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3-0 & we haven't played a good game yet, so I guess that's something.


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All according to plan!

Bouch looks so good out there. Coulda used this player last year. Also would have been nice to have known what we had with him a bit last year to in order to make better decisions in the summer.

But, oh well!!



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Woof. First game against a non-Canadian Team in like 60 games wasn't good. Take the points and head to the desert.


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Another ugly 2 points. Love it. This team should be better, but we have bit seen it yet. Need to take advantage of this weak schedule to start the season and build on it.

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 Re: Review: Anaheim @ Edmonton (Game #3) [message #793209 is a reply to message #793206 ]
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Keith and Ceci are not great in their own zone, but I find they’re decent at moving the puck up, and pretty good on pinches to keep it alive in the o-zone.

3 games in, Bouchard >>> Barrie. I’ll never understand not playing him last year to at least get a better look at what we had, if not help us in the playoffs. I’m not sour on Barrie. He’s still an NHLer, and the contract is not brutal. And even if Bouchard does supplant him both on the top line and PP1, he would still be great injury protection as a PP specialist at least. But crazy that not even 3 games in and a guy who couldn’t even get in to games a few months ago is well on his way to replacing one of our incumbent top pair D.

I love this forward group. Has to be the best set of Oilers forwards since the 80s. That top line is awesome obviously, but I still feel that with all the guys we have there would be ways to ice at least 3 effective lines. Jesse will be a stud. Hyman is way better than I remember seeing him in Toronto. He’s great. Kassian looking really good, even without the goals scored. Seems more engaged. And what about Turris? Someone give him a heart transplant in the off-season? Looking like a completely different player. Hope he keeps it up.

As for the goalies - not the best game by Smith, and another one by Koskinen high glove. If this is the tandem we’re going into the playoffs with, I think we’ll need to outscore our problems as often as not.

Anyway - 3-0! Yay!

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 Re: Review: Anaheim @ Edmonton (Game #3) [message #793214 is a reply to message #793199 ]
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Barrie is an absolute mess and has to be moved down only problem is we have no one to put in that spot. Bouch is still too inexperienced IMO. Turris is a lost cause as well. I think that the the Keith/Ceci has been much better than expected as has goal tending. This team will do great in regular season but until they learn how to defend they will be out of the playoffs quickly again.


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Mullet wrote on Wed, 20 October 2021 11:04

Barrie is an absolute mess and has to be moved down only problem is we have no one to put in that spot. Bouch is still too inexperienced IMO. Turris is a lost cause as well. I think that the the Keith/Ceci has been much better than expected as has goal tending. This team will do great in regular season but until they learn how to defend they will be out of the playoffs quickly again.


I thought Turris looked pretty good the last few games, but advanced stats for him aren't very good. Maybe a couple of good plays are colouring my impression of his game in a better light than they should.

As for Barrie - He was 5th in total TOI for Dmen with 4:47 in PP time. Miles behind the 4 others in EV TOI, only ahead of Koekkoek (who I thought looked as good or better than Barrie at EV). Doesn't seem the coach is a huge fan of his play thus far either.



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 Re: Review: Anaheim @ Edmonton (Game #3) [message #793216 is a reply to message #793215 ]
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Not a work of art but they won. 3-0 is exactly the start they would have wanted so I will take it any way they can get it. They are finding ways to win while not playing their best which I am choosing to see as a bit of a positive because it means in my opinion, if they play better, they should win easier. Good teams find ways to win even when they aren't at their best.

Barrie looks like he did to start off last year. Sputtering but he found his game so I hope that's the same this year.

Kassian looks like a different player, the guy from a few years ago. I am loving that 3rd line. Foggele is great.

Bouchard is looking GREAT!! 3 games only but he's looking like the dman I'd hoped they would be getting when they drafted him. Almost killed the goal with his shot. icon_biggrin

Yamo, I am not sure what they should do. This isn't just 3 games this season, this goes back into last year where his playoffs were lousy and he scored 1 goal in 26 games.

Sloppy play especially by the forwards but it can be cleaned up.

I thought they should have started Koskinen. I get why he went with Smith because he was playing so well but I didn't think Smith was at his best. I don't think there was a "bad goal" but a couple where I thought a save was needed.

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 Re: Review: Anaheim @ Edmonton (Game #3) [message #793220 is a reply to message #793216 ]
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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 20 October 2021 07:35

Not a work of art but they won. 3-0 is exactly the start they would have wanted so I will take it any way they can get it. They are finding ways to win while not playing their best which I am choosing to see as a bit of a positive because it means in my opinion, if they play better, they should win easier. Good teams find ways to win even when they aren't at their best.

Barrie looks like he did to start off last year. Sputtering but he found his game so I hope that's the same this year.

Kassian looks like a different player, the guy from a few years ago. I am loving that 3rd line. Foggele is great.

Bouchard is looking GREAT!! 3 games only but he's looking like the dman I'd hoped they would be getting when they drafted him. Almost killed the goal with his shot. icon_biggrin

Yamo, I am not sure what they should do. This isn't just 3 games this season, this goes back into last year where his playoffs were lousy and he scored 1 goal in 26 games.

Sloppy play especially by the forwards but it can be cleaned up.

I thought they should have started Koskinen. I get why he went with Smith because he was playing so well but I didn't think Smith was at his best. I don't think there was a "bad goal" but a couple where I thought a save was needed.


I think this is just who Barrie is. He's just not that good of a defender, and he's looked bad on a few goals so it's been more obvious. I honestly think that if Smith stops that 4th goal, people are probably not as down on Barrie, even though he still would have been walked by Steel.

There's a reason that, in an off-season where teams were handing out $9M contracts to defencemen like candy, Barrie only signed for $4.5M despite leading all defencemen in points last year.



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Goose wrote on Wed, 20 October 2021 13:30

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 20 October 2021 07:35

Not a work of art but they won. 3-0 is exactly the start they would have wanted so I will take it any way they can get it. They are finding ways to win while not playing their best which I am choosing to see as a bit of a positive because it means in my opinion, if they play better, they should win easier. Good teams find ways to win even when they aren't at their best.

Barrie looks like he did to start off last year. Sputtering but he found his game so I hope that's the same this year.

Kassian looks like a different player, the guy from a few years ago. I am loving that 3rd line. Foggele is great.

Bouchard is looking GREAT!! 3 games only but he's looking like the dman I'd hoped they would be getting when they drafted him. Almost killed the goal with his shot. icon_biggrin

Yamo, I am not sure what they should do. This isn't just 3 games this season, this goes back into last year where his playoffs were lousy and he scored 1 goal in 26 games.

Sloppy play especially by the forwards but it can be cleaned up.

I thought they should have started Koskinen. I get why he went with Smith because he was playing so well but I didn't think Smith was at his best. I don't think there was a "bad goal" but a couple where I thought a save was needed.


I think this is just who Barrie is. He's just not that good of a defender, and he's looked bad on a few goals so it's been more obvious. I honestly think that if Smith stops that 4th goal, people are probably not as down on Barrie, even though he still would have been walked by Steel.

There's a reason that, in an off-season where teams were handing out $9M contracts to defencemen like candy, Barrie only signed for $4.5M despite leading all defencemen in points last year.

He struggled to start last season and by the 7 or 8th game he was better and pretty decent the entire season. So that is what I am expecting from him. His contract made it so in my opinion, you had to sign him. You are getting a very good skating, excellent puck moving, PP running. point producing machine for 4.5 mill for 3 yrs that's a right shot. I could totally see by the end of this year if Bouchard keeps going like he is, Barrie becomes very expendable and has an extremely tradeable contract. TONS of teams could use a dman like him especially if they lack scoring and their PP sucks.

Look no further than down the highway in Calgary as an example. When the Sutter experiment blows up in their face and they realize you can't win in the NHL anymore when over half your defense is defensive dmen that beat the puck square, they could use a Barrie. They have Andersson running their PP again. I don't see him as a offensive guy. There will be lots of teams looking for offense from the defense. So I don't think trading him will be a problem is needed.



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 Re: Review: Anaheim @ Edmonton (Game #3) [message #793230 is a reply to message #793220 ]
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Goose wrote on Wed, 20 October 2021 13:30


I think this is just who Barrie is. He's just not that good of a defender, and he's looked bad on a few goals so it's been more obvious. I honestly think that if Smith stops that 4th goal, people are probably not as down on Barrie, even though he still would have been walked by Steel.

There's a reason that, in an off-season where teams were handing out $9M contracts to defencemen like candy, Barrie only signed for $4.5M despite leading all defencemen in points last year.


That viewer bias on mistakes leading to goals is huge. I think there's a similar one on stats, so someone who's -3 is automatically assumed to have had a terrible game, regardless of what the actual role they played in any goals against were. Smith was terrible last night, that third goal in particular should never have gone in, but it draws more attention to the people on the ice, regardless of how the rest of the game has gone.

I think the viewer bias is the same thing that leads to people praising the passing of Cody Ceci despite a myriad of dreadful passes. The one nice one leads to a goal, and suddenly "Ceci is really surprising with his playmaking abilities!"

Tyson Barrie is a guy who you notice in a negative way if there isn't corresponding offence. There were lots of games last year where he was just as inept defensively, but he had three powerplay assists and he's in consideration for the three stars of the game. If the Oilers had a real analytics group that the management paid any attention to, Bouchard probably plays more last year so that he's more in a position to come back, and Bear doesn't get moved for a third liner (even though I've been happy with Foegele's play). Barrie potentially could have been brought back on that deal - I prefer him to Ceci - but he'd have been further down the pecking order. I don't think any analytics person in the league would have recommended that contract for Cody Ceci. That's a player they should be able to get for half that money or less and only for a single season, not four.





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Adam wrote on Wed, 20 October 2021 19:09

I think the viewer bias is the same thing that leads to people praising the passing of Cody Ceci despite a myriad of dreadful passes. The one nice one leads to a goal, and suddenly "Ceci is really surprising with his playmaking abilities!"


You don't think Ceci moves the puck up ok? Not just one nice play - I didn't go look again, but I'm pretty sure I've seen him consistently move the puck well, even just short headman passes.

And you know what I haven't seen from him? That stupid 2005-2019 Oilers D staple - the blind ring it around the boards and hope it gets out move. The Staios Special.

To my eye, he seems to be chasing the play a lot in his own zone, but I think he seems to do well to get the puck out and move it up, and also he's had a few well timed pinches to keep the play alizv in the offensive zone.

I'd still rather have Bear, but he hasn't been a complete disaster so far. I think he looks better than Barrie in 3 games.

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Goose wrote on Wed, 20 October 2021 12:30

I think this is just who Barrie is. He's just not that good of a defender, and he's looked bad on a few goals so it's been more obvious. I honestly think that if Smith stops that 4th goal, people are probably not as down on Barrie, even though he still would have been walked by Steel.

There's a reason that, in an off-season where teams were handing out $9M contracts to defencemen like candy, Barrie only signed for $4.5M despite leading all defencemen in points last year.


On that play, Barrie got walked badly there on that rush by Steele, and should have been positioned better before it even started, but Nurse had a play there that he failed to move on, he could have filled in Steele as he went in front of the net, but instead just stood and watched because he had been covering another Duck in the slot, he was right there, just had to realize Steele was going to get a AAA scoring chance and go to him.. love Nurse but he still having brain farts processing the game.



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Surprised there hasn't been much discussion about Smith's potential issue. In spite of his age he's the clear starter, and things will go south if Koski has to carry the load.


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CrudeRemarks wrote on Wed, 20 October 2021 13:50

Surprised there hasn't been much discussion about Smith's potential issue. In spite of his age he's the clear starter, and things will go south if Koski has to carry the load.

It's fine. The Oilers have a senior citizen starting goalie so they're well prepared for the nearly inevitable injury risk.



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CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 20 October 2021 13:04

CrudeRemarks wrote on Wed, 20 October 2021 13:50

Surprised there hasn't been much discussion about Smith's potential issue. In spite of his age he's the clear starter, and things will go south if Koski has to carry the load.

It's fine. The Oilers have a senior citizen starting goalie so they're well prepared for the nearly inevitable injury risk.


Totally agree. Koskinen is rested, so I'm not even worried that Tippett might start Koskinen back-to-back given his distrust of young players. That should work out juuussstt fine.



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Goose wrote on Wed, 20 October 2021 14:09

CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 20 October 2021 13:04

CrudeRemarks wrote on Wed, 20 October 2021 13:50

Surprised there hasn't been much discussion about Smith's potential issue. In spite of his age he's the clear starter, and things will go south if Koski has to carry the load.

It's fine. The Oilers have a senior citizen starting goalie so they're well prepared for the nearly inevitable injury risk.


Totally agree. Koskinen is rested, so I'm not even worried that Tippett might start Koskinen back-to-back given his distrust of young players. That should work out juuussstt fine.


Let's not panic too much people. We're 3-0-0, up there with the likes of the Buffalo Sabres. Everything going according to plan so far.



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CrudeRemarks wrote on Wed, 20 October 2021 12:50

Surprised there hasn't been much discussion about Smith's potential issue. In spite of his age he's the clear starter, and things will go south if Koski has to carry the load.


And here it is from Tom Gazzola’s twitter

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Hearing Mike Smith could be out for at least a week and is expected to be placed on IR.



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smyth260 wrote on Wed, 20 October 2021 15:55

CrudeRemarks wrote on Wed, 20 October 2021 12:50

Surprised there hasn't been much discussion about Smith's potential issue. In spite of his age he's the clear starter, and things will go south if Koski has to carry the load.


And here it is from Tom Gazzola’s twitter

Quote:

Hearing Mike Smith could be out for at least a week and is expected to be placed on IR.



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3 games, 3 wins. 6 pts. We're not looking at a smoke and mirrors heater, we're looking at a team that has the horses to overcome some adversity & errors. I'd like to think that the errors you might see in the very early stages of a spanky new season can be mitigated and cleaned up.

We haven't had this kind of fwd depth here in decades. Nice after seeing the bottom 6 get caved in for the McDavid era, and the entire 12 get caved in much of the dark times prior, when kids were being thrown out there on the 1st line with not a lot of mentoring, and not quite the superstar talent level to overcome it.

As far as D, line combos go, individual performances.....the season is pretty fresh yet, I'd suggest a review in a few games and see where everyone is at then. 😃



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