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There are rumblings Chicago is working on a potential Duncan Keith trade to either the Pacific Northwest or Western Canada. Word is Keith and team are working together to get him to a place he wants to go. We will see where this goes.


Bear for Keith? :)



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He's from the Peg I believe. 2 years left at 5.5M. We could use a stopgap (assuming Klef is done) while we wait for Broberg on the left side. Does Keith have 2 years in a top 4 role left in him though? Not sure. Interesting though.


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jds308 wrote on Wed, 30 June 2021 15:12

He's from the Peg I believe. 2 years left at 5.5M. We could use a stopgap (assuming Klef is done) while we wait for Broberg on the left side. Does Keith have 2 years in a top 4 role left in him though? Not sure. Interesting though.


I get a mountain man vibe from him every time I see him in interviews. Probably not a guy that would stick his nose up to playing for any team in Canada.

We are in treacherous waters here :) I personally don't think he has that much left in the tank, but Holland loves his almost washed up veteran dmen.



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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 30 June 2021 14:20

jds308 wrote on Wed, 30 June 2021 15:12

He's from the Peg I believe. 2 years left at 5.5M. We could use a stopgap (assuming Klef is done) while we wait for Broberg on the left side. Does Keith have 2 years in a top 4 role left in him though? Not sure. Interesting though.


I get a mountain man vibe from him every time I see him in interviews. Probably not a guy that would stick his nose up to playing for any team in Canada.

We are in treacherous waters here :) I personally don't think he has that much left in the tank, but Holland loves his almost washed up veteran dmen.


Word is Chi trying to move Keith to free up cap space to land Seth Jones. Would have to think Caleb could be involved too if this were to happen. Jones bros united in Chi? Maybe that's worth 50% salary retention on Keith too!



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jds308 wrote on Wed, 30 June 2021 14:12

He's from the Peg I believe. 2 years left at 5.5M. We could use a stopgap (assuming Klef is done) while we wait for Broberg on the left side. Does Keith have 2 years in a top 4 role left in him though? Not sure. Interesting though.


15 pts in 54 games last year. He turns 38 in two weeks. This would be a really bad bet, even if Chicago ate half his salary.



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jds308 wrote on Wed, 30 June 2021 14:12

He's from the Peg I believe. 2 years left at 5.5M. We could use a stopgap (assuming Klef is done) while we wait for Broberg on the left side. Does Keith have 2 years in a top 4 role left in him though? Not sure. Interesting though.


15 pts in 54 games last year. He turns 38 in two weeks. This would be a really bad bet, even if Chicago ate half his salary.


Yeah, I would rather find someone younger. Just curious what the angle might be. Could also be another team altogether so...



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Hopefully Vancouver, Calgary, or Seattle for Keith.

Hopefully not Edmonton.



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duncan keith has two yrs left at $5.5 mil cap hit but only $2.1 mil and $1.5 mil in salary. Turns 38 pretty soon.

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Great scoop jim!



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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 30 June 2021 15:35

Matty excited?

Jim Matheson @jimmathesonnhl
duncan keith has two yrs left at $5.5 mil cap hit but only $2.1 mil and $1.5 mil in salary. Turns 38 pretty soon.

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Great scoop jim!


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Are the Hawks taking Neal back because that is the only way I would even pick up the phone to listen for even a min. He's going to be 38 in a few weeks, with a 5.5 mill cap hit. Even though the dollars actually paid are not a lot, a 38 yr old with a cap hit like that for 2 yrs doesn't really sound like a good idea to me.


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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 30 June 2021 16:10

Are the Hawks taking Neal back because that is the only way I would even pick up the phone to listen for even a min. He's going to be 38 in a few weeks, with a 5.5 mill cap hit. Even though the dollars actually paid are not a lot, a 38 yr old with a cap hit like that for 2 yrs doesn't really sound like a good idea to me.


Taking Neal for Keith would be interesting. I think we would have to protect Keith for the expansion draft too if we did take him on.




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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 30 June 2021 16:24

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 30 June 2021 16:10

Are the Hawks taking Neal back because that is the only way I would even pick up the phone to listen for even a min. He's going to be 38 in a few weeks, with a 5.5 mill cap hit. Even though the dollars actually paid are not a lot, a 38 yr old with a cap hit like that for 2 yrs doesn't really sound like a good idea to me.


Taking Neal for Keith would be interesting. I think we would have to protect Keith for the expansion draft too if we did take him on.



Wouldn't his no move clause be over if he accepted a trade to the Oilers?



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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 30 June 2021 16:25

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 30 June 2021 16:24

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 30 June 2021 16:10

Are the Hawks taking Neal back because that is the only way I would even pick up the phone to listen for even a min. He's going to be 38 in a few weeks, with a 5.5 mill cap hit. Even though the dollars actually paid are not a lot, a 38 yr old with a cap hit like that for 2 yrs doesn't really sound like a good idea to me.


Taking Neal for Keith would be interesting. I think we would have to protect Keith for the expansion draft too if we did take him on.



Wouldn't his no move clause be over if he accepted a trade to the Oilers?


I think the NMC holds. You waive for the trade, but stays intact after the trade. For example, Looch kept his, and Calgary had to convince him to waive it for the expansion draft. Doubting Keith would be that generous as he is right now using his NMC leverage to control where he goes.



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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 30 June 2021 16:38

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 30 June 2021 16:25

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 30 June 2021 16:24

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 30 June 2021 16:10

Are the Hawks taking Neal back because that is the only way I would even pick up the phone to listen for even a min. He's going to be 38 in a few weeks, with a 5.5 mill cap hit. Even though the dollars actually paid are not a lot, a 38 yr old with a cap hit like that for 2 yrs doesn't really sound like a good idea to me.


Taking Neal for Keith would be interesting. I think we would have to protect Keith for the expansion draft too if we did take him on.



Wouldn't his no move clause be over if he accepted a trade to the Oilers?


I think the NMC holds. You waive for the trade, but stays intact after the trade. For example, Looch kept his, and Calgary had to convince him to waive it for the expansion draft. Doubting Keith would be that generous as he is right now using his NMC leverage to control where he goes.

I am not 100% sure but I thought with Lucic, the Flames decided to honor the NMC and let him keep it once he became a Flame but I maybe I heard wrong.



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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 30 June 2021 16:38

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 30 June 2021 16:25

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 30 June 2021 16:24

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 30 June 2021 16:10

Are the Hawks taking Neal back because that is the only way I would even pick up the phone to listen for even a min. He's going to be 38 in a few weeks, with a 5.5 mill cap hit. Even though the dollars actually paid are not a lot, a 38 yr old with a cap hit like that for 2 yrs doesn't really sound like a good idea to me.


Taking Neal for Keith would be interesting. I think we would have to protect Keith for the expansion draft too if we did take him on.



Wouldn't his no move clause be over if he accepted a trade to the Oilers?


I think the NMC holds. You waive for the trade, but stays intact after the trade. For example, Looch kept his, and Calgary had to convince him to waive it for the expansion draft. Doubting Keith would be that generous as he is right now using his NMC leverage to control where he goes.

I am not 100% sure but I thought with Lucic, the Flames decided to honor the NMC and let him keep it once he became a Flame but I maybe I heard wrong.


Oh yes. I think you're right. I remember the flames saying they would honor his NMC too now that you mention it. I think this may be something that needs to be sorted before the trade. If a player is demanding a trade somewhere probably less chance the taking team would agree to honor the NMC and maybe the player is ok with that in that situation. They just want out. If the team is trying to push the player out probably more likely the player is able to force the condition that the team taking them has to honor the NMC or they won't waive it at all.



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Kr55 wrote on Thu, 01 July 2021 09:36

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 01 July 2021 08:05

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 30 June 2021 16:38

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 30 June 2021 16:25

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 30 June 2021 16:24

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 30 June 2021 16:10

Are the Hawks taking Neal back because that is the only way I would even pick up the phone to listen for even a min. He's going to be 38 in a few weeks, with a 5.5 mill cap hit. Even though the dollars actually paid are not a lot, a 38 yr old with a cap hit like that for 2 yrs doesn't really sound like a good idea to me.


Taking Neal for Keith would be interesting. I think we would have to protect Keith for the expansion draft too if we did take him on.



Wouldn't his no move clause be over if he accepted a trade to the Oilers?


I think the NMC holds. You waive for the trade, but stays intact after the trade. For example, Looch kept his, and Calgary had to convince him to waive it for the expansion draft. Doubting Keith would be that generous as he is right now using his NMC leverage to control where he goes.

I am not 100% sure but I thought with Lucic, the Flames decided to honor the NMC and let him keep it once he became a Flame but I maybe I heard wrong.


Oh yes. I think you're right. I remember the flames saying they would honor his NMC too now that you mention it. I think this may be something that needs to be sorted before the trade. If a player is demanding a trade somewhere probably less chance the taking team would agree to honor the NMC and maybe the player is ok with that in that situation. They just want out. If the team is trying to push the player out probably more likely the player is able to force the condition that the team taking them has to honor the NMC or they won't waive it at all.

I don't know why a team would honor reinstating the NMC. They didn't give it to him so why do they have to keep it and I don't see how a player can be mad at his new team for not keeping it when they didn't give it to him in the first place.



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RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 01 July 2021 09:42

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 01 July 2021 09:36

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 01 July 2021 08:05

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 30 June 2021 16:38

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 30 June 2021 16:25

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 30 June 2021 16:24

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 30 June 2021 16:10

Are the Hawks taking Neal back because that is the only way I would even pick up the phone to listen for even a min. He's going to be 38 in a few weeks, with a 5.5 mill cap hit. Even though the dollars actually paid are not a lot, a 38 yr old with a cap hit like that for 2 yrs doesn't really sound like a good idea to me.


Taking Neal for Keith would be interesting. I think we would have to protect Keith for the expansion draft too if we did take him on.



Wouldn't his no move clause be over if he accepted a trade to the Oilers?


I think the NMC holds. You waive for the trade, but stays intact after the trade. For example, Looch kept his, and Calgary had to convince him to waive it for the expansion draft. Doubting Keith would be that generous as he is right now using his NMC leverage to control where he goes.

I am not 100% sure but I thought with Lucic, the Flames decided to honor the NMC and let him keep it once he became a Flame but I maybe I heard wrong.


Oh yes. I think you're right. I remember the flames saying they would honor his NMC too now that you mention it. I think this may be something that needs to be sorted before the trade. If a player is demanding a trade somewhere probably less chance the taking team would agree to honor the NMC and maybe the player is ok with that in that situation. They just want out. If the team is trying to push the player out probably more likely the player is able to force the condition that the team taking them has to honor the NMC or they won't waive it at all.

I don't know why a team would honor reinstating the NMC. They didn't give it to him so why do they have to keep it and I don't see how a player can be mad at his new team for not keeping it when they didn't give it to him in the first place.


Yeah, I think the only situation where a player would not insist it's reinstated with the new team in order to waive would be if the player is just so desperate to leave they don't care anymore. Not sure if there have been any recent examples of that.



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RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 01 July 2021 09:42

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 01 July 2021 09:36

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 01 July 2021 08:05

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 30 June 2021 16:38

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 30 June 2021 16:25

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 30 June 2021 16:24

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 30 June 2021 16:10

Are the Hawks taking Neal back because that is the only way I would even pick up the phone to listen for even a min. He's going to be 38 in a few weeks, with a 5.5 mill cap hit. Even though the dollars actually paid are not a lot, a 38 yr old with a cap hit like that for 2 yrs doesn't really sound like a good idea to me.


Taking Neal for Keith would be interesting. I think we would have to protect Keith for the expansion draft too if we did take him on.



Wouldn't his no move clause be over if he accepted a trade to the Oilers?


I think the NMC holds. You waive for the trade, but stays intact after the trade. For example, Looch kept his, and Calgary had to convince him to waive it for the expansion draft. Doubting Keith would be that generous as he is right now using his NMC leverage to control where he goes.

I am not 100% sure but I thought with Lucic, the Flames decided to honor the NMC and let him keep it once he became a Flame but I maybe I heard wrong.


Oh yes. I think you're right. I remember the flames saying they would honor his NMC too now that you mention it. I think this may be something that needs to be sorted before the trade. If a player is demanding a trade somewhere probably less chance the taking team would agree to honor the NMC and maybe the player is ok with that in that situation. They just want out. If the team is trying to push the player out probably more likely the player is able to force the condition that the team taking them has to honor the NMC or they won't waive it at all.

I don't know why a team would honor reinstating the NMC. They didn't give it to him so why do they have to keep it and I don't see how a player can be mad at his new team for not keeping it when they didn't give it to him in the first place.


Player keeps his NMC as per the new CBA.

“The clause can travel with the player even if he consents to being traded or is claimed on waiver.

This requires that the acquiring team sign an addendum to the contract ensuring that the clause does in fact travel with the player (written by the player's agent)
If the acquiring team refuses to sign the addendum, and the player waives his clause anyway, at that point the clause may be nullified”



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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 30 June 2021 15:24

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 30 June 2021 16:10

Are the Hawks taking Neal back because that is the only way I would even pick up the phone to listen for even a min. He's going to be 38 in a few weeks, with a 5.5 mill cap hit. Even though the dollars actually paid are not a lot, a 38 yr old with a cap hit like that for 2 yrs doesn't really sound like a good idea to me.


Taking Neal for Keith would be interesting. I think we would have to protect Keith for the expansion draft too if we did take him on.




What about a 3-way with Seattle involving Neal. Edm ends up with Keith in, Neal out. Seattle ends up with Neal + pick/prospect via Chi/Edm. Chi ends up with cap space. Still not sure I do the deal tbh. Is Keith more useable than Neal at this point? Not sure.



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jds308 wrote on Wed, 30 June 2021 16:34

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 30 June 2021 15:24

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 30 June 2021 16:10

Are the Hawks taking Neal back because that is the only way I would even pick up the phone to listen for even a min. He's going to be 38 in a few weeks, with a 5.5 mill cap hit. Even though the dollars actually paid are not a lot, a 38 yr old with a cap hit like that for 2 yrs doesn't really sound like a good idea to me.


Taking Neal for Keith would be interesting. I think we would have to protect Keith for the expansion draft too if we did take him on.




What about a 3-way with Seattle involving Neal. Edm ends up with Keith in, Neal out. Seattle ends up with Neal + pick/prospect via Chi/Edm. Chi ends up with cap space. Still not sure I do the deal tbh. Is Keith more useable than Neal at this point? Not sure.


Oilers trade Neal for Keith. Oilers leave Keith exposed because he doesn't have a no move anymore. Seattle takes him. Neal's 5.75 mill gone from the books and doesn't cost the Oilers a thing.

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I gotta think that Winnipeg would love to add a hometown HOFer to calm the defence corp down and teach for a couple years. There is value to bringing in veterans.


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Sounds like he's going to Calgary. Nothing to see here.


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This would all come down to timing and what the want back.
1. He would still have to be protected. That ups the odds at losing a much more usful player to the Kraken.
2. If the rumours of them wanting to clear space to run at Seth Jones are true I doubt they are willing to take a bad contract back or retain salary.
3. If they are willing to take a late pick to dump his salary and willing to do it the day after the expansion draft I look at it but would still be hesitant. I done see him being a top defenseman for long, might be over his head already, I didnt see him play much this year.

As NetBog said, there is value in veterans, especially ones with playoff/cup experience. I would just prefer it was someone signing low dollar, one year deals like Perry and others have done.
I have very little desire for a guy with any term at all or much of a cap hit. There is a reason the Hawks are shopping him.



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If it wasn’t for Patrick Johnston’s tweet (link below) then I’d think the Journal octodegenerates assumption that the Oilers are the frontrunner for Keith is hogwash. But, Patrick Johnston, a Canucks reporter for the Sun, is legitimately one of Keith’s 46 follows on twitter. So id think he’s close to Keith and his people.


https://twitter.com/risingaction/status/1410366297808859137? s=21

Don't think Duncan Keith is headed to Vancouver. Seattle or Edmonton seem most likely.

Connecting some dots:


https://theprovince.com/sports/hockey/nhl/duncan-keith-could -be-on-the-move-to-a-pacific-northwest-team-report/wcm/2f4ec a4f-0140-4289-9812-07cd0f45ba91/amp/?__twitter_impression=tr ue

Chicago Blackhawks captain Duncan Keith could be suiting up for a new team next fall, according to a report from Sportsnet’s Elliotte Friedman.

According to Friedman, Keith has been working with the Blackhawks to set up a trade to a team in either the Pacific Northwest or Western Canada.

Such a list would include the Vancouver Canucks, Seattle Kraken, Edmonton Oilers and Calgary Flames. And perhaps the Winnipeg Jets, but given a particular item suggested to Postmedia by a source, it seems likely the Jets are too far east.

According to the source, Keith’s desire is to play for a team closer to his eight-year-old son, who lives in Penticton with his mom, Keith’s ex-wife.

Another source told Postmedia that, as it stands, the Canucks are not believed to be a team interested in trading for Keith, though of course they do have a hole on the left side of their defence. Their cap situation remains very tight and they seem inclined toward re-signing Alex Edler to fill the left-D hole.

Keith has two years left on his contract, which carries a cap hit of $5.38 million per season, but is owed just $3.6 million in actual salary over those remaining two seasons.

The Oilers have cap space to work with, as do the Kraken, of course. And both are relatively short flights from Penticton.

The Flames seem unlikely, given how tight their cap situation is.

Keith, who turns 38 in just over two weeks, was born in Winnipeg but grew up in the Okanagan, playing minor and junior hockey in Penticton and Kelowna.



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If it wasn’t for Patrick Johnston’s tweet (link below) then I’d think the Journal octodegenerates assumption that the Oilers are the frontrunner for Keith is hogwash. But, Patrick Johnston, a Canucks reporter for the Sun, is legitimately one of Keith’s 46 follows on twitter. So id think he’s close to Keith and his people.


https://twitter.com/risingaction/status/1410366297808859137? s=21

Don't think Duncan Keith is headed to Vancouver. Seattle or Edmonton seem most likely.

Connecting some dots:


https://theprovince.com/sports/hockey/nhl/duncan-keith-could -be-on-the-move-to-a-pacific-northwest-team-report/wcm/2f4ec a4f-0140-4289-9812-07cd0f45ba91/amp/?__twitter_impression=tr ue

Chicago Blackhawks captain Duncan Keith could be suiting up for a new team next fall, according to a report from Sportsnet’s Elliotte Friedman.

According to Friedman, Keith has been working with the Blackhawks to set up a trade to a team in either the Pacific Northwest or Western Canada.

Such a list would include the Vancouver Canucks, Seattle Kraken, Edmonton Oilers and Calgary Flames. And perhaps the Winnipeg Jets, but given a particular item suggested to Postmedia by a source, it seems likely the Jets are too far east.

According to the source, Keith’s desire is to play for a team closer to his eight-year-old son, who lives in Penticton with his mom, Keith’s ex-wife.

Another source told Postmedia that, as it stands, the Canucks are not believed to be a team interested in trading for Keith, though of course they do have a hole on the left side of their defence. Their cap situation remains very tight and they seem inclined toward re-signing Alex Edler to fill the left-D hole.

Keith has two years left on his contract, which carries a cap hit of $5.38 million per season, but is owed just $3.6 million in actual salary over those remaining two seasons.

The Oilers have cap space to work with, as do the Kraken, of course. And both are relatively short flights from Penticton.

The Flames seem unlikely, given how tight their cap situation is.

Keith, who turns 38 in just over two weeks, was born in Winnipeg but grew up in the Okanagan, playing minor and junior hockey in Penticton and Kelowna.



Holland's been there. Last time he had a super old dman on his team he won a cup. Twice actually. Chelios there to win at 40 and 46 years of age.



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Kr55 wrote on Thu, 01 July 2021 20:15

Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 01 July 2021 19:51

If it wasn’t for Patrick Johnston’s tweet (link below) then I’d think the Journal octodegenerates assumption that the Oilers are the frontrunner for Keith is hogwash. But, Patrick Johnston, a Canucks reporter for the Sun, is legitimately one of Keith’s 46 follows on twitter. So id think he’s close to Keith and his people.


https://twitter.com/risingaction/status/1410366297808859137? s=21

Don't think Duncan Keith is headed to Vancouver. Seattle or Edmonton seem most likely.

Connecting some dots:


https://theprovince.com/sports/hockey/nhl/duncan-keith-could -be-on-the-move-to-a-pacific-northwest-team-report/wcm/2f4ec a4f-0140-4289-9812-07cd0f45ba91/amp/?__twitter_impression=tr ue

Chicago Blackhawks captain Duncan Keith could be suiting up for a new team next fall, according to a report from Sportsnet’s Elliotte Friedman.

According to Friedman, Keith has been working with the Blackhawks to set up a trade to a team in either the Pacific Northwest or Western Canada.

Such a list would include the Vancouver Canucks, Seattle Kraken, Edmonton Oilers and Calgary Flames. And perhaps the Winnipeg Jets, but given a particular item suggested to Postmedia by a source, it seems likely the Jets are too far east.

According to the source, Keith’s desire is to play for a team closer to his eight-year-old son, who lives in Penticton with his mom, Keith’s ex-wife.

Another source told Postmedia that, as it stands, the Canucks are not believed to be a team interested in trading for Keith, though of course they do have a hole on the left side of their defence. Their cap situation remains very tight and they seem inclined toward re-signing Alex Edler to fill the left-D hole.

Keith has two years left on his contract, which carries a cap hit of $5.38 million per season, but is owed just $3.6 million in actual salary over those remaining two seasons.

The Oilers have cap space to work with, as do the Kraken, of course. And both are relatively short flights from Penticton.

The Flames seem unlikely, given how tight their cap situation is.

Keith, who turns 38 in just over two weeks, was born in Winnipeg but grew up in the Okanagan, playing minor and junior hockey in Penticton and Kelowna.



Holland's been there. Last time he had a super old dman on his team he won a cup. Twice actually. Chelios there to win at 40 and 46 years of age.


I know there’s a solid amount of disdain for this out there, but Keith paired with Bouch could be really good for Bouch and the Oilers.



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I wouldn’t be totally opposed to it if we could send them Kassian or Neal. But it would have to be either after the Seattle draft or no honouring of his NMC.

And I agree - Bouchard and Keith could be good for Bouchard.



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Mike wrote on Thu, 01 July 2021 20:52

I wouldn’t be totally opposed to it if we could send them Kassian or Neal. But it would have to be either after the Seattle draft or no honouring of his NMC.

And I agree - Bouchard and Keith could be good for Bouchard.


There’s also a few rumblings about it bringing Strome as a sweetener to take Keith. If you could finagle Strome out of there.. you do it.

Keith, Strome and a 2nd for Jones, Khaira’s rights and Koski (25% retained)?



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Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 01 July 2021 21:18

Mike wrote on Thu, 01 July 2021 20:52

I wouldn’t be totally opposed to it if we could send them Kassian or Neal. But it would have to be either after the Seattle draft or no honouring of his NMC.

And I agree - Bouchard and Keith could be good for Bouchard.


There’s also a few rumblings about it bringing Strome as a sweetener to take Keith. If you could finagle Strome out of there.. you do it.

Keith, Strome and a 2nd for Jones, Khaira’s rights and Koski (25% retained)?


I'm game for Keith+Strome if Chicago will take at least half of Neal's deal back which evens out the cap move for Strome. Chicago needs that NMC off their books if they want Jones. They're not in that bad of shape with cap with their guaranteed LTIR with Shaw/Seabrook.



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I heard somewhere that Keith's kid is in the Okanagan, I think Edmonton is a match geographically, and team position.
Pair him with Larsson, or on 3D.
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Trade C. Jones to Chicago, get Chicago to keep $2M+ with a sweetener thrown in.

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Skookum Jim wrote on Fri, 02 July 2021 03:40

I heard somewhere that Keith's kid is in the Okanagan, I think Edmonton is a match geographically, and team position.
Pair him with Larsson, or on 3D.
Guy is a warrior, tough as nails, great wheels.

Trade C. Jones to Chicago, get Chicago to keep $2M+ with a sweetener thrown in.



Dijya read it in my above post citing a Vancouver reporter who is one of the 46 people Duncan Keith follows on twitter?



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Trade Neal & retain 1/2 cap & C. Jones
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Keith (CHI retains $1.54M to get his cap to $4M)
CHI buys out Neal (both teams get a $.950K x 4 yrs cap hit)

Oilers get the 2nd pair LD who has won before, is a “grey hair” to help our young leaders, He keeps the spot until Broberg/Samarukov are ready for prime time. We are most likely losing Jones in expansion anyways, so not much of a loss. We protect Keith & have a handshake deal with Larrson waiting after expansion. The Oilers most likely have about $4M ear-marked for that #4 LD spot anyways. They use Jones $$$ & the big dump of Neal’s cap ($5.75M to $.950K) to fill that hole due to Klefbom’s injury.

CHI dumps salary & gives one of its Cup core what he wants. They saves $2.2M of cap space in this deal with the Neal buy out & retaining a small portion of Keith’s cap hit. They get Jones who is key to going after his brother Seth....who is the real piece they truly want.

This would be a deal that would work for both sides. Keith is said to be in excellent physical shape, is a great attitude player & is a natural leader on/off the ice. If he can play 18-20 minutes a night & mentor the likes of Nurse, Bear & Bouchard....that is worth having him the next 2 years. Holland has said numerous times that you make these type of trades to supplement the core leadership to bring in people who know how to win. This deal gets done in the 48 hour buyout window after the Stanley Cup is handed out.



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Jakey wrote on Fri, 02 July 2021 08:57

Trade Neal & retain 1/2 cap & C. Jones
For
Keith (CHI retains $1.54M to get his cap to $4M)
CHI buys out Neal (both teams get a $.950K x 4 yrs cap hit)

Oilers get the 2nd pair LD who has won before, is a “grey hair” to help our young leaders, He keeps the spot until Broberg/Samarukov are ready for prime time. We are most likely losing Jones in expansion anyways, so not much of a loss. We protect Keith & have a handshake deal with Larrson waiting after expansion. The Oilers most likely have about $4M ear-marked for that #4 LD spot anyways. They use Jones $$$ & the big dump of Neal’s cap ($5.75M to $.950K) to fill that hole due to Klefbom’s injury.

CHI dumps salary & gives one of its Cup core what he wants. They saves $2.2M of cap space in this deal with the Neal buy out & retaining a small portion of Keith’s cap hit. They get Jones who is key to going after his brother Seth....who is the real piece they truly want.

This would be a deal that would work for both sides. Keith is said to be in excellent physical shape, is a great attitude player & is a natural leader on/off the ice. If he can play 18-20 minutes a night & mentor the likes of Nurse, Bear & Bouchard....that is worth having him the next 2 years. Holland has said numerous times that you make these type of trades to supplement the core leadership to bring in people who know how to win. This deal gets done in the 48 hour buyout window after the Stanley Cup is handed out.


No Strome? :)

If Keith is restricting his trade list to a couple teams and they are desperate to move him we have massive leverage here. We should be getting something extra IMO beyond just some evening out of cap.



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Briefly put this in its own thread, but now moving it back.

This one seems big and relevant enough that it probably deserves its own thread, rather than relegation to the summer rumours thread so I thought it worthwhile to break it out - so maybe the name of this thread should be changed? And the little less scintillating rumours of the summer can have their own home elsewhere?

I'm a little concerned about this, because we're seeing a lot of smoke around this rumour. Matheson trying to sell up how little the cost is in actual salary (as if we're a cap floor team that badly needs inflated cap hits), Gregor pointing out the success Holland had with Chris Chelios as a fossil on the Detroit blue line, Rishaug weighing in and of course the ridiculously fawning Kurt Leavins talking it up in his laughable article.

The fact is though, Duncan Keith is old and in full decline. He's played big minutes still and maybe that hasn't helped him, but do we believe that he'd replace Kris Russell in the Oilers defence? or that Tippett would be rolling him out as a 2LD behind Nurse? If this was a Corey Perry or Jason Spezza contract, where you were getting him for a single year at a league minimum rate, I could maybe understand the gamble, but two years left with a cap hit of over $5MM? That would just eat up our ability to fill other holes this summer, without adequately really patching any current ones. Loading up on third pairing guys isn't going to help our second pairing.

The only way this makes any sense to me is if it's a deal where, say, James Neal and Kris Russell go the other way. If we could clear enough cap hit in the process of the trade, and get rid of some of our dead weight? Maybe.

I would look at deals for Dylan Strome though...so long as we don't get saddled with a problem contract as part of the trade.

EDIT TO ADD:

I also don't think I'd put Caleb Jones in the deal. First off, I think at their present levels of play, Jones is probably better than Duncan Keith. Generally, it's a bad idea to make deals where you get the worse player, simply because the other player USED to be a better player. Where he's also more expensive? That's even worse. If we just want him around for his experience, we can hire him as an assistant coach or mascot after he retires.

We're in a position where we're going to lose someone of value to the Kraken, and it's most likely Jones. If he is part of the trade to Chicago, then it means we get to also lose someone else of some level of value.

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Adam wrote on Fri, 02 July 2021 11:20

Briefly put this in its own thread, but now moving it back.

This one seems big and relevant enough that it probably deserves its own thread, rather than relegation to the summer rumours thread so I thought it worthwhile to break it out - so maybe the name of this thread should be changed? And the little less scintillating rumours of the summer can have their own home elsewhere?

I'm a little concerned about this, because we're seeing a lot of smoke around this rumour. Matheson trying to sell up how little the cost is in actual salary (as if we're a cap floor team that badly needs inflated cap hits), Gregor pointing out the success Holland had with Chris Chelios as a fossil on the Detroit blue line, Rishaug weighing in and of course the ridiculously fawning Kurt Leavins talking it up in his laughable article.

The fact is though, Duncan Keith is old and in full decline. He's played big minutes still and maybe that hasn't helped him, but do we believe that he'd replace Kris Russell in the Oilers defence? or that Tippett would be rolling him out as a 2LD behind Nurse? If this was a Corey Perry or Jason Spezza contract, where you were getting him for a single year at a league minimum rate, I could maybe understand the gamble, but two years left with a cap hit of over $5MM? That would just eat up our ability to fill other holes this summer, without adequately really patching any current ones. Loading up on third pairing guys isn't going to help our second pairing.

The only way this makes any sense to me is if it's a deal where, say, James Neal and Kris Russell go the other way. If we could clear enough cap hit in the process of the trade, and get rid of some of our dead weight? Maybe.

I would look at deals for Dylan Strome though...so long as we don't get saddled with a problem contract as part of the trade.

EDIT TO ADD:

I also don't think I'd put Caleb Jones in the deal. First off, I think at their present levels of play, Jones is probably better than Duncan Keith. Generally, it's a bad idea to make deals where you get the worse player, simply because the other player USED to be a better player. Where he's also more expensive? That's even worse. If we just want him around for his experience, we can hire him as an assistant coach or mascot after he retires.

We're in a position where we're going to lose someone of value to the Kraken, and it's most likely Jones. If he is part of the trade to Chicago, then it means we get to also lose someone else of some level of value.




Can't say I could have predicted we would actually be in on Keith, lol. Kind of just threw it out there to start the thread expecting it to be filled with far less consequential stuff. Maybe does deserve a thread all alone, but not much else goin on either :)

Got a feeling our management would be super excited about getting a 3 time cup winner, olympic gold medalist, etc... guy on our team. So, quickly shifting to silver linings mode! Hope all of the reasons Keith's stats looked horrible last year were just because of too much ice time!



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Kr55 wrote on Fri, 02 July 2021 12:21

Adam wrote on Fri, 02 July 2021 11:20

Briefly put this in its own thread, but now moving it back.

This one seems big and relevant enough that it probably deserves its own thread, rather than relegation to the summer rumours thread so I thought it worthwhile to break it out - so maybe the name of this thread should be changed? And the little less scintillating rumours of the summer can have their own home elsewhere?

I'm a little concerned about this, because we're seeing a lot of smoke around this rumour. Matheson trying to sell up how little the cost is in actual salary (as if we're a cap floor team that badly needs inflated cap hits), Gregor pointing out the success Holland had with Chris Chelios as a fossil on the Detroit blue line, Rishaug weighing in and of course the ridiculously fawning Kurt Leavins talking it up in his laughable article.

The fact is though, Duncan Keith is old and in full decline. He's played big minutes still and maybe that hasn't helped him, but do we believe that he'd replace Kris Russell in the Oilers defence? or that Tippett would be rolling him out as a 2LD behind Nurse? If this was a Corey Perry or Jason Spezza contract, where you were getting him for a single year at a league minimum rate, I could maybe understand the gamble, but two years left with a cap hit of over $5MM? That would just eat up our ability to fill other holes this summer, without adequately really patching any current ones. Loading up on third pairing guys isn't going to help our second pairing.

The only way this makes any sense to me is if it's a deal where, say, James Neal and Kris Russell go the other way. If we could clear enough cap hit in the process of the trade, and get rid of some of our dead weight? Maybe.

I would look at deals for Dylan Strome though...so long as we don't get saddled with a problem contract as part of the trade.

EDIT TO ADD:

I also don't think I'd put Caleb Jones in the deal. First off, I think at their present levels of play, Jones is probably better than Duncan Keith. Generally, it's a bad idea to make deals where you get the worse player, simply because the other player USED to be a better player. Where he's also more expensive? That's even worse. If we just want him around for his experience, we can hire him as an assistant coach or mascot after he retires.

We're in a position where we're going to lose someone of value to the Kraken, and it's most likely Jones. If he is part of the trade to Chicago, then it means we get to also lose someone else of some level of value.




Can't say I could have predicted we would actually be in on Keith, lol. Kind of just threw it out there to start the thread expecting it to be filled with far less consequential stuff. Maybe does deserve a thread all alone, but not much else goin on either :)

Got a feeling our management would be super excited about getting a 3 time cup winner, olympic gold medalist, etc... guy on our team. So, quickly shifting to silver linings mode! Hope all of the reasons Keith's stats looked horrible last year were just because of too much ice time!

We've seen the Montreal narrative grow about how important the old guys, who won a cup, (WAC) have been to their success. Why wouldn't the Oilers jump on that positive press bandwagon? This almost makes too much sense. If he was a good Alberta boy (GAB) it would already be done.




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He’s almost 38, averaged 24:57 of ice time throughout his career. So he’s been rode hard and put away wet. Fancy stats have him falling off of a cliff. Red flags everywhere.

That being said, in the right deal where Chicago takes back one of our problem contracts I’d be open to the idea. I was reading that Keith never had a partner all year. His most consistent line mate was Adam Bodqvist who were on the ice together for 27% of the time. They were good together. Was the rookie holding up the vet or was it the sheltered minutes? After that, Keith has a dog’s breakfast for linemates on a team with a lot of inexperience. Also Keith is supposed to be some sort of fitness freak, so I’m lead to believe his body will hold up.

Is Keith a better gamble for the next two years over Neal? Almost assuredly. The only way I want him on our team is if we are getting rid of bad money too.



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inverno76 wrote on Fri, 02 July 2021 12:46

He’s almost 38, averaged 24:57 of ice time throughout his career. So he’s been rode hard and put away wet. Fancy stats have him falling off of a cliff. Red flags everywhere.

That being said, in the right deal where Chicago takes back one of our problem contracts I’d be open to the idea. I was reading that Keith never had a partner all year. His most consistent line mate was Adam Bodqvist who were on the ice together for 27% of the time. They were good together. Was the rookie holding up the vet or was it the sheltered minutes? After that, Keith has a dog’s breakfast for linemates on a team with a lot of inexperience. Also Keith is supposed to be some sort of fitness freak, so I’m lead to believe his body will hold up.

Is Keith a better gamble for the next two years over Neal? Almost assuredly. The only way I want him on our team is if we are getting rid of bad money too.


Yeah, if we take on Duncan Keith and also end up the team that's taken on more cap, then it's a total failure - especially as Kr55 said earlier, if Keith is giving the 'Hawks only limited options on where he'll accept a trade to.

At some point you have to try to press your advantage on these things (even if Jim Matheson is today mulling about whether it is important if the Oilers win a trade). If you're going to do this, then you have to find a way to make it palatable. If it's simply Jones for Keith, even if the 'Hawks retain a little money, that's a disaster.



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Adam wrote on Fri, 02 July 2021 12:07

inverno76 wrote on Fri, 02 July 2021 12:46

He’s almost 38, averaged 24:57 of ice time throughout his career. So he’s been rode hard and put away wet. Fancy stats have him falling off of a cliff. Red flags everywhere.

That being said, in the right deal where Chicago takes back one of our problem contracts I’d be open to the idea. I was reading that Keith never had a partner all year. His most consistent line mate was Adam Bodqvist who were on the ice together for 27% of the time. They were good together. Was the rookie holding up the vet or was it the sheltered minutes? After that, Keith has a dog’s breakfast for linemates on a team with a lot of inexperience. Also Keith is supposed to be some sort of fitness freak, so I’m lead to believe his body will hold up.

Is Keith a better gamble for the next two years over Neal? Almost assuredly. The only way I want him on our team is if we are getting rid of bad money too.


Yeah, if we take on Duncan Keith and also end up the team that's taken on more cap, then it's a total failure - especially as Kr55 said earlier, if Keith is giving the 'Hawks only limited options on where he'll accept a trade to.

At some point you have to try to press your advantage on these things (even if Jim Matheson is today mulling about whether it is important if the Oilers win a trade). If you're going to do this, then you have to find a way to make it palatable. If it's simply Jones for Keith, even if the 'Hawks retain a little money, that's a disaster.


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Adam wrote on Fri, 02 July 2021 12:07

inverno76 wrote on Fri, 02 July 2021 12:46

He’s almost 38, averaged 24:57 of ice time throughout his career. So he’s been rode hard and put away wet. Fancy stats have him falling off of a cliff. Red flags everywhere.

That being said, in the right deal where Chicago takes back one of our problem contracts I’d be open to the idea. I was reading that Keith never had a partner all year. His most consistent line mate was Adam Bodqvist who were on the ice together for 27% of the time. They were good together. Was the rookie holding up the vet or was it the sheltered minutes? After that, Keith has a dog’s breakfast for linemates on a team with a lot of inexperience. Also Keith is supposed to be some sort of fitness freak, so I’m lead to believe his body will hold up.

Is Keith a better gamble for the next two years over Neal? Almost assuredly. The only way I want him on our team is if we are getting rid of bad money too.


Yeah, if we take on Duncan Keith and also end up the team that's taken on more cap, then it's a total failure - especially as Kr55 said earlier, if Keith is giving the 'Hawks only limited options on where he'll accept a trade to.

At some point you have to try to press your advantage on these things (even if Jim Matheson is today mulling about whether it is important if the Oilers win a trade). If you're going to do this, then you have to find a way to make it palatable. If it's simply Jones for Keith, even if the 'Hawks retain a little money, that's a disaster.


Andrew Ference


On a couple levels they are a similar story line, but Keith still provides mobility and has a HOF pedigree behind him. Ference had intangibles and truculence. Still a skeptic, but Keith is a better choice.



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