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Re: Nurse Extended 8 Years 9.25 million per [message #802960 is a reply to message #802951 ]	Thu, 24 March 2022 21:47

inverno76
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Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 24 March 2022 21:32

smyth260 wrote on Thu, 24 March 2022 21:16

CrudeRemarks wrote on Thu, 24 March 2022 19:48

smyth260 wrote on Thu, 24 March 2022 20:05

CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 24 March 2022 17:29

smyth260 wrote on Thu, 24 March 2022 18:20

I think its very hard to argue that 9.25M a year is NOT superstar money.

Nurse is slated to be 26th highest cap hit next year. Only 6 defensemen make more than him.

So far.

Here's the question. Forgetting pay, how many D would you rather have over Nurse? The top 20 non-Nurse D in my fantasy league are: Josi, Makar, Letang, Hedman, Ekblan, Trouba, Fox, Weegar, McAvoy, Carlson, Seider, Reilly, Toews, Gudas, Pietrangelo, Hughes, Krug, Faulk, Dobson, Andersson.

I think Nurse is a top 10 D. If he's overpaid, it's not by very much.

This is an interesting question, I've had fun putting the time thinking about this one and was surprised how fast the list grew.

Ignoring pay, age, contract length, and just looking at play I would trade Nurse straight up for these players:

No Brainers - 9
Josi
Makar
Fox
Hedman
McAvoy
Pietrangelo
Ekblad
Letang
Hamilton

Convincing Yes - 7
Heiskanen
Petry (trying to ignore a strange disappearance this season)
D. Toews
Ellis
Spurgeon
Theodore
Dahlin

Pretty Likely Yes - 8
Chabot
Carlson
Q. Hughes
Seider
Ekholm
Werenski
Weegar
Slavin

Take it or leave it
H. Lindholm
Rielly
Chychrun
S. Jones
Klingberg
Krug
Doughty

This twitter thread is a pretty good dive into Nurse.
https://twitter.com/jfreshhockey/status/1423708086670397444? lang=en

Nurse seems like he's kind of a one trick pony. All even strength offense. But even then, he's not really elite at it. Since 2018-19, he is only 38th in 5v5 P/60 (min 50GP). His defensive game at 5v5 has never been loved by analytics. He's realistically the 3rd best PP option on the Oilers right now...he cashed in on one nice season, the Oilers did not look at his body of work.

He's a good defenseman, but I have 24 guys that I think are better than him today. He's past the point where he's likely to improve. This could be a very very damaging contract going forward.

I’m not certain Nurse will ever earn his next contract, but your list suggests he’s the 25th best dman in a 32 team league. Sounds like a low end number 1 to me.

He probably is a number 1, but that isn't the debate. I am contesting the two previous assertions that:

1) He's a top 10D in the league.
2) He's not getting paid like a superstar.

6th highest paid defenseman next year implies superstar. Being called low-end does not imply superstar.

It's an overpay. I think a smart GM could build a better defense with the 9.25M and whatever pick they would have got for trading him.

But Connor would definitely be upset.

Every team has a ‘number one’ dman. But that doesn’t mean every team has a number one dman. Just like every team has a number one goalie… but no one here will call Smith or Koskinen a number one.

Fortunately Nurse is closer to Hedman, than Smith/Koskinen are to Vasilesvsky.

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Re: Nurse Extended 8 Years 9.25 million per [message #802986 is a reply to message #802960 ]	Fri, 25 March 2022 08:59

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inverno76 wrote on Thu, 24 March 2022 21:47

Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 24 March 2022 21:32

smyth260 wrote on Thu, 24 March 2022 21:16

CrudeRemarks wrote on Thu, 24 March 2022 19:48

smyth260 wrote on Thu, 24 March 2022 20:05

CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 24 March 2022 17:29

smyth260 wrote on Thu, 24 March 2022 18:20

I think its very hard to argue that 9.25M a year is NOT superstar money.

Nurse is slated to be 26th highest cap hit next year. Only 6 defensemen make more than him.

I’m not certain Nurse will ever earn his next contract, but your list suggests he’s the 25th best dman in a 32 team league. Sounds like a low end number 1 to me.

Fortunately Nurse is closer to Hedman, than Smith/Koskinen are to Vasilesvsky.

I think much of that list above is VERY subjectively biased. In your convincing yes, I would only agree on Heiskanen. The others either a flat no or an “at times yes, but in the end at this time no”

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Re: Nurse Extended 8 Years 9.25 million per [message #802988 is a reply to message #802986 ]	Fri, 25 March 2022 10:08

Dragon_Matt
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I think you should look at it as 'would you trade Nurse straight up' for all the options. take their salary age etc into consideration. That list is a lot smaller.

Makaer, Hedman, Ekblad are firm yes for me. The rest aren't.

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Re: Nurse Extended 8 Years 9.25 million per [message #803005 is a reply to message #802988 ]	Fri, 25 March 2022 12:14

mightyreasoner
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Dragon_Matt wrote on Fri, 25 March 2022 10:08

For me, Makar, Fox, Ekblad, Heiskanen, Seider are the no-brainers.

I'd have to consider Hughes, McAvoy, Slavin, Chychrun, Toews, Rielly, Theodore, Chabot, Werenski, Klingberg, or Dahlin. There's likely some of those I'd make a move for as well, though there might be some element missing (size, age, physicality) that keeps it from being a complete no-brainer.

The age difference on Josi, Hedman, Carlson, Krug, Letang, Pietrangelo, Doughty, and Spurgeon would give me pause. Each are likely better than Nurse today, but the back half of the contract for Nurse, he will likely be the better player.

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Re: Nurse Extended 8 Years 9.25 million per [message #802958 is a reply to message #802944 ]	Thu, 24 March 2022 21:45

inverno76
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smyth260 wrote on Thu, 24 March 2022 21:16

CrudeRemarks wrote on Thu, 24 March 2022 19:48

smyth260 wrote on Thu, 24 March 2022 20:05

CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 24 March 2022 17:29

smyth260 wrote on Thu, 24 March 2022 18:20

I think its very hard to argue that 9.25M a year is NOT superstar money.

Nurse is slated to be 26th highest cap hit next year. Only 6 defensemen make more than him.

I’m not certain Nurse will ever earn his next contract, but your list suggests he’s the 25th best dman in a 32 team league. Sounds like a low end number 1 to me.

Truth. What’s the value in a team that has a happy couple of superstars? Rather a 1M of cap money goes there than the much more amount dollars lost in non-factor players, dead cap space or severe overpays like Kassian and Koskinen.

I don’t like Nurse’s deal, but it’s like going to Boston Pizza and ordering Cactus Cuts. Are they worth $12? No, but there are comparables at other places for roughly the same price, but not nearly as good. Would I rather have double stuffed baked potatoe? Yea, but it’s not on the menu.

PS. I love my cactus cuts.

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Re: Nurse Extended 8 Years 9.25 million per [message #802964 is a reply to message #802958 ]	Thu, 24 March 2022 21:52

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inverno76 wrote on Thu, 24 March 2022 21:45

I love this analogy so much.

What you're saying is we need 3% cash back on the credit card and a good looking wait staff for this to be ok? Oh man, imagine if there was a Nurse coupon. The Oilers could have gotten Nurse and free small pizza.

Please do not feed the bears. Feeding the bears creates a dependent population unable to survive on their own. Bears.

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Re: Nurse Extended 8 Years 9.25 million per [message #802972 is a reply to message #802964 ]	Thu, 24 March 2022 22:29

CrudeRemarks
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CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 24 March 2022 21:52

inverno76 wrote on Thu, 24 March 2022 21:45

Yamamoto eats free in March!

You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes, you just might find, you can get a lottery pick.

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Re: Nurse Extended 8 Years 9.25 million per [message #803015 is a reply to message #802923 ]	Fri, 25 March 2022 15:03

K.McC#24
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smyth260 wrote on Thu, 24 March 2022 20:05

CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 24 March 2022 17:29

smyth260 wrote on Thu, 24 March 2022 18:20

I think its very hard to argue that 9.25M a year is NOT superstar money.

Nurse is slated to be 26th highest cap hit next year. Only 6 defensemen make more than him.

I'm not defending Nurse, but there are guys up and down your list that I wouldn't pull the trigger on. Size, skillsets, and circumstances (partner with him, team in front and behind) all dictate that not every one of the 24 that you place ahead of Nurse can be dropped into his circumstances and outperform, assuming their age. My list might be a bit over half that long ...but hard to say.

Clearly, though, next season he moves from the upside stage of his career and into the delivery stage. The expectations increase significantly, and you should be talking about at minimum a top 10 guy imo.

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Re: Nurse Extended 8 Years 9.25 million per [message #802920 is a reply to message #802901 ]	Thu, 24 March 2022 19:58

CrudeRemarks
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RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 24 March 2022 15:07

I can see Nurse is turning into the next Horcoff in Edmonton for some people.

Horcoff was a very good Oiler. Gave everything he could, great team guy, good captain, played his ass off, great in the community. He had a great year, signed a nice contract which was probably market value at the time. People couldn't get over it. Didn't matter what he did. He could score a hat trick but the talk would be that 1 mistake he made that game. Didn't stop until he finally left town.

Case in point. What is the talk at the moment for Nurse. OT in the Avs game. Kadri new the rule and ripped Nurse's helmet off his head right in the Oilers zone when the puck was there so Nurse would have to go to the bench immediately which would create a scoring chance for the Avs. That was kind of a dirty move and should have been interference on Kadri but the talk is how Nurse didn't hustle fast enough to the bench to change, which means he doesn't have enough hockey sense. Wouldn't have made a damn bit of difference if Nurse had of hustled a tiny bit faster because the play was on the far side of the ice from the bench so if his replaced had of been on even a second earlier, he still wouldn't have been able to get into the play but who cares, Nurse doesn't have enough hockey sense to change faster after the opposition got away with cheating.

If he had of hustled to the bench and that guy had of gotten on the ice that 1 second faster, still wouldn't have made a difference. BUT. The next argument against Nurse would have been he should have had his chin strap done up tighter to make it harder for Kadri to rip his helmet off. But again, he doesn't have enough hockey sense to do that.

Wow!

Are we talking about proven drug cheat Shawn Horcoff?

You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes, you just might find, you can get a lottery pick.

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