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 The Blackhawks and Allegations of Sexual Assault [message #788189]
Wed, 23 June 2021 15:58 Go to next message
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There has been a few articles on this from TSN's Rick Westhead for a few months as the story develops.

https://www.tsn.ca/former-blackhawks-player-alleges-he-was-s exually-assaulted-by-coach-1.1639402

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An unnamed former Chicago Blackhawks player who was a member of the 2010 Stanley Cup-winning team has filed a lawsuit accusing the Blackhawks of ignoring allegations that he and an unidentified teammate were sexually assaulted by a Blackhawks coach.

The plaintiff, who is referred to as “John Doe” in court documents, alleges that former Blackhawks video coach Brad Aldrich was watching pornography and began to masturbate in front of him without his consent in May 2010.

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The former Blackhawks player alleged that Aldrich, who no longer works for the National Hockey League franchise, also sent him “inappropriate text messages” and threatened him “physically, financially and emotionally” if he “did not engage in sexual activity.”


https://www.tsn.ca/lawsuit-alleges-blackhawks-gave-sexual-ab user-positive-reference-letter-1.1648243

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A former high school hockey player who alleges he was sexually abused by a former Chicago Blackhawks coach is suing the National Hockey League franchise for allegedly providing a positive employment reference to the coach despite knowing he was a sexual predator.

The plaintiff, who is referred to as “John Doe (2)” in court documents, alleges that former Blackhawks video coach Brad Aldrich, who no longer works for the franchise, sexually assaulted him on March 6, 2013, when Aldrich was an assistant coach on a high school team in Houghton, Mich., and the plaintiff was a 16-year-old player.

“At an end of season gathering for the players, Aldrich provided alcohol to the then minor plaintiff and performed oral sex on the plaintiff without his consent,” the six-page lawsuit says.

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TSN reported last week that two former Blackhawks reported to then-skills coach Paul Vincent in May 2010 during the Western Conference finals that they had been abused by Aldrich.

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Vincent says he asked the team’s management to report the allegations to Chicago police but that his plea was rejected.

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Vincent alleges that after the players approached him on May 16, 2010, in San Jose, he asked Blackhawks sports psychologist James Gary to follow up with the players and management.

The following day, Vincent says he was called into a meeting with team president John McDonough, general manager Stan Bowman, vice-president of hockey operations Al MacIsaac, and Gary. Vincent said that he asked the team to report the alleged abuse to Chicago police. That request was refused, Vincent said.



https://www.tsn.ca/alleged-assaults-of-chicago-blackhawks-pl ayers-an-open-secret-source-1.1659115


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A second lawsuit filed in May by a former Michigan high school hockey player, identified in court documents as “John Doe (2)” alleges the Blackhawks covered up the abuse of two players and gave Aldrich a letter of reference when he left the team in the summer of 2010. That letter gave him the opportunity to go on and find other victims, the lawsuit alleges.

Aldrich was convicted of abusing a then-17-year-old hockey player in Houghton, Mich., in 2013. A year earlier, Aldrich resigned from his position as director of hockey operations at Miami University on Nov. 27, 2012, “under suspicion of unwanted touching of a male adult,” the university’s attorney told police, according to police records obtained by TSN.



Considering that the person in question (Brad Aldrich) had already been convicted in an abuse case unrelated to his time in Chicago, this looks real ugly on the Blackhawks.

We aren't hearing about this story much outside of Rick Westhead from TSN. Nothing to be seen on Sportsnet. I hope they get to the bottom of this. Disgusting on the part of the people who knew in the Blackhawks organization if true.



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Horrendous story. Heads will roll and rightfully so if these allegations are true. Sounds pretty damning.


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inverno76 wrote on Wed, 23 June 2021 23:02

Horrendous story. Heads will roll and rightfully so if these allegations are true. Sounds pretty damning.


It's kind of stunning how a video coach could wield this kind of power over NHL level players. This guy must be a pretty nasty manipulator. Definitely will need to see some accountability from people in the Hawks org.



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Lots of same info, but article in the athletic today

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here are screenshots of the full blackhawks sa article published by the athletic today, this information should not be behind a paywall.


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Blackhawks looking to get out of this:

https://chicago.suntimes.com/blackhawks/2021/7/9/22570813/bl ackhawks-sexual-assault-lawsuit-motion-to-dismiss-bradley-al drich-michigan-houghton-high-school

Arguing that they actually had no responsibility to report any of what happened and it was fine to keep it all internal in their org.

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The Blackhawks filed Friday a motion to dismiss the negligence lawsuit filed against them by the Michigan high school hockey player who was allegedly sexually assaulted by former Hawks video coach Bradley Aldrich in 2013.

The Hawks now have motions to dismiss pending in both lawsuits against them, having filed such a motion June 14 in the lawsuit filed by the former Hawks player (identified as “John Doe 1”) alleging Aldrich sexually assaulted him in 2010.

The new motion, obtained by the Sun-Times, also claims Hawks management had no “statutory duty” to report Aldrich’s alleged assault of Doe 1 to police.

The main portion of the motion presents the Hawks’ argument that the unnamed high schooler has “no basis to sue [the Hawks] for the criminal act committed by Aldrich years after he was employed [by the Hawks].”

Aldrich, who left the Hawks after the 2010 Stanley Cup and was a volunteer assistant coach for the Houghton (Michigan) High School boy’s hockey team in 2013, pled guilty that year to assaulting the high schooler and served nine months in prison. The high schooler — who was 16 years old at the time, per Michigan police documents, but is now an adult — is identified as “John Doe 2” in court documents.

The motion offers two main arguments. First, the Hawks argue they “under Illinois law...[have] no duty to protect an individual from the criminal acts of a third party,” given they neither knew Doe 2 nor employed Aldrich at the time.

Second, the Hawks argue the claim in the original lawsuit that they provided “positive references to future employers of Aldrich” is “vague and factually unsupported.” They also argue the lawsuit’s lack of allegation claiming they provided positive reference specifically to Houghton High School is a “fatal omission,” rendering irrelevant any arguments about whether they provided positive references to other employers.



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Chicago will likely win this argument and unfortunately it’ll be forgotten about by the fans and media before the team hits the ice next season.

The team though? Can’t see this helping their culture and if the that management group is that morally decrepit, then I could see more players such as Keith wanting out. This all about money now and the main focus is now secondary. Big business will always run over the people.



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inverno76 wrote on Sat, 10 July 2021 12:47

Can’t see this helping their culture and if the that management group is that morally decrepit, then I could see more players such as Keith wanting out. This all about money now and the main focus is now secondary. Big business will always run over the people.


I mean, tough to say. The long-standing members of the Hawks (Keith, Toews, Kane, etc) all would have been there when Aldrich assaulted the anonymous Hawks players, and if the reports are to be believed, were aware of the alleged assault during the trip to San Jose.

They may want out due to the bad PR, but it's probably not some moral high ground, or this would have been an issue long before it became public knowledge a decade later. The onus wasn't really on them to deal with Aldrich - that was a leadership and management failure - but they still may have been complicit in their silence, and acceptance of Aldrich's role on the team.



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Rumours the Blackhawks also guilty of sodomizing a western conference team. confused2


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Mike wrote on Mon, 12 July 2021 15:22

Rumours the Blackhawks also guilty of sodomizing a western conference team. confused2

Not to make light of the thread topic, but Kenny got worked with no lube. The key difference here being that Kenny was by all accounts a willing participant.



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K.McC#24 wrote on Tue, 13 July 2021 12:50

Mike wrote on Mon, 12 July 2021 15:22

Rumours the Blackhawks also guilty of sodomizing a western conference team. confused2

Not to make light of the thread topic, but Kenny got worked with no lube. The key difference here being that Kenny was by all accounts a willing participant.


Do we have no rights as Oilers fans here? I feel like this is a big gap in the rule of law.



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mightyreasoner wrote on Sat, 10 July 2021 17:24

inverno76 wrote on Sat, 10 July 2021 12:47

Can’t see this helping their culture and if the that management group is that morally decrepit, then I could see more players such as Keith wanting out. This all about money now and the main focus is now secondary. Big business will always run over the people.


I mean, tough to say. The long-standing members of the Hawks (Keith, Toews, Kane, etc) all would have been there when Aldrich assaulted the anonymous Hawks players, and if the reports are to be believed, were aware of the alleged assault during the trip to San Jose.

They may want out due to the bad PR, but it's probably not some moral high ground, or this would have been an issue long before it became public knowledge a decade later. The onus wasn't really on them to deal with Aldrich - that was a leadership and management failure - but they still may have been complicit in their silence, and acceptance of Aldrich's role on the team.


Did you see the comments from Keith on this? Not exactly great...just brushing it off and saying he's moving on.



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Adam wrote on Tue, 13 July 2021 12:56

mightyreasoner wrote on Sat, 10 July 2021 17:24

inverno76 wrote on Sat, 10 July 2021 12:47

Can’t see this helping their culture and if the that management group is that morally decrepit, then I could see more players such as Keith wanting out. This all about money now and the main focus is now secondary. Big business will always run over the people.


I mean, tough to say. The long-standing members of the Hawks (Keith, Toews, Kane, etc) all would have been there when Aldrich assaulted the anonymous Hawks players, and if the reports are to be believed, were aware of the alleged assault during the trip to San Jose.

They may want out due to the bad PR, but it's probably not some moral high ground, or this would have been an issue long before it became public knowledge a decade later. The onus wasn't really on them to deal with Aldrich - that was a leadership and management failure - but they still may have been complicit in their silence, and acceptance of Aldrich's role on the team.


Did you see the comments from Keith on this? Not exactly great...just brushing it off and saying he's moving on.


I haven't seen them. But yeah, any clutching of pearls is due to the public spotlight more than any moral fortitude from new revelations. It happened a decade ago, and it wasn't a big enough issue to them to leave before now.



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Adam wrote on Tue, 13 July 2021 13:56

mightyreasoner wrote on Sat, 10 July 2021 17:24

inverno76 wrote on Sat, 10 July 2021 12:47

Can’t see this helping their culture and if the that management group is that morally decrepit, then I could see more players such as Keith wanting out. This all about money now and the main focus is now secondary. Big business will always run over the people.


I mean, tough to say. The long-standing members of the Hawks (Keith, Toews, Kane, etc) all would have been there when Aldrich assaulted the anonymous Hawks players, and if the reports are to be believed, were aware of the alleged assault during the trip to San Jose.

They may want out due to the bad PR, but it's probably not some moral high ground, or this would have been an issue long before it became public knowledge a decade later. The onus wasn't really on them to deal with Aldrich - that was a leadership and management failure - but they still may have been complicit in their silence, and acceptance of Aldrich's role on the team.


Did you see the comments from Keith on this? Not exactly great...just brushing it off and saying he's moving on.


Hoping he's held accountable in the court of law so that he can be taken off our cap....



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Adam wrote on Tue, 13 July 2021 12:56

mightyreasoner wrote on Sat, 10 July 2021 17:24

inverno76 wrote on Sat, 10 July 2021 12:47

Can’t see this helping their culture and if the that management group is that morally decrepit, then I could see more players such as Keith wanting out. This all about money now and the main focus is now secondary. Big business will always run over the people.


I mean, tough to say. The long-standing members of the Hawks (Keith, Toews, Kane, etc) all would have been there when Aldrich assaulted the anonymous Hawks players, and if the reports are to be believed, were aware of the alleged assault during the trip to San Jose.

They may want out due to the bad PR, but it's probably not some moral high ground, or this would have been an issue long before it became public knowledge a decade later. The onus wasn't really on them to deal with Aldrich - that was a leadership and management failure - but they still may have been complicit in their silence, and acceptance of Aldrich's role on the team.


Did you see the comments from Keith on this? Not exactly great...just brushing it off and saying he's moving on.

Yeah given the fact that he was a captain at the time this was happening, I'm not exactly buying the media's narrative touting him as a great leader. Might be a low blow from me, but I'm still sour.



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https://www.tsn.ca/boynton-investigators-probing-alleged-abu se-of-former-blackhawks-players-ask-who-knew-1.1674971

"Everybody knew."

Sopel and Boynton have both said it was pretty commonly known what happened. This is all coming out sooner or later. There will be a bunch of guys who don't look good as a result, including Bowman and Quenneville.

And here (courtesy of @WheatNOil's twitter account) is what Duncan Keith's said so far:

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Adam wrote on Thu, 29 July 2021 15:40

https://www.tsn.ca/boynton-investigators-probing-alleged-abu se-of-former-blackhawks-players-ask-who-knew-1.1674971

"Everybody knew."

Sopel and Boynton have both said it was pretty commonly known what happened. This is all coming out sooner or later. There will be a bunch of guys who don't look good as a result, including Bowman and Quenneville.

And here (courtesy of @WheatNOil's twitter account) is what Duncan Keith's said so far:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E7fouYXWEAYQRSt?format=jpg&name=small


We obviously don't know what actually happened or what Keith knew or didn't know at the time, but that response from him does not exactly fill me with confidence that if something like this were to happen on the Oilers today that he would speak up or out about it.



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I’m not sure if anyone else is thinking it... but is it out of the realm of possibilities that when things actually come to light, the league suspends any of those players, management, other staff still in the game?

I can only imagine the collective crap storm that would ensue here and on twitter about Caleb Jones this, Ken Holland that.



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Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 29 July 2021 18:18

I’m not sure if anyone else is thinking it... but is it out of the realm of possibilities that when things actually come to light, the league suspends any of those players, management, other staff still in the game?

I can only imagine the collective crap storm that would ensue here and on twitter about Caleb Jones this, Ken Holland that.

I expect the circle of people who actually knew was significantly bigger than currently admitted.



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CrudeRemarks wrote on Thu, 29 July 2021 21:31

Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 29 July 2021 18:18

I’m not sure if anyone else is thinking it... but is it out of the realm of possibilities that when things actually come to light, the league suspends any of those players, management, other staff still in the game?

I can only imagine the collective crap storm that would ensue here and on twitter about Caleb Jones this, Ken Holland that.

I expect the circle of people who actually knew was significantly bigger than currently admitted.


Can we accuse Bowman of negotiating in bad faith to reverse our trade? :) Argue he was trying to get Keith off the team as part of a scheme to move people involved out of the org.



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Big announcements coming today apparently including some front office moves.


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CrudeRemarks wrote on Tue, 26 October 2021 11:42

Big announcements coming today apparently including some front office moves.

Probably just a coincidence:

Blackhawks currently in COVID-19 protocol:

Players:
Patrick Kane
Jonathan Toews
Henrik Borgstrom
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So, Bowman's out, $2M fine to the Blackhawks.

Didn't expect to read this when perusing a mid-day new update:

https://www.vicnews.com/sports/gm-resigns-chicago-blackhawks -fined-2-million-after-sexual-assault-investigation/

That second last paragraph, absolutely cringe-worthy. The legal report is publicly available. I'd rather not read more details myself.



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Honestly, that punishment is a joke.

Bowman is a pos for trying to cover this up, he should never have an NHL job again.
Anyone who knew and tried to cover it up should be punished as well, If Toews knew should have his captaincy stripped. Anyone who tried to cover it up, their names should be removed from the Stanley Cup especially that pedophile Aldrich.
I think they should lose 2 1st round picks, have a heavier fine, be heavily active with services that stop this kind of abuse and a solid donation to them as well.

Some I've talked to even think their cup wins should be removed just like Penn state.

Just makes you sick thinking of all that knew and tried to hide it.. you have to believe that Coach Q and the players knew as well.. if so that really makes me look at Kane, Toews, Keith, Coach Q and others differently and all involved should be punished as well.



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MJ wrote on Tue, 26 October 2021 15:07

So, Bowman's out, $2M fine to the Blackhawks.

Didn't expect to read this when perusing a mid-day new update:

https://www.vicnews.com/sports/gm-resigns-chicago-blackhawks -fined-2-million-after-sexual-assault-investigation/

That second last paragraph, absolutely cringe-worthy. The legal report is publicly available. I'd rather not read more details myself.


You have to think this is going to catch up to Cheveldayoff and Quenneville...especially the latter. How do you keep that guy working through that playoff run? You would think it would be a bigger concern for the team to keep one of the players from feeling massively uncomfortable than it would be to have someone else run the video. They just stuck their head in the sands.

I'm a little uncomfortable with Bowman's statement. He's pointing the blame at the team execs above him, but certainly he had the power to say that he didn't want the guy around the team until they were able to investigate. Same for Quenneville - the guy is on his coaching staff and he's interacting with him on a day-to-day basis. He had the power to make a change and did not.

I think it's hard to put the blame on the hockey guys for what happened later. Unless Bowman or Quenneville were specifically called and asked for a reference by the university team, then they really aren't culpable for the later assault. That's more on the Chicago execs for letting the guy just slip out the back door and leave rather than investigating and talking to the league. But the hockey guys have enough blood on their hands here that it's hard to see it not staining more than Bowman's career.

Toews, Keith, Kane and others? I don't know. There's not enough information in here about the team and what happened. Certainly, the stories of bullying aren't good, but in this limited article, there's no additional information in here. We don't know if and when the players knew what had happened so I'm not sure we should call for their heads just yet.



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One theory is Toews thought the crap was gonna hit the fan so that's why he took the year off.


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NCREDiBLE wrote on Tue, 26 October 2021 16:31

One theory is Toews thought the crap was gonna hit the fan so that's why he took the year off.

It's too bad he's in Covid protocols and has to isolate, otherwise I bet he'd be happy to answer all the questions people have.



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I’m not usually one for pitchforks, but I’m with NCREDIBLE - anyone found to have conspired to cover this up needs to hang. I am filled with a burning rage reading this. This was basically a kid. For all the ones that know they did wrong by him, hope they lose everything.


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Mike wrote on Tue, 26 October 2021 17:22

I’m not usually one for pitchforks, but I’m with NCREDIBLE - anyone found to have conspired to cover this up needs to hang. I am filled with a burning rage reading this. This was basically a kid. For all the ones that know they did wrong by him, hope they lose everything.


I'm expecting a shoot storm to come. Reports on twitter that players not only knew, but taunted John Doe on the ice about it.

https://twitter.com/laurkelly24/status/1453073311320182788



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bigEfromGP wrote on Tue, 26 October 2021 20:58

Mike wrote on Tue, 26 October 2021 17:22

I’m not usually one for pitchforks, but I’m with NCREDIBLE - anyone found to have conspired to cover this up needs to hang. I am filled with a burning rage reading this. This was basically a kid. For all the ones that know they did wrong by him, hope they lose everything.


I'm expecting a shoot storm to come. Reports on twitter that players not only knew, but taunted John Doe on the ice about it.

https://twitter.com/laurkelly24/status/1453073311320182788



Holy crap. That’s brutal.

Would this lead to canceled contracts because of conduct?

[Updated on: Tue, 26 October 2021 18:50]


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Mike wrote on Tue, 26 October 2021 18:46

bigEfromGP wrote on Tue, 26 October 2021 20:58

Mike wrote on Tue, 26 October 2021 17:22

I’m not usually one for pitchforks, but I’m with NCREDIBLE - anyone found to have conspired to cover this up needs to hang. I am filled with a burning rage reading this. This was basically a kid. For all the ones that know they did wrong by him, hope they lose everything.


I'm expecting a shoot storm to come. Reports on twitter that players not only knew, but taunted John Doe on the ice about it.

https://twitter.com/laurkelly24/status/1453073311320182788



Holy crap. That’s brutal.


Same leadership group (on and off ice) that condoned Patrick Kane being a sexual predator. This doesn't surprise me in the least.



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Ugh - more details coming out. Apparently Quenneville’s concerns at the meeting were that they would upset team chemistry if they made a change at that point. He’s gotta be done.

Apparently Cheveldayoff has previously said publicly he wasn’t part of the meeting that he now has been identified as having attended. He’s in trouble too.



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Mike wrote on Tue, 26 October 2021 18:46

bigEfromGP wrote on Tue, 26 October 2021 20:58

Mike wrote on Tue, 26 October 2021 17:22

I’m not usually one for pitchforks, but I’m with NCREDIBLE - anyone found to have conspired to cover this up needs to hang. I am filled with a burning rage reading this. This was basically a kid. For all the ones that know they did wrong by him, hope they lose everything.


I'm expecting a shoot storm to come. Reports on twitter that players not only knew, but taunted John Doe on the ice about it.

https://twitter.com/laurkelly24/status/1453073311320182788



Holy crap. That’s brutal.

Would this lead to canceled contracts because of conduct?


Only players still in the league are Kane, Toews, Keith and Ladd. No chance the Blackhawks are taking action against either of those two guys unless it is spelled out that they were the ringleaders and there’s too much noise to get away from it. Ladd is at the tail end of his career - he could be sacrificed without much trouble by the Coyotes, but they probably prefer to keep their heads down on this. As for Keith, with all the noise and criticism around picking him up, the Oilers are not going to allow the media guys to even ask him about this. You’ll see them all decry what happened in Chicago and slam that organization but not a single one of them is going to risk the wrath of the team by asking Keith the really tough questions. The toughest we will see them is someone will ask if he will comment on the Chicago situation and he will say he really can’t at this point and they’ll accept that and move on.



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Adam wrote on Tue, 26 October 2021 23:21

Mike wrote on Tue, 26 October 2021 18:46

bigEfromGP wrote on Tue, 26 October 2021 20:58

Mike wrote on Tue, 26 October 2021 17:22

I’m not usually one for pitchforks, but I’m with NCREDIBLE - anyone found to have conspired to cover this up needs to hang. I am filled with a burning rage reading this. This was basically a kid. For all the ones that know they did wrong by him, hope they lose everything.


I'm expecting a shoot storm to come. Reports on twitter that players not only knew, but taunted John Doe on the ice about it.

https://twitter.com/laurkelly24/status/1453073311320182788



Holy crap. That’s brutal.

Would this lead to canceled contracts because of conduct?


Only players still in the league are Kane, Toews, Keith and Ladd. No chance the Blackhawks are taking action against either of those two guys unless it is spelled out that they were the ringleaders and there’s too much noise to get away from it. Ladd is at the tail end of his career - he could be sacrificed without much trouble by the Coyotes, but they probably prefer to keep their heads down on this. As for Keith, with all the noise and criticism around picking him up, the Oilers are not going to allow the media guys to even ask him about this. You’ll see them all decry what happened in Chicago and slam that organization but not a single one of them is going to risk the wrath of the team by asking Keith the really tough questions. The toughest we will see them is someone will ask if he will comment on the Chicago situation and he will say he really can’t at this point and they’ll accept that and move on.


For most things I would agree with you, but no way does he come out of this without having to field at least one question on it. He will be made to address it, or he'll refuse and people will draw their own conclusions. I suppose I do agree with you - the Edmonton media might be muzzled, but no way it doesn't come up at some point. He was an alternate captain and he and Toews both the clear leaders on that team.

I'm guessing he's had conversations with PR people and lawyers the last few hours. He'll likely be told he needs to get in front of this, but depending on his involvement, that might be easier said than done.



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Mike wrote on Wed, 27 October 2021 05:45


For most things I would agree with you, but no way does he come out of this without having to field at least one question on it. He will be made to address it, or he'll refuse and people will draw their own conclusions. I suppose I do agree with you - the Edmonton media might be muzzled, but no way it doesn't come up at some point. He was an alternate captain and he and Toews both the clear leaders on that team.

I'm guessing he's had conversations with PR people and lawyers the last few hours. He'll likely be told he needs to get in front of this, but depending on his involvement, that might be easier said than done.



Yeah, I'm thinking it's a single question, that's phrased flippantly like "Hey Duncan, care to comment on the situation in Chicago?" He will say that he doesn't want to talk about that, that he's moved on from the 'Hawks and that he wants to focus on being an Oiler now, and then they'll let him off the hook and never mention it again.



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https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/video/keith-confirms-knew-nothi ng-blackhawks-2010-sexual-assault-incident/

No new information here. More circling the wagons talk.

A more extensive version of the same interview.

https://www.tsn.ca/NHL/video/keith-says-not-all-players-were -aware-of-sexual-assault-allegati~2309784

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GabbyDugan wrote on Wed, 27 October 2021 12:50

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/video/keith-confirms-knew-nothi ng-blackhawks-2010-sexual-assault-incident/

No new information here. More circling the wagons talk.

A more extensive version of the same interview.

https://www.tsn.ca/NHL/video/keith-says-not-all-players-were -aware-of-sexual-assault-allegati~2309784


Ya, classic burying his head in the sand move. We all know that every player, especially the leaders, knew exactly what was going on.



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NetBOG wrote on Wed, 27 October 2021 13:12

GabbyDugan wrote on Wed, 27 October 2021 12:50

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/video/keith-confirms-knew-nothi ng-blackhawks-2010-sexual-assault-incident/

No new information here. More circling the wagons talk.

A more extensive version of the same interview.

https://www.tsn.ca/NHL/video/keith-says-not-all-players-were -aware-of-sexual-assault-allegati~2309784


Ya, classic burying his head in the sand move. We all know that every player, especially the leaders, knew exactly what was going on.


A couple of his former teammates say precisely the opposite, and that EVERYONE knew what had happened - or at least that something had happened. He specifically talks about how he didn't know anything IN that playoffs.

Although he's saying also that he didn't know even the following year because he'd just heard that it was travel that was why Aldrich left, and that he doesn't know who the people impacted were. Didn't know anything about this until this year when the lawsuits happened.

Honestly he just seems to want to get the press conference over with and never to talk of it again.

I'm impressed that the Edmonton media asked as many follow-ups as they did. That was much more than I thought they would do.

Spector's question about how important it is to insulate players during a Cup run is pretty douche-y though...

Any bets that Kane, Toews and Ladd all say very similar things and deny any knowledge until much much later?



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Tonight on @SportsCentre we're joined by John Doe, the former Blackhawks player at the centre of the team's sexual abuse scandal.

He has asked us to reveal his identity and you will hear him speak his truth. It's a privilege to offer a platform to someone with such courage.


I'd be pretty nervous if I was a Blackhawks player and I was lying about what I knew and when...I don't think much is going to stay hidden.



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Adam wrote on Wed, 27 October 2021 13:22

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Rick Westhead
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Tonight on @SportsCentre we're joined by John Doe, the former Blackhawks player at the centre of the team's sexual abuse scandal.

He has asked us to reveal his identity and you will hear him speak his truth. It's a privilege to offer a platform to someone with such courage.


I'd be pretty nervous if I was a Blackhawks player and I was lying about what I knew and when...I don't think much is going to stay hidden.



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@rickwesthead - For those outside Canada, we will post the interview with John Doe on http://TSN.ca shortly after 6 pm EST.


https://twitter.com/rwesthead/status/1453456812179603467?s=2 0



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Bowman also steps aside from running the US Olympic team and it appears Bill Guerin will be his successor... https://www.si.com/hockey/news/bill-guerin-expected-to-be-na med-gm-of-usa-olympic-mens-hockey-team


BUT...

https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/report-wild-gm-guerin-under -investigation-by-us-center-for-safe-sport-231719819.html

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