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CrusaderPi wrote on Sat, 07 January 2023 18:24

Tage Thompson getting MVP chants in Buffalo after his 31st goal of the season.

I'm sure he has a shot. Can't wait to see the mental gymnastics of the PHWA justifying why McDavid doesn't deserve it.



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Babaganoosh2.0 wrote on Sat, 07 January 2023 18:45

CrusaderPi wrote on Sat, 07 January 2023 18:24

Tage Thompson getting MVP chants in Buffalo after his 31st goal of the season.

I'm sure he has a shot. Can't wait to see the mental gymnastics of the PHWA justifying why McDavid doesn't deserve it.

Same as always, he's too good. It's expected.



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CrusaderPi wrote on Sat, 07 January 2023 20:29

Babaganoosh2.0 wrote on Sat, 07 January 2023 18:45

CrusaderPi wrote on Sat, 07 January 2023 18:24

Tage Thompson getting MVP chants in Buffalo after his 31st goal of the season.

I'm sure he has a shot. Can't wait to see the mental gymnastics of the PHWA justifying why McDavid doesn't deserve it.

Same as always, he's too good. It's expected.


It's boring.

Bedard is the new McDavid anyways.



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Kr55 wrote on Sat, 07 January 2023 21:42

CrusaderPi wrote on Sat, 07 January 2023 20:29

Babaganoosh2.0 wrote on Sat, 07 January 2023 18:45

CrusaderPi wrote on Sat, 07 January 2023 18:24

Tage Thompson getting MVP chants in Buffalo after his 31st goal of the season.

I'm sure he has a shot. Can't wait to see the mental gymnastics of the PHWA justifying why McDavid doesn't deserve it.

Same as always, he's too good. It's expected.


It's boring.

Bedard is the new McDavid anyways.

That's why Tage needs to win it now.



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I have to take back saying Hall chose poorly.

I cannot believe Boston. 34-4-4. That's like all time greatness. NHL best 82 game season ever was 62-13-7. For 80 game seasons they only trail the Canadiens 70's dynasty.

https://champsorchumps.us/records/best-nhl-regular-season-re cords

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Avs transition from 2 elite line team back to 1 has been rough. Would be wild if they missed the playoffs.




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Kr55 wrote on Fri, 13 January 2023 09:28

Avs transition from 2 elite line team back to 1 has been rough. Would be wild if they missed the playoffs.



Lehkonen - MacKinnon - Rodrigues
Newhook - Compher - Rantanen
Cogliano - Helm - O'Connor
MacDonald - Meyers - Kaut

I'm not sure Landeskog and Nichuskin fix that.



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CrusaderPi wrote on Fri, 13 January 2023 10:34

Kr55 wrote on Fri, 13 January 2023 09:28

Avs transition from 2 elite line team back to 1 has been rough. Would be wild if they missed the playoffs.



Lehkonen - MacKinnon - Rodrigues
Newhook - Compher - Rantanen
Cogliano - Helm - O'Connor
MacDonald - Meyers - Kaut

I'm not sure Landeskog and Nichuskin fix that.


I beg to differ and think those two will fix that....having a healthy Makar on the backend is still an extreme game changer...

What if Avs trade for Horvat and then the aforementioned above come back from LTIR for the playoffs? Yikes!



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kungpaobenji27 wrote on Fri, 13 January 2023 11:18

CrusaderPi wrote on Fri, 13 January 2023 10:34

Kr55 wrote on Fri, 13 January 2023 09:28

Avs transition from 2 elite line team back to 1 has been rough. Would be wild if they missed the playoffs.



Lehkonen - MacKinnon - Rodrigues
Newhook - Compher - Rantanen
Cogliano - Helm - O'Connor
MacDonald - Meyers - Kaut

I'm not sure Landeskog and Nichuskin fix that.


I beg to differ and think those two will fix that....having a healthy Makar on the backend is still an extreme game changer...

What if Avs trade for Horvat and then the aforementioned above come back from LTIR for the playoffs? Yikes!

They also have Manson and and Byram injured on the backend. So maybe. I certainly wouldn't write them off right now.



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The Ducks broadcast tonight said the Devils have never had a 100 point player. Which is crazy considering the 80s existed.

1	Patrik Elias	96	2000–01
2	Zach Parise	94	2008–09
3	Kirk Muller	94	1987–88
4	Taylor Hall  93		2017–18
5	Brian Gionta	89	2005–06


Jack Hughes is at 51 in 42.



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CrusaderPi wrote on Fri, 13 January 2023 22:25

The Ducks broadcast tonight said the Devils have never had a 100 point player. Which is crazy considering the 80s existed.

1	Patrik Elias	96	2000–01
2	Zach Parise	94	2008–09
3	Kirk Muller	94	1987–88
4	Taylor Hall  93		2017–18
5	Brian Gionta	89	2005–06


Jack Hughes is at 51 in 42.


Somebody once told me the Devils were a real Mickey Mouse organization in the 80s.

Then the took all the fun out of hockey with the trap in the 90s and 00s. Kovalchuk is the only high end offence guy they've ever had.



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CrusaderPi wrote on Fri, 13 January 2023 23:25

The Ducks broadcast tonight said the Devils have never had a 100 point player. Which is crazy considering the 80s existed.

1	Patrik Elias	96	2000–01
2	Zach Parise	94	2008–09
3	Kirk Muller	94	1987–88
4	Taylor Hall  93		2017–18
5	Brian Gionta	89	2005–06


Jack Hughes is at 51 in 42.


Is it that crazy? I would guess there are 6 or 7 teams that have never had a 100 point guy. There is a good chance that none have been in the league as long as NJ but not many teams are as lucky as the Oilers when it comes to high end offence.

Off the top of my head I would guess the Hurricanes, Jackets, Preds, Coyotes, Stars would likely nor have one. Seattle and Vegas we wont count.
There are a few more I would bet had their first in the last few years with the scoring spike. I Am pretty sure I heard Kaprizov was the first ever 100 point wild player. Huberdeau in FLA may have been the first?



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https://thehockeynews.com/news/franchise-leaders-who-owns-th e-single-season-scoring-record-for-all-31-nhl-teams#:~:text= Edmonton%20Oilers%3A%20Wayne%20Gretzky%2C%20215%20points%20( 1985%2D86)&text=Gretzky%20owns%20the%20four%20highest,ni ne%20of%20the%20top%2011.

The answer is 7 5:

Florida, NJ, CBJ, Nashville, Minnesota, Vegas, and Seattle

Some fun facts:
The Hurricanes / Whalers record is 105 points Mike Rogers 1980 and 81; Eric Stall hts 100 in 2006 angryfire
Blue Jackets record: 88 points from Artemi Panarin 2019
Perds record: 96 points from Roman Josi 2022. Matt Duchene had 86 last year, their previous best was Paul Kariya in 2006. Remember Kariya as a Perd?
Coyotes (not Jets) record: 86 points from Keith Tkachuk in 1997; The franchise record is Teemu hitting 132 in 1993
North Stars / Stars record: 114 points from Bobby Smith in 1982 (no one in Dallas has hit 93)
Minnesota Wild: 83 points form Marian Gaborik in 2008 Kaprizov
Gretzky has two high scores in Edmonton and LA
The Caps record is Denis Maruk. No really.
The longest standing team record is Phil Esposito in Boston. 152 in 1971

So I guess it isn't that uncommon is somewhat uncommon. Especially for teams that played in the 80s.

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CrusaderPi wrote on Fri, 13 January 2023 23:27

https://thehockeynews.com/news/franchise-leaders-who-owns-th e-single-season-scoring-record-for-all-31-nhl-teams#:~:text= Edmonton%20Oilers%3A%20Wayne%20Gretzky%2C%20215%20points%20( 1985%2D86)&text=Gretzky%20owns%20the%20four%20highest,ni ne%20of%20the%20top%2011.

The answer is 7:

Florida, NJ, CBJ, Nashville, Minnesota, Vegas, and Seattle

Some fun facts:
The Hurricanes / Whalers record is 105 points Mike Rogers 1980 and 81; Eric Stall hts 100 in 2006 angryfire
Blue Jackets record: 88 points from Artemi Panarin 2019
Perds record: 96 points from Roman Josi 2022. Matt Duchene had 86 last year, their previous best was Paul Kariya in 2006. Remember Kariya as a Perd?
Coyotes (not Jets) record: 86 points from Keith Tkachuk in 1997; The franchise record is Teemu hitting 132 in 1993
North Stars / Stars record: 114 points from Bobby Smith in 1982 (no one in Dallas has hit 93)
Minnesota Wild: 83 points form Marian Gaborik in 2008
Gretzky has two high scores in Edmonton and LA
The Caps record is Denis Maruk. No really.
The longest standing team record is Phil Esposito in Boston. 152 in 1971

So I guess it isn't that uncommon. Except for teams that played in the 80s.


Kaprizov got 108 last year. Huberdeau got 115 last year. Florida and Minnesota are off the list.



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Babaganoosh2.0 wrote on Fri, 13 January 2023 23:38

CrusaderPi wrote on Fri, 13 January 2023 23:27

https://thehockeynews.com/news/franchise-leaders-who-owns-th e-single-season-scoring-record-for-all-31-nhl-teams#:~:text= Edmonton%20Oilers%3A%20Wayne%20Gretzky%2C%20215%20points%20( 1985%2D86)&text=Gretzky%20owns%20the%20four%20highest,ni ne%20of%20the%20top%2011.

The answer is 7:

Florida, NJ, CBJ, Nashville, Minnesota, Vegas, and Seattle

Some fun facts:
The Hurricanes / Whalers record is 105 points Mike Rogers 1980 and 81; Eric Stall hts 100 in 2006 angryfire
Blue Jackets record: 88 points from Artemi Panarin 2019
Perds record: 96 points from Roman Josi 2022. Matt Duchene had 86 last year, their previous best was Paul Kariya in 2006. Remember Kariya as a Perd?
Coyotes (not Jets) record: 86 points from Keith Tkachuk in 1997; The franchise record is Teemu hitting 132 in 1993
North Stars / Stars record: 114 points from Bobby Smith in 1982 (no one in Dallas has hit 93)
Minnesota Wild: 83 points form Marian Gaborik in 2008
Gretzky has two high scores in Edmonton and LA
The Caps record is Denis Maruk. No really.
The longest standing team record is Phil Esposito in Boston. 152 in 1971

So I guess it isn't that uncommon. Except for teams that played in the 80s.


Kaprizov got 108 last year. Huberdeau got 115 last year. Florida and Minnesota are off the list.


Stupid failing memory and articles from 2020.



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CrusaderPi wrote on Sat, 14 January 2023 00:03

Babaganoosh2.0 wrote on Fri, 13 January 2023 23:38

CrusaderPi wrote on Fri, 13 January 2023 23:27

https://thehockeynews.com/news/franchise-leaders-who-owns-th e-single-season-scoring-record-for-all-31-nhl-teams#:~:text= Edmonton%20Oilers%3A%20Wayne%20Gretzky%2C%20215%20points%20( 1985%2D86)&text=Gretzky%20owns%20the%20four%20highest,ni ne%20of%20the%20top%2011.

The answer is 7:

Florida, NJ, CBJ, Nashville, Minnesota, Vegas, and Seattle

Some fun facts:
The Hurricanes / Whalers record is 105 points Mike Rogers 1980 and 81; Eric Stall hts 100 in 2006 angryfire
Blue Jackets record: 88 points from Artemi Panarin 2019
Perds record: 96 points from Roman Josi 2022. Matt Duchene had 86 last year, their previous best was Paul Kariya in 2006. Remember Kariya as a Perd?
Coyotes (not Jets) record: 86 points from Keith Tkachuk in 1997; The franchise record is Teemu hitting 132 in 1993
North Stars / Stars record: 114 points from Bobby Smith in 1982 (no one in Dallas has hit 93)
Minnesota Wild: 83 points form Marian Gaborik in 2008
Gretzky has two high scores in Edmonton and LA
The Caps record is Denis Maruk. No really.
The longest standing team record is Phil Esposito in Boston. 152 in 1971

So I guess it isn't that uncommon. Except for teams that played in the 80s.


Kaprizov got 108 last year. Huberdeau got 115 last year. Florida and Minnesota are off the list.


Stupid failing memory and articles from 2020.


Wont be the first person to refence old material and post something inaccurate. Just fun to to watch when it isnt me for once.



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They hinted at this in tonight's broadcast, but it's wild that in the current top 10 scorers in the NHL there are only 2 Canadians and they're both Oilers (McDavid, Nugent-Hopkins). There's four Americans (Robertson, Thompson, Connor, Tkachuk), a German (Draisaitl), a Russian (Kucherov), a Czech (Pasternak), and a Swede (Karlsson).

Are the Americans truly catching up to us? I'm almost sure they've got the better goalies.



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They hinted at this in tonight's broadcast, but it's wild that in the current top 10 scorers in the NHL there are only 2 Canadians and they're both Oilers (McDavid, Nugent-Hopkins). There's four Americans (Robertson, Thompson, Connor, Tkachuk), a German (Draisaitl), a Russian (Kucherov), a Czech (Pasternak), and a Swede (Karlsson).

Are the Americans truly catching up to us? I'm almost sure they've got the better goalies.


Most definitely, and it’s not going to get better for Canada.

Canada has a major goalie development problem for sure. Even when we were strong in that department, we relied on Quebec for so much of our elite names but we seemed to have milked that cow dry. Last season the only Canadian to get a Vezina vote (as in literally one), was Tristan Jarry. It looks bleak.

We have a strong defense, led by Makar but USA is strong there too with McAvoy and Fox.

We have unmatched center depth, especially in 2 way centers with Crosby and Bergeron. Once those guys retire, Matthews is probably the next best elite 2 way center on either squad.

It would be nice if our country’s recent top picks started panning out. Lafreniere’s looking more and more like a mishandled bust. Owen Power has a bright future, but Luke Hughes is going to give him a run in his draft year. But we will have Bedard coming soon.

We may not be the favourite at our next Olympics or World Cup. We might have the better forward group. Goaltending could really push us down.







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smyth260 wrote on Sat, 14 January 2023 07:02

benv wrote on Sat, 14 January 2023 02:11

They hinted at this in tonight's broadcast, but it's wild that in the current top 10 scorers in the NHL there are only 2 Canadians and they're both Oilers (McDavid, Nugent-Hopkins). There's four Americans (Robertson, Thompson, Connor, Tkachuk), a German (Draisaitl), a Russian (Kucherov), a Czech (Pasternak), and a Swede (Karlsson).

Are the Americans truly catching up to us? I'm almost sure they've got the better goalies.


Most definitely, and it’s not going to get better for Canada.

Canada has a major goalie development problem for sure. Even when we were strong in that department, we relied on Quebec for so much of our elite names but we seemed to have milked that cow dry. Last season the only Canadian to get a Vezina vote (as in literally one), was Tristan Jarry. It looks bleak.

We have a strong defense, led by Makar but USA is strong there too with McAvoy and Fox.

We have unmatched center depth, especially in 2 way centers with Crosby and Bergeron. Once those guys retire, Matthews is probably the next best elite 2 way center on either squad.

It would be nice if our country’s recent top picks started panning out. Lafreniere’s looking more and more like a mishandled bust. Owen Power has a bright future, but Luke Hughes is going to give him a run in his draft year. But we will have Bedard coming soon.

We may not be the favourite at our next Olympics or World Cup. We might have the better forward group. Goaltending could really push us down.



I think it's all overblown. There's some great players from other countries, but we are still developing the best. Bedard steps in as Crosby steps out.

As for Lafreniere, I think people expect too much from teenagers. We're seeing with a couple of guys like Hughes and Hischier - just because they aren't immediately huge producers, doesn't mean they're not going to pan out. Some of these guys in the top ten are great examples of guys who took a little while - Tage Thompson, Jason Robertson - they weren't lighting up the league at 18...still pretty good it turns out.



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Adam wrote on Sat, 14 January 2023 21:04

smyth260 wrote on Sat, 14 January 2023 07:02

benv wrote on Sat, 14 January 2023 02:11

They hinted at this in tonight's broadcast, but it's wild that in the current top 10 scorers in the NHL there are only 2 Canadians and they're both Oilers (McDavid, Nugent-Hopkins). There's four Americans (Robertson, Thompson, Connor, Tkachuk), a German (Draisaitl), a Russian (Kucherov), a Czech (Pasternak), and a Swede (Karlsson).

Are the Americans truly catching up to us? I'm almost sure they've got the better goalies.


Most definitely, and it’s not going to get better for Canada.

Canada has a major goalie development problem for sure. Even when we were strong in that department, we relied on Quebec for so much of our elite names but we seemed to have milked that cow dry. Last season the only Canadian to get a Vezina vote (as in literally one), was Tristan Jarry. It looks bleak.

We have a strong defense, led by Makar but USA is strong there too with McAvoy and Fox.

We have unmatched center depth, especially in 2 way centers with Crosby and Bergeron. Once those guys retire, Matthews is probably the next best elite 2 way center on either squad.

It would be nice if our country’s recent top picks started panning out. Lafreniere’s looking more and more like a mishandled bust. Owen Power has a bright future, but Luke Hughes is going to give him a run in his draft year. But we will have Bedard coming soon.

We may not be the favourite at our next Olympics or World Cup. We might have the better forward group. Goaltending could really push us down.



I think it's all overblown. There's some great players from other countries, but we are still developing the best. Bedard steps in as Crosby steps out.

As for Lafreniere, I think people expect too much from teenagers. We're seeing with a couple of guys like Hughes and Hischier - just because they aren't immediately huge producers, doesn't mean they're not going to pan out. Some of these guys in the top ten are great examples of guys who took a little while - Tage Thompson, Jason Robertson - they weren't lighting up the league at 18...still pretty good it turns out.


I mean it's just a numbers game right.

2011-12: 525 Canadian players suited up for a game. 235 Americans => 2.23 Canadians for every 1 American.

Then expansion adds 46 more NHL roster spots...

2021-22: 485 Canadians to 317 Americans => 1.52 Canadians for every 1 American.

We still have the lead but the gap is closing.

Stats taken from here: https://www.quanthockey.com/nhl/nationality-totals/nhl-playe rs-2021-22-stats.html



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smyth260 wrote on Sat, 14 January 2023 22:43

Adam wrote on Sat, 14 January 2023 21:04

smyth260 wrote on Sat, 14 January 2023 07:02

benv wrote on Sat, 14 January 2023 02:11

They hinted at this in tonight's broadcast, but it's wild that in the current top 10 scorers in the NHL there are only 2 Canadians and they're both Oilers (McDavid, Nugent-Hopkins). There's four Americans (Robertson, Thompson, Connor, Tkachuk), a German (Draisaitl), a Russian (Kucherov), a Czech (Pasternak), and a Swede (Karlsson).

Are the Americans truly catching up to us? I'm almost sure they've got the better goalies.


Most definitely, and it’s not going to get better for Canada.

Canada has a major goalie development problem for sure. Even when we were strong in that department, we relied on Quebec for so much of our elite names but we seemed to have milked that cow dry. Last season the only Canadian to get a Vezina vote (as in literally one), was Tristan Jarry. It looks bleak.

We have a strong defense, led by Makar but USA is strong there too with McAvoy and Fox.

We have unmatched center depth, especially in 2 way centers with Crosby and Bergeron. Once those guys retire, Matthews is probably the next best elite 2 way center on either squad.

It would be nice if our country’s recent top picks started panning out. Lafreniere’s looking more and more like a mishandled bust. Owen Power has a bright future, but Luke Hughes is going to give him a run in his draft year. But we will have Bedard coming soon.

We may not be the favourite at our next Olympics or World Cup. We might have the better forward group. Goaltending could really push us down.



I think it's all overblown. There's some great players from other countries, but we are still developing the best. Bedard steps in as Crosby steps out.

As for Lafreniere, I think people expect too much from teenagers. We're seeing with a couple of guys like Hughes and Hischier - just because they aren't immediately huge producers, doesn't mean they're not going to pan out. Some of these guys in the top ten are great examples of guys who took a little while - Tage Thompson, Jason Robertson - they weren't lighting up the league at 18...still pretty good it turns out.


I mean it's just a numbers game right.

2011-12: 525 Canadian players suited up for a game. 235 Americans => 2.23 Canadians for every 1 American.

Then expansion adds 46 more NHL roster spots...

2021-22: 485 Canadians to 317 Americans => 1.52 Canadians for every 1 American.

We still have the lead but the gap is closing.

Stats taken from here: https://www.quanthockey.com/nhl/nationality-totals/nhl-playe rs-2021-22-stats.html

Canada won't be a hockey country forever. In two generations we've gone from basically every boy playing hockey into their teens to it becoming a game for a small group of people. Eventually we'll price ourselves out of it and hockey simply won't be a focus.



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CrusaderPi wrote on Sun, 15 January 2023 00:37

smyth260 wrote on Sat, 14 January 2023 22:43

Adam wrote on Sat, 14 January 2023 21:04

smyth260 wrote on Sat, 14 January 2023 07:02

benv wrote on Sat, 14 January 2023 02:11

They hinted at this in tonight's broadcast, but it's wild that in the current top 10 scorers in the NHL there are only 2 Canadians and they're both Oilers (McDavid, Nugent-Hopkins). There's four Americans (Robertson, Thompson, Connor, Tkachuk), a German (Draisaitl), a Russian (Kucherov), a Czech (Pasternak), and a Swede (Karlsson).

Are the Americans truly catching up to us? I'm almost sure they've got the better goalies.


Most definitely, and it’s not going to get better for Canada.

Canada has a major goalie development problem for sure. Even when we were strong in that department, we relied on Quebec for so much of our elite names but we seemed to have milked that cow dry. Last season the only Canadian to get a Vezina vote (as in literally one), was Tristan Jarry. It looks bleak.

We have a strong defense, led by Makar but USA is strong there too with McAvoy and Fox.

We have unmatched center depth, especially in 2 way centers with Crosby and Bergeron. Once those guys retire, Matthews is probably the next best elite 2 way center on either squad.

It would be nice if our country’s recent top picks started panning out. Lafreniere’s looking more and more like a mishandled bust. Owen Power has a bright future, but Luke Hughes is going to give him a run in his draft year. But we will have Bedard coming soon.

We may not be the favourite at our next Olympics or World Cup. We might have the better forward group. Goaltending could really push us down.



I think it's all overblown. There's some great players from other countries, but we are still developing the best. Bedard steps in as Crosby steps out.

As for Lafreniere, I think people expect too much from teenagers. We're seeing with a couple of guys like Hughes and Hischier - just because they aren't immediately huge producers, doesn't mean they're not going to pan out. Some of these guys in the top ten are great examples of guys who took a little while - Tage Thompson, Jason Robertson - they weren't lighting up the league at 18...still pretty good it turns out.


I mean it's just a numbers game right.

2011-12: 525 Canadian players suited up for a game. 235 Americans => 2.23 Canadians for every 1 American.

Then expansion adds 46 more NHL roster spots...

2021-22: 485 Canadians to 317 Americans => 1.52 Canadians for every 1 American.

We still have the lead but the gap is closing.

Stats taken from here: https://www.quanthockey.com/nhl/nationality-totals/nhl-playe rs-2021-22-stats.html

Canada won't be a hockey country forever. In two generations we've gone from basically every boy playing hockey into their teens to it becoming a game for a small group of people. Eventually we'll price ourselves out of it and hockey simply won't be a focus.


Nothing to do with money. Should have a pretty good National soccer team soon though.


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Breaking news:

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Breaking news:

Robin Lehner has filed for bankruptcy because of a snake farm.


Mainly because his snake breeding expert was murdered by his wife. Bizarre story



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CrusaderPi wrote on Sun, 15 January 2023 16:32

Breaking news:

Robin Lehner has filed for bankruptcy because of a snake farm.


Mainly because his snake breeding expert was murdered by his wife. Bizarre story

And her ex-boyfriend.

https://nypost.com/2023/01/14/ex-islanders-goaltender-files- robin-lehner-for-bankruptcy/

Quote:

The bankruptcy stems from an exotic snake farm the veteran goaltender purchased in 2017. That year, Lehner bought a $1.2 million collection of exotic snakes from a man named Ben Renick. A few months later, Renick was murdered by his wife and her ex-boyfriend.



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CrusaderPi wrote on Sun, 15 January 2023 16:52

Babaganoosh2.0 wrote on Sun, 15 January 2023 16:47

CrusaderPi wrote on Sun, 15 January 2023 16:32

Breaking news:

Robin Lehner has filed for bankruptcy because of a snake farm.


Mainly because his snake breeding expert was murdered by his wife. Bizarre story

And her ex-boyfriend.

https://nypost.com/2023/01/14/ex-islanders-goaltender-files- robin-lehner-for-bankruptcy/

Quote:

The bankruptcy stems from an exotic snake farm the veteran goaltender purchased in 2017. That year, Lehner bought a $1.2 million collection of exotic snakes from a man named Ben Renick. A few months later, Renick was murdered by his wife and her ex-boyfriend.



Life of an aspiring exotic snake farmer. Sometimes you make it. Sometimes your sales guy gets murdered by your wife.

As far as I know those are the 2 possible outcomes



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Kr55 wrote on Sun, 15 January 2023 17:28

CrusaderPi wrote on Sun, 15 January 2023 16:52

Babaganoosh2.0 wrote on Sun, 15 January 2023 16:47

CrusaderPi wrote on Sun, 15 January 2023 16:32

Breaking news:

Robin Lehner has filed for bankruptcy because of a snake farm.


Mainly because his snake breeding expert was murdered by his wife. Bizarre story

And her ex-boyfriend.

https://nypost.com/2023/01/14/ex-islanders-goaltender-files- robin-lehner-for-bankruptcy/

Quote:

The bankruptcy stems from an exotic snake farm the veteran goaltender purchased in 2017. That year, Lehner bought a $1.2 million collection of exotic snakes from a man named Ben Renick. A few months later, Renick was murdered by his wife and her ex-boyfriend.



Life of an aspiring exotic snake farmer. Sometimes you make it. Sometimes your sales guy gets murdered by your wife.

As far as I know those are the 2 possible outcomes

Hey, it's a cliché for a reason.




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CrusaderPi wrote on Sun, 15 January 2023 17:45

Kr55 wrote on Sun, 15 January 2023 17:28

CrusaderPi wrote on Sun, 15 January 2023 16:52

Babaganoosh2.0 wrote on Sun, 15 January 2023 16:47

CrusaderPi wrote on Sun, 15 January 2023 16:32

Breaking news:

Robin Lehner has filed for bankruptcy because of a snake farm.


Mainly because his snake breeding expert was murdered by his wife. Bizarre story

And her ex-boyfriend.

https://nypost.com/2023/01/14/ex-islanders-goaltender-files- robin-lehner-for-bankruptcy/

Quote:

The bankruptcy stems from an exotic snake farm the veteran goaltender purchased in 2017. That year, Lehner bought a $1.2 million collection of exotic snakes from a man named Ben Renick. A few months later, Renick was murdered by his wife and her ex-boyfriend.



Life of an aspiring exotic snake farmer. Sometimes you make it. Sometimes your sales guy gets murdered by your wife.

As far as I know those are the 2 possible outcomes

Hey, it's a cliché for a reason.




So many bizarre twists in that story:

- after the murder of the former owner, the snakes started breeding uncontrollably, which led to a lot more snakes and much greater costs?

- Also after the death, Lehner stopped paying the estate the owed money, and may have pilfered some snakes from the collection that he ostensibly owns?

- Lehner suggests that his liabilities are now potentially FIVE times his $10MM of assets!?!?

The whole story is nuts, but it's definitely a cautionary tale about making large investments in to the exotic snake market in Missouri.



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The biggest issue from the unauthorized snake screwing apparently is that all snakes were screwing with the wrong snakes ruining the value of the exotic collection. Seems avoidable but I honestly have no idea how hard it is to get a snake to wear a rubber. Seems straight forward and familiar but I'm sure there is a minutiae I fail to grasp for lack of a better term.

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The biggest issue from the unauthorized snake screwing apparently is that all snakes were screwing with the wrong snakes ruining the value of the exotic collection. Seems avoidable but I honestly have no idea how hard it is to get a snake to wear a rubber. Seems straight forward and familiar but I'm sure there is a minutiae I fail to grasp for lack of a better term.

Not grasping the minutiae is the problem.



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CrusaderPi wrote on Mon, 16 January 2023 13:11

Babaganoosh2.0 wrote on Mon, 16 January 2023 13:00

The biggest issue from the unauthorized snake screwing apparently is that all snakes were screwing with the wrong snakes ruining the value of the exotic collection. Seems avoidable but I honestly have no idea how hard it is to get a snake to wear a rubber. Seems straight forward and familiar but I'm sure there is a minutiae I fail to grasp for lack of a better term.

Not grasping the minutiae is the problem.

Boy this story sent me down a rabbit hole. Apparently snakes have two ding dongs and a gestation period of 25 to 45 days. Easy to see how this got out hand so fast.



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Babaganoosh2.0 wrote on Mon, 16 January 2023 13:36

CrusaderPi wrote on Mon, 16 January 2023 13:11

Babaganoosh2.0 wrote on Mon, 16 January 2023 13:00

The biggest issue from the unauthorized snake screwing apparently is that all snakes were screwing with the wrong snakes ruining the value of the exotic collection. Seems avoidable but I honestly have no idea how hard it is to get a snake to wear a rubber. Seems straight forward and familiar but I'm sure there is a minutiae I fail to grasp for lack of a better term.

Not grasping the minutiae is the problem.

Boy this story sent me down a rabbit hole. Apparently snakes have two ding dongs and a gestation period of 25 to 45 days. Easy to see how this got out hand so fast.


Wonder what kind of chirps Lehner can look forward to if/when he is playing again. Maybe if he starts on the road in the playoffs fans can all throw fake snakes onto the ice?



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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 16 January 2023 15:23

Babaganoosh2.0 wrote on Mon, 16 January 2023 13:36

CrusaderPi wrote on Mon, 16 January 2023 13:11

Babaganoosh2.0 wrote on Mon, 16 January 2023 13:00

The biggest issue from the unauthorized snake screwing apparently is that all snakes were screwing with the wrong snakes ruining the value of the exotic collection. Seems avoidable but I honestly have no idea how hard it is to get a snake to wear a rubber. Seems straight forward and familiar but I'm sure there is a minutiae I fail to grasp for lack of a better term.

Not grasping the minutiae is the problem.

Boy this story sent me down a rabbit hole. Apparently snakes have two ding dongs and a gestation period of 25 to 45 days. Easy to see how this got out hand so fast.


Wonder what kind of chirps Lehner can look forward to if/when he is playing again. Maybe if he starts on the road in the playoffs fans can all throw fake snakes onto the ice?


Lehner is a weird, weird dude...and really loves his snakes. Remember this?

https://www.reviewjournal.com/sports/goldenknights/robin-leh ner-looks-for-snakes-in-mark-stones-backyard-during-party-24 47117/



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benv wrote on Sat, 14 January 2023 03:11

They hinted at this in tonight's broadcast, but it's wild that in the current top 10 scorers in the NHL there are only 2 Canadians and they're both Oilers (McDavid, Nugent-Hopkins). There's four Americans (Robertson, Thompson, Connor, Tkachuk), a German (Draisaitl), a Russian (Kucherov), a Czech (Pasternak), and a Swede (Karlsson).

Are the Americans truly catching up to us? I'm almost sure they've got the better goalies.


I think it's probably inevitable as the American pool of talent should grow, and I don't see how Canada's could be growing or growing at the same rate. The BS with Hockey Canada probably isn't helping guide new kids into programs.



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Provorov refused to wear the pride jersey for the Flyers warmup. Cancel coming his way? Future Oiler?


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Provorov refused to wear the pride jersey for the Flyers warmup. Cancel coming his way? Future Oiler?

Its his right. I wouldn't either. Big difference between having tolerance and having to accept it. He has different beliefs. Deal with it. Other people need not participate in someone else self image anyway. This wokeness being pushed down peoples throats is just going to lead to resentment in the long run.

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Provorov refused to wear the pride jersey for the Flyers warmup. Cancel coming his way? Future Oiler?

Its his right. I wouldn't either. Big difference between having tolerance and having to accept it. He has different beliefs. Deal with it. Other people need not participate in someone else self image anyway. This wokeness being pushed down peoples throats is just going to lead to resentment in the long run.


Guess this org and teammates can deal with it as they please. Don't think it should be surprising if he's put his job at some risk, since he's making his millions playing a game that needs fan support to keep cash rolling in. Maybe some org gets him on the cheap :)



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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 17 January 2023 22:26

Babaganoosh2.0 wrote on Tue, 17 January 2023 22:17

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 17 January 2023 20:46

Provorov refused to wear the pride jersey for the Flyers warmup. Cancel coming his way? Future Oiler?

Its his right. I wouldn't either. Big difference between having tolerance and having to accept it. He has different beliefs. Deal with it. Other people need not participate in someone else self image anyway. This wokeness being pushed down peoples throats is just going to lead to resentment in the long run.


Guess this org and teammates can deal with it as they please. Don't think it should be surprising if he's put his job at some risk, since he's making his millions playing a game that needs fan support to keep cash rolling in. Maybe some org gets him on the cheap :)

Fans dont care about it. The media just harps endlessly about stupid crap nowadays. Bigger things in the world. I dont care what twitter thinks about anything. It isnt news. Just narrative. God I miss the days before all this junk.



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Babaganoosh2.0 wrote on Tue, 17 January 2023 23:24

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 17 January 2023 22:26

Babaganoosh2.0 wrote on Tue, 17 January 2023 22:17

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 17 January 2023 20:46

Provorov refused to wear the pride jersey for the Flyers warmup. Cancel coming his way? Future Oiler?

Its his right. I wouldn't either. Big difference between having tolerance and having to accept it. He has different beliefs. Deal with it. Other people need not participate in someone else self image anyway. This wokeness being pushed down peoples throats is just going to lead to resentment in the long run.


Guess this org and teammates can deal with it as they please. Don't think it should be surprising if he's put his job at some risk, since he's making his millions playing a game that needs fan support to keep cash rolling in. Maybe some org gets him on the cheap :)

Fans dont care about it. The media just harps endlessly about stupid crap nowadays. Bigger things in the world. I dont care what twitter thinks about anything. It isnt news. Just narrative. God I miss the days before all this junk.


The NHL does have a history of jocks running the show, and a history of exclusion and treating people terribly because they are a certain way. I think Provorov might be making his role in this more than it is. Just the idea of hockey being inclusive can be taken on a very basic level that anyone can play no matter what they are/what they believe. NHL has been taking this message seriously because of some gross things exposed in their league and in the hockey world in general. Didn't actually catch what he was against, the idea hockey is for everyone? Or just can't risk god's wrath that he might look like he supports people that aren't straight?



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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 17 January 2023 23:57

Babaganoosh2.0 wrote on Tue, 17 January 2023 23:24

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 17 January 2023 22:26

Babaganoosh2.0 wrote on Tue, 17 January 2023 22:17

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 17 January 2023 20:46

Provorov refused to wear the pride jersey for the Flyers warmup. Cancel coming his way? Future Oiler?

Its his right. I wouldn't either. Big difference between having tolerance and having to accept it. He has different beliefs. Deal with it. Other people need not participate in someone else self image anyway. This wokeness being pushed down peoples throats is just going to lead to resentment in the long run.


Guess this org and teammates can deal with it as they please. Don't think it should be surprising if he's put his job at some risk, since he's making his millions playing a game that needs fan support to keep cash rolling in. Maybe some org gets him on the cheap :)

Fans dont care about it. The media just harps endlessly about stupid crap nowadays. Bigger things in the world. I dont care what twitter thinks about anything. It isnt news. Just narrative. God I miss the days before all this junk.


The NHL does have a history of jocks running the show, and a history of exclusion and treating people terribly because they are a certain way. I think Provorov might be making his role in this more than it is. Just the idea of hockey being inclusive can be taken on a very basic level that anyone can play no matter what they are/what they believe. NHL has been taking this message seriously because of some gross things exposed in their league and in the hockey world in general. Didn't actually catch what he was against, the idea hockey is for everyone? Or just can't risk god's wrath that he might look like he supports people that aren't straight?

Hard to see how any of that’s changed. Provorov’s problem is the way he thinks and his last name.



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CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 18 January 2023 00:03

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 17 January 2023 23:57

Babaganoosh2.0 wrote on Tue, 17 January 2023 23:24

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 17 January 2023 22:26

Babaganoosh2.0 wrote on Tue, 17 January 2023 22:17

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 17 January 2023 20:46

Provorov refused to wear the pride jersey for the Flyers warmup. Cancel coming his way? Future Oiler?

Its his right. I wouldn't either. Big difference between having tolerance and having to accept it. He has different beliefs. Deal with it. Other people need not participate in someone else self image anyway. This wokeness being pushed down peoples throats is just going to lead to resentment in the long run.


Guess this org and teammates can deal with it as they please. Don't think it should be surprising if he's put his job at some risk, since he's making his millions playing a game that needs fan support to keep cash rolling in. Maybe some org gets him on the cheap :)

Fans dont care about it. The media just harps endlessly about stupid crap nowadays. Bigger things in the world. I dont care what twitter thinks about anything. It isnt news. Just narrative. God I miss the days before all this junk.


The NHL does have a history of jocks running the show, and a history of exclusion and treating people terribly because they are a certain way. I think Provorov might be making his role in this more than it is. Just the idea of hockey being inclusive can be taken on a very basic level that anyone can play no matter what they are/what they believe. NHL has been taking this message seriously because of some gross things exposed in their league and in the hockey world in general. Didn't actually catch what he was against, the idea hockey is for everyone? Or just can't risk god's wrath that he might look like he supports people that aren't straight?

Hard to see how any of that’s changed. Provorov’s problem is the way he thinks and his last name.


Yes, inconvenient time for a super Russian name.

Is he thinking that hard? I'm wondering if wokeness wasn't so much a thing now if just the simple harmless gesture he was asked to make would have been easy to do. But, the counter to wokeisms now is that reactive need to counter it, and of course religion is always a convenient way through things. The NHL has an actual image issue, so not sure the "wokeness" here is that excessive, they actually need to spread a message through their ranks to not have the next kinda/not really dynasty look like crap.

Sure Provy will be OK, citing religion and all. Hopefully we don't end up with a player citing his radical islamic believe to refuses to participate in some event about just women being more involved in hockey. That guy would definitely be in some serious crap :)


Just to note, I wasn't previously aware that one of the most prominent people in Provorov's religion actually clearly talked about pride parades last year

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/in-sermon-russian-church-lea der-kirill-links-ukraine-war-with-gay-pride-parade-2812228

Possibly adds a bit of context

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