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If you believe the Oilers need to be all in while Connor McDavid is in his prime, then you can’t complain about the contract the Oilers are set to offer Zach Hyman.
No matter how ugly it looks.


Are the Oilers once again trying to soften up the market for what's about to happen?



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Adam wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 18:19

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If you believe the Oilers need to be all in while Connor McDavid is in his prime, then you can’t complain about the contract the Oilers are set to offer Zach Hyman.
No matter how ugly it looks.


Are the Oilers once again trying to soften up the market for what's about to happen?


Lol, we've been going all in every year. Exceeding the cap over and over. Can't complain this time though, because we finally got some cap space and now we're using it all again! ALL IN BABY!



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Here we go, giving hyman the rumored six per year that hes looking for means theres gotta be a trade/buyout or both coming as well no?


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sinfulchimp306 wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 17:31

Here we go, giving hyman the rumored six per year that hes looking for means theres gotta be a trade/buyout or both coming as well no?


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sinfulchimp306 wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 17:31

Here we go, giving hyman the rumored six per year that hes looking for means theres gotta be a trade/buyout or both coming as well no?


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nullterm wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 17:43

sinfulchimp306 wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 17:31

Here we go, giving hyman the rumored six per year that hes looking for means theres gotta be a trade/buyout or both coming as well no?


David Clarkson


Exactly, this smells like Clarkson all over.
I remember Clarkson had GM's make appointments to fly in to see him at his agents office..
With all his past injuries, he's a busted Hyman.

Hope they get out bid by Calgary again.



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... busted Hymen.... lol sounds like my high school girlfriend


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Keith - No salary retained
Larson - Walks for nothing leaving big hole
Hyman - Signs 8 year contract over 4.5. Give up draft pick.

What could go wrong? Great start to a season we thought we had money to upgrade. Holland better pull off a miracle or the run him out of town chants won't take long with fans in the stands.



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oilslick492 wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 19:51

... busted Hymen.... lol sounds like my high school girlfriend



You sound like the Flames, after you stole my girlfriend. I was the second fiddle multiple times. Calgary can have both Markstrom and Hyman.



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Hearing Zach Hyman close to deal in EDM ... "It's in the Leafs corner."



If we end up giving a draft pick... eek.



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Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 19:51

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Hearing Zach Hyman close to deal in EDM ... "It's in the Leafs corner."



If we end up giving a draft pick... eek.


Yeah.. like why, everyone else has the same opportunity to talk to him, if he's picking you its because your offer ids better and he wants to go to your team, why pay up a draft pick, wait until he's UFA.



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Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 20:51

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Hearing Zach Hyman close to deal in EDM ... "It's in the Leafs corner."



If we end up giving a draft pick... eek.


So desperate to get that 8th year to win a bidding war with other stupid teams? Or is it Hyman that told us that he's so excited with what we're building here he is happy to allow us to give him the 8th year.



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Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 20:51

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@kevin_mcgran
Hearing Zach Hyman close to deal in EDM ... "It's in the Leafs corner."



If we end up giving a draft pick... eek.


So desperate to get that 8th year to win a bidding war with other stupid teams? Or is it Hyman that told us that he's so excited with what we're building here he is happy to allow us to give him the 8th year.


From what I’ve seen/read;
6 years will be 6M AAV
7 years will be 5.5M AAV
8 years will be 5.125M AAV

So, pay a draft pick to get two additional years and a break shy of 900K on cap?

Even for a Duncan Keith trade fan, that’s rich.

This said, yes, Hyman brings an element to the Oilers top 6 that they don’t have currently. But my goodness. Hasn’t been a poster boy of health. Was a late bloomer. Plays a style that generally sees a sharp drop off in effectiveness in the early thirties...

I’ll cheer for him. He’ll have one hell of an opportunity here... he does fill a hole.

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Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 20:18

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 21:14

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 20:51

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@kevin_mcgran
Hearing Zach Hyman close to deal in EDM ... "It's in the Leafs corner."



If we end up giving a draft pick... eek.


So desperate to get that 8th year to win a bidding war with other stupid teams? Or is it Hyman that told us that he's so excited with what we're building here he is happy to allow us to give him the 8th year.


From what I’ve seen/read;
6 years will be 6M AAV
7 years will be 5.5M AAV
8 years will be 5.125M AAV

So, pay a draft pick to get two additional years and a break shy of 900K on cap?

Even for a Duncan Keith trade fan, that’s rich.

This said, yes, Hyman brings an element to the Oilers top 6 that they don’t have currently. But my goodness. Hasn’t been a poster boy of health. Was a late bloomer. Plays a style that generally sees a sharp drop off in effectiveness in the early thirties...

I’ll cheer for him. He’ll have one hell of an opportunity here... he does fill a hole.


He fills a hole for 2 years.. then its 6x5.125 of wasted cap ..

Holland just go to sleep on this one man, wanna help? .. don't help.



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Skookum Jim wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 20:50

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 20:18

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 21:14

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 20:51

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@kevin_mcgran
Hearing Zach Hyman close to deal in EDM ... "It's in the Leafs corner."



If we end up giving a draft pick... eek.


So desperate to get that 8th year to win a bidding war with other stupid teams? Or is it Hyman that told us that he's so excited with what we're building here he is happy to allow us to give him the 8th year.


From what I’ve seen/read;
6 years will be 6M AAV
7 years will be 5.5M AAV
8 years will be 5.125M AAV

So, pay a draft pick to get two additional years and a break shy of 900K on cap?

Even for a Duncan Keith trade fan, that’s rich.

This said, yes, Hyman brings an element to the Oilers top 6 that they don’t have currently. But my goodness. Hasn’t been a poster boy of health. Was a late bloomer. Plays a style that generally sees a sharp drop off in effectiveness in the early thirties...

I’ll cheer for him. He’ll have one hell of an opportunity here... he does fill a hole.


He fills a hole for 2 years.. then its 6x5.125 of wasted cap ..

Holland just go to sleep on this one man, wanna help? .. don't help.


I've been positive/neutral on Holland so far, but this is idiotically bad. Trying to fit in with his predecessors?



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nullterm wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 21:53

Skookum Jim wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 20:50

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 20:18

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 21:14

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 20:51

Quote:

@kevin_mcgran
Hearing Zach Hyman close to deal in EDM ... "It's in the Leafs corner."



If we end up giving a draft pick... eek.


So desperate to get that 8th year to win a bidding war with other stupid teams? Or is it Hyman that told us that he's so excited with what we're building here he is happy to allow us to give him the 8th year.


From what I’ve seen/read;
6 years will be 6M AAV
7 years will be 5.5M AAV
8 years will be 5.125M AAV

So, pay a draft pick to get two additional years and a break shy of 900K on cap?

Even for a Duncan Keith trade fan, that’s rich.

This said, yes, Hyman brings an element to the Oilers top 6 that they don’t have currently. But my goodness. Hasn’t been a poster boy of health. Was a late bloomer. Plays a style that generally sees a sharp drop off in effectiveness in the early thirties...

I’ll cheer for him. He’ll have one hell of an opportunity here... he does fill a hole.


He fills a hole for 2 years.. then its 6x5.125 of wasted cap ..

Holland just go to sleep on this one man, wanna help? .. don't help.


I've been positive/neutral on Holland so far, but this is idiotically bad. Trying to fit in with his predecessors?


The plan is that there is no plan. Getting an instant boner and paying whatever Chicago wants for 38 year old Keith at 5.5M the second you find out Keith wants to move to western Canada. So desperate for Hyman you're paying the Leafs to give him the 8th year to trade.

There was never a plan. Buggers are winging it and doing all the lazy crap that barely any other team would think is a good idea. Imagine paying a guy 5M a year for this crap GMing.

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I’ll be an Oilers fan until my last breath. I’d sooner quit watching hockey forever than buy another team’s jersey, let alone switching allegiance. I’ll always try give management the benefit of the doubt until proven to be undeserved.

I’m fine with signing Hyman for something like 5.5x5. Anything x 6 years is dicey. 7 or 8 years might be the sign that someone has some sort of cognitive or mental health issue - and I’m saying that truthfully, not to diminish the severity of deteriorating cognitive conditions or mental health struggles. There is no possible justification for it. None. If that’s “what it takes”, you walk away - and the inability to see that is honestly troubling through an actual health-of-the-person-making-the-deal lens.



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Skoobz wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 22:17

I’ll be an Oilers fan until my last breath. I’d sooner quit watching hockey forever than buy another team’s jersey, let alone switching allegiance. I’ll always try give management the benefit of the doubt until proven to be undeserved.

I’m fine with signing Hyman for something like 5.5x5. Anything x 6 years is dicey. 7 or 8 years might be the sign that someone has some sort of cognitive or mental health issue - and I’m saying that truthfully, not to diminish the severity of deteriorating cognitive conditions or mental health struggles. There is no possible justification for it. None. If that’s “what it takes”, you walk away - and the inability to see that is honestly troubling through an actual health-of-the-person-making-the-deal lens.


If that happens, do you think it's maybe because Holland doesn't give a damn what happens here 5+ years from now, because it likely isn't his problem no matter what way you slice it? He's 65 now, 66 in November. Even if he's not fired for gross incompetence, is he likely to work well in to his 70s?

Maybe he's figuring to hell with the future - just scramble to see what he can do now.

I'd be somewhat in favour of that if it felt like there was a plan. I really don't think there's much of one though. Just scrambling around, with zero sense as to why they're doing anything. Their scouting sucks and is all nepotism hires, and they won't trust or listen to any analytics people so we're stuck with just random chasing after any shiny object instead.

I'm with you on cheering for other teams. I'll never do it. But the Oilers are a constant source of disappointment. It can be so much fun when they're good, and they've got building blocks that others would be so jealous of - and yet we can't stop tripping over our feet.



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You might be right - totally could be his version of “all-in”. It could also be his version of “IDGAF”. Or most frighteningly, his version of “why are my underpants on outside my pants?” And Hyman COULD be part of an all-in push, but there really doesn’t seem to be any unifying concept to any of this - YET, at least.

I guess the only positive is that the compressed off-season should really condense any doubt into two weeks of hell or a stunning recovery from an awful start. Oh yeah, and cabin time. Surely there will be cabin time.

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I'd be somewhat in favour of that if it felt like there was a plan. I really don't think there's much of one though. Just scrambling around, with zero sense as to why they're doing anything. Their scouting sucks and is all nepotism hires, and they won't trust or listen to any analytics people so we're stuck with just random chasing after any shiny object instead.



This is by far the most frustrating part. If this team had any sort of plan, they would have 5 or 6 guys identified as targets(eg. Blake Coleman, should have been in on Jared McCann, etc.), And if a guy like Hyman prices himself out of what makes sense, then you move on to the next guy and use the extra money on finding a legitimate goalie (what is the plan there exactly?).

But instead, like you said, they chase a shiny object and will blow up their entire cap to make sure they land that guy and potentially even give up assets (if the rumors are true, or in the case of the Keith trade), that they absolutely do not need to be giving up. And Hyman is a good player that would help the Oilers, but not at any price/term, that's insane - there are other options.

I do also find it interesting, and it's probably got something to do with the Toronto factor, that there seems to be all this smoke around Zach Hyman, but really nothing happening around guys like Coleman or Saad. Coleman has won back-to-back Cups Holland, you can't put a price on that!



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Adam wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 21:24


I'd be somewhat in favour of that if it felt like there was a plan. I really don't think there's much of one though. Just scrambling around, with zero sense as to why they're doing anything. Their scouting sucks and is all nepotism hires, and they won't trust or listen to any analytics people so we're stuck with just random chasing after any shiny object instead.



This is by far the most frustrating part. If this team had any sort of plan, they would have 5 or 6 guys identified as targets(eg. Blake Coleman, should have been in on Jared McCann, etc.), And if a guy like Hyman prices himself out of what makes sense, then you move on to the next guy and use the extra money on finding a legitimate goalie (what is the plan there exactly?).

But instead, like you said, they chase a shiny object and will blow up their entire cap to make sure they land that guy and potentially even give up assets (if the rumors are true, or in the case of the Keith trade), that they absolutely do not need to be giving up. And Hyman is a good player that would help the Oilers, but not at any price/term, that's insane - there are other options.

I do also find it interesting, and it's probably got something to do with the Toronto factor, that there seems to be all this smoke around Zach Hyman, but really nothing happening around guys like Coleman or Saad. Coleman has won back-to-back Cups Holland, you can't put a price on that!


Watch Toronto being in Coleman without Hyman now... or Calgary with all their cap space.



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Maybe this good Ol’ Berta Banger will make his wife pull a Mrs Clarkson?

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Ahhh I see how Kenny is working - knows that this will actually open up cap space as soon as Hyman hits LTIR.

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There is no way the guy who signed the disastrous 7 year Justin Abdelkader contract would do it again right?

Right…



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smyth260 wrote on Thu, 22 July 2021 08:13

There is no way the guy who signed the disastrous 7 year Justin Abdelkader contract would do it again right?

Right…


Right now, I'm a little concerned about what Holland gives up just so that he can get Hyman secured a couple of days early. MacTavish gave up a third round pick for Nikita Nikitin...



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Adam wrote on Thu, 22 July 2021 11:41

smyth260 wrote on Thu, 22 July 2021 08:13

There is no way the guy who signed the disastrous 7 year Justin Abdelkader contract would do it again right?

Right…


Right now, I'm a little concerned about what Holland gives up just so that he can get Hyman secured a couple of days early. MacTavish gave up a third round pick for Nikita Nikitin...


And we can't use our 2nd or 3rd, so 1st rounder it is I guess...



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And we can't use our 2nd or 3rd, so 1st rounder it is I guess...


This feels inevitable



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Goose wrote on Thu, 22 July 2021 09:32

Mike wrote on Thu, 22 July 2021 08:03


And we can't use our 2nd or 3rd, so 1st rounder it is I guess...


This feels inevitable


It’ll be the Pittsburgh 6th rounder this Saturday



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Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 22 July 2021 09:36

Goose wrote on Thu, 22 July 2021 09:32

Mike wrote on Thu, 22 July 2021 08:03


And we can't use our 2nd or 3rd, so 1st rounder it is I guess...


This feels inevitable


It’ll be the Pittsburgh 6th rounder this Saturday


Hush. Don’t kill our anxieties. It’s my only constant.



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inverno76 wrote on Thu, 22 July 2021 09:38

Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 22 July 2021 09:36

Goose wrote on Thu, 22 July 2021 09:32

Mike wrote on Thu, 22 July 2021 08:03


And we can't use our 2nd or 3rd, so 1st rounder it is I guess...


This feels inevitable


It’ll be the Pittsburgh 6th rounder this Saturday


Hush. Don’t kill our anxieties. It’s my only constant.


Go check my post in the Hot Oil Summer thread if you want to carry that anxiety forward haha



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Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 22 July 2021 09:36

Goose wrote on Thu, 22 July 2021 09:32

Mike wrote on Thu, 22 July 2021 08:03


And we can't use our 2nd or 3rd, so 1st rounder it is I guess...


This feels inevitable


It’ll be the Pittsburgh 6th rounder this Saturday


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Mike wrote on Thu, 22 July 2021 09:03

Adam wrote on Thu, 22 July 2021 11:41

smyth260 wrote on Thu, 22 July 2021 08:13

There is no way the guy who signed the disastrous 7 year Justin Abdelkader contract would do it again right?

Right…


Right now, I'm a little concerned about what Holland gives up just so that he can get Hyman secured a couple of days early. MacTavish gave up a third round pick for Nikita Nikitin...


And we can't use our 2nd or 3rd, so 1st rounder it is I guess...


2023 3rd. , upgrades to 2nd if we win 2 rounds. Upgrades to 1st if we win 3 rounds, also give our 1st in 2022 if we win the cup

That's ok. We will be happy if we win so much we give away all our picks for 2 years. rock



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Kr55 wrote on Thu, 22 July 2021 10:33

Mike wrote on Thu, 22 July 2021 09:03

Adam wrote on Thu, 22 July 2021 11:41

smyth260 wrote on Thu, 22 July 2021 08:13

There is no way the guy who signed the disastrous 7 year Justin Abdelkader contract would do it again right?

Right…


Right now, I'm a little concerned about what Holland gives up just so that he can get Hyman secured a couple of days early. MacTavish gave up a third round pick for Nikita Nikitin...


And we can't use our 2nd or 3rd, so 1st rounder it is I guess...


2023 3rd. , upgrades to 2nd if we win 2 rounds. Upgrades to 1st if we win 3 rounds, also give our 1st in 2022 if we win the cup

That's ok. We will be happy if we win so much we give away all our picks for 2 years. rock


It saves so much time if you don't have to worry about amateur scouting!



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Adam wrote on Thu, 22 July 2021 13:36

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 22 July 2021 10:33

Mike wrote on Thu, 22 July 2021 09:03

Adam wrote on Thu, 22 July 2021 11:41

smyth260 wrote on Thu, 22 July 2021 08:13

There is no way the guy who signed the disastrous 7 year Justin Abdelkader contract would do it again right?

Right…


Right now, I'm a little concerned about what Holland gives up just so that he can get Hyman secured a couple of days early. MacTavish gave up a third round pick for Nikita Nikitin...


And we can't use our 2nd or 3rd, so 1st rounder it is I guess...


2023 3rd. , upgrades to 2nd if we win 2 rounds. Upgrades to 1st if we win 3 rounds, also give our 1st in 2022 if we win the cup

That's ok. We will be happy if we win so much we give away all our picks for 2 years. rock


It saves so much time if you don't have to worry about amateur scouting!


Money too. Don't need to pay all those scouts. Saves money to hire someone's nephew to be equipment manager or something.



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Mike wrote on Thu, 22 July 2021 10:37

Adam wrote on Thu, 22 July 2021 13:36

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 22 July 2021 10:33

Mike wrote on Thu, 22 July 2021 09:03

Adam wrote on Thu, 22 July 2021 11:41

smyth260 wrote on Thu, 22 July 2021 08:13

There is no way the guy who signed the disastrous 7 year Justin Abdelkader contract would do it again right?

Right…


Right now, I'm a little concerned about what Holland gives up just so that he can get Hyman secured a couple of days early. MacTavish gave up a third round pick for Nikita Nikitin...


And we can't use our 2nd or 3rd, so 1st rounder it is I guess...


2023 3rd. , upgrades to 2nd if we win 2 rounds. Upgrades to 1st if we win 3 rounds, also give our 1st in 2022 if we win the cup

That's ok. We will be happy if we win so much we give away all our picks for 2 years. rock


It saves so much time if you don't have to worry about amateur scouting!


Money too. Don't need to pay all those scouts. Saves money to hire someone's nephew to be equipment manager or something.



Datsyuk (6th round pick) and Zetterberg (7th round pick) say hi to you guys. We don't need any sinking 2nd and 3rd round picks. Or 1sts if it meant we won a cup!



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Kr55 wrote on Thu, 22 July 2021 11:10

Mike wrote on Thu, 22 July 2021 10:37

Adam wrote on Thu, 22 July 2021 13:36

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 22 July 2021 10:33

Mike wrote on Thu, 22 July 2021 09:03

Adam wrote on Thu, 22 July 2021 11:41

smyth260 wrote on Thu, 22 July 2021 08:13

There is no way the guy who signed the disastrous 7 year Justin Abdelkader contract would do it again right?

Right…


Right now, I'm a little concerned about what Holland gives up just so that he can get Hyman secured a couple of days early. MacTavish gave up a third round pick for Nikita Nikitin...


And we can't use our 2nd or 3rd, so 1st rounder it is I guess...


2023 3rd. , upgrades to 2nd if we win 2 rounds. Upgrades to 1st if we win 3 rounds, also give our 1st in 2022 if we win the cup

That's ok. We will be happy if we win so much we give away all our picks for 2 years. rock


It saves so much time if you don't have to worry about amateur scouting!


Money too. Don't need to pay all those scouts. Saves money to hire someone's nephew to be equipment manager or something.



Datsyuk (6th round pick) and Zetterberg (7th round pick) say hi to you guys. We don't need any sinking 2nd and 3rd round picks. Or 1sts if it meant we won a cup!


We're definitely running out of trading chips there:

2021 - 2nd, 3rd, 5th gone
2022 - 2nd (can't move), 3rd gone, 4th gone

That's a big hole considering we're a team that hasn't "gone for it".



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and then there’s Zach Hyman. If TOR desires a draft pick, could be done today at 8 years. If not, 7 years when free agency opens. Either way, should come in around $40M….



lol what happened to GM's being bros? Toronto is trying to squeeze us for more compensation for the sign and trade? This seems in stark contract to us kissing Bowman's ass.



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$40M one way or another? Oh god. That doesn't sound good. Clarkson 2.0.


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Mike wrote on Thu, 22 July 2021 11:27

$40M one way or another? Oh god. That doesn't sound good. Clarkson 2.0.


One question - if you're Hyman and being offered $40MM for 7 years or $40MM for 8 years, why would you want the extra year? What's the value? You may or may not be able to get another contract at the end of this one, but if your take home is the same, I think I'd want to gamble on the 8th year, because if I even make league minimum then, I'm still better off.



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