season.
Even with the cap buffer they were still going to be WAY over apparently. Teams have the 10% buffer but they need to fit every contracted player in there, including the IR guys so they had to ditch one before the offseason.
No idea if they are right but that was the discussion.



Thanks for the info.. it seemed like a strange deal to be doing for Vegas to gain an advantage this year, makes more sense it had to do with next year..

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Kane now at 10 points in 4 games (robbed of the 11th by 0.1 seconds in OT) for his trade deadline showcase. Holland must be getting more interested with each passing game!

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Kr55 wrote on Thu, 23 February 2023 00:05

Kane now at 10 points in 4 games (robbed of the 11th by 0.1 seconds in OT) for his trade deadline showcase. Holland must be getting more interested with each passing game!

Even though he is the last thing we need right now.

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2nd last thing. THe last thing we need is Mike Smith and Duncan Keith coming back off LTIR.

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Orlov + Hathaway to Boston for draft picks and Craig Smith
Washington in sell mode.

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Skookum Jim wrote on Thu, 23 February 2023 16:24

Orlov + Hathaway to Boston for draft picks and Craig Smith
Washington in sell mode.

Boston just got much better. I was kinda hoping for Orlov.


A 1st, a 2nd, a 3rd, and a 5th for 2 months of Dimitry Orlov is just lunacy. Holland needs to stay as far away from this stupidity as possible.

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Some creative retention on this one too!

"The Capitals retained half of Orlov's salary and Minnesota will pay 25%; the Wild will receive a 2023 fifth-rounder for helping Boston stay under the cap."


But yes, that's a heck of a haul for Orlov. icon_eek

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NetBOG wrote on Thu, 23 February 2023 18:39

Skookum Jim wrote on Thu, 23 February 2023 16:24

Orlov + Hathaway to Boston for draft picks and Craig Smith
Washington in sell mode.

Boston just got much better. I was kinda hoping for Orlov.


A 1st, a 2nd, a 3rd, and a 5th for 2 months of Dimitry Orlov is just lunacy. Halland needs to stay as far away from this stupidity as possible.

I kind of agree. The Bruins are head and shoulders above the Oilers. Giving up 4 picks (including a 2025 2nd rounder that won't be in the NHL until 2028-29) wouldn't come close to making up that gap.

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