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 2021 Playoffs Thread (OOT) [message #785046]
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All four Pacific teams being disasters really puts a dent in the daily doubleheader dream. I guess I hoping for triple OT games from Edmonton, Vegas, and Colorado.


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Oh look, Kucherov is ready to go!

https://i.imgur.com/rvngS9H.gif

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The band is really back for @TBLightning. You get Stamkos, Kucherov, Hedman with Point and Killorn on top power play. Ondrej Palat here too. Power play work to start



Toronto was actually able to work the books to get Andersen back in early. Maybe felt a little shame, or maybe just desperate to get him some games and see what they had with him before playoffs.

Tampa on the other hand, there was no way at all they could let Kucherov play with their cap situation.


[Updated on: Thu, 13 May 2021 10:24]


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 Re: 2021 Playoffs Thread (OOT) [message #785052 is a reply to message #785046 ]
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I hate both Boston and Capitals.. its a lose-lose.. or .. is it a WIN-WIN? ..hmmm :)

Colorado over everyone else in that div..

Montreal over TO .. just to watch TO media twist and turn for 6 months..

I'm picking Crosby over Islanders.. hey I like Sid..

Nashville over Carolina .. no need to explain.

Panthers over TB .. it would be poetic to have TB go out in the 1st round after all the fraudulent LTIR maneuvers they pulled this year.






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Skookum Jim wrote on Thu, 13 May 2021 10:20

I hate both Boston and Capitals.. its a lose-lose.. or .. is it a WIN-WIN? ..hmmm :)

Colorado over everyone else in that div..

Montreal over TO .. just to watch TO media twist and turn for 6 months..

I'm picking Crosby over Islanders.. hey I like Sid..

Nashville over Carolina .. no need to explain.

Panthers over TB .. it would be poetic to have TB go out in the 1st round after all the fraudulent LTIR maneuvers they pulled this year.






Our picks are pretty similar. The only differences being my desire to see Pittsburgh crushed and Caps are who I want to come out of that div. Can’t stand the Bruins fans, media or Marchand. Islanders would be alright, though I feel their successes bring back suppressed angst from the whole Chia age here.

Seeing TO tossed in the first round would be simply stunning.



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 Re: 2021 Playoffs Thread (OOT) [message #785090 is a reply to message #785046 ]
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Avs just demolish the Kings 2 games in a row to take 1st spot in the NHL and the benefit(?) of playing the Blues in the 1st round instead of Minny.

Should be a great series. Unless blues goaltending sucks, then a horrible blowout.

[Updated on: Thu, 13 May 2021 21:48]


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Kr55 wrote on Thu, 13 May 2021 21:42

Avs just demolish the Kings 2 games in a row to take 1st spot in the NHL and the benefit(?) of playing the Blues in the 1st round instead of Minny.

Should be a great series. Unless blues goaltending sucks, then a horrible blowout.

So the Golden Knights lost themselves the President’s Trophy when they elected to go with 15 skaters the other night. Interesting choice.



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Yeah. More info for them to mine and sell.


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welcometotheOC wrote on Fri, 14 May 2021 11:36

Yeah. More info for them to mine and sell.


Way of the modern world.



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Crazy day of hockey tomorrow. 4 series games on Sunday.

10am - Pens Islanders
1pm - Knights Wild
5:30pm - Tampa Panthers
8:30pm - Lames Canucks

Those Lames/Canucks games should probably be getting played at 8am on weekdays. How embarrassing.

[Updated on: Sat, 15 May 2021 13:38]


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Kr55 wrote on Sat, 15 May 2021 13:37

Crazy day of hockey tomorrow. 4 series games on Sunday.

10am - Pens Islanders
1pm - Knights Wild
5:30pm - Tampa Panthers
8:30pm - Lames Canucks

Those Lames/Canucks games should probably be getting played at 8am on weekdays. How embarrassing.

Saving the best for last!



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Chris Johnston @reporterchris

David Perron becomes the third member of #stlblues on the NHL's COVID Protocol list, joining Nathan Walker and Jake Walman.



Colorado gonna basically have a bye in the 1st round?



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Kr55 wrote on Sat, 15 May 2021 16:13

Chris Johnston @reporterchris

David Perron becomes the third member of #stlblues on the NHL's COVID Protocol list, joining Nathan Walker and Jake Walman.



Colorado gonna basically have a bye in the 1st round?

Yeah, but that has nothing to do with the covid.



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CrusaderPi wrote on Sat, 15 May 2021 16:28

Kr55 wrote on Sat, 15 May 2021 16:13

Chris Johnston @reporterchris

David Perron becomes the third member of #stlblues on the NHL's COVID Protocol list, joining Nathan Walker and Jake Walman.



Colorado gonna basically have a bye in the 1st round?

Yeah, but that has nothing to do with the covid.


No faith in cup winning starter Jordan Binnington?



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Kr55 wrote on Sat, 15 May 2021 16:31

CrusaderPi wrote on Sat, 15 May 2021 16:28

Kr55 wrote on Sat, 15 May 2021 16:13

Chris Johnston @reporterchris

David Perron becomes the third member of #stlblues on the NHL's COVID Protocol list, joining Nathan Walker and Jake Walman.



Colorado gonna basically have a bye in the 1st round?

Yeah, but that has nothing to do with the covid.


No faith in cup winning starter Jordan Binnington?

None. The Blues were bad in the playoffs last year and were uninspiring for this entire season. I'd prefer watching Arizona lose in 5.



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Tom Wilson trolls the world scoring the 1st goal of these playoffs.


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Taylor Hall with the super lazy backchecking on the Caps OT game winner........#nosurprise

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kungpaobenji27 wrote on Sat, 15 May 2021 20:26

Taylor Hall with the super lazy backchecking on the Caps OT game winner........#nosurprise


He didn’t even come into the frame until the puck was in the net and the caps were into their celly. All four other Bruins were back as that play developed.



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Oscargasm wrote on Sat, 15 May 2021 20:34

kungpaobenji27 wrote on Sat, 15 May 2021 20:26

Taylor Hall with the super lazy backchecking on the Caps OT game winner........#nosurprise


He didn’t even come into the frame until the puck was in the net and the caps were into their celly. All four other Bruins were back as that play developed.


39 year old Anderson showing Smith his future!



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kungpaobenji27 wrote on Sat, 15 May 2021 20:26

Taylor Hall with the super lazy backchecking on the Caps OT game winner........#nosurprise

Some people want to blame Hall in any scenario. Oshie was Krejci’s guy. Hall was the deep man in the o-zone and stayed in front of the dman he was covering.



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Almost Oiler Eriksson Ek with OT winner for Minny, and ex-Oiler Talbot with the SO in game 1 vs Vegas.

Wish he was an Oiler Pageau with a 3 point night to take the 1st game vs the Pens.



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Sam Bennett gets completely jobbed by the refs on a totally clean goal. Tampa scores 4 seconds later. I wonder who the NHL wants to advance?


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NetBOG wrote on Sun, 16 May 2021 17:06

Sam Bennett gets completely jobbed by the refs on a totally clean goal. Tampa scores 4 seconds later. I wonder who the NHL wants to advance?


Exactly man.. I just tuned in TB gets tw Pp's in succession, in a game where they are letting everything go, then Panthers get called for a cheesy "interference" .. Kutherov now has TWO PPG's..

Announcers saying things like;

"wow, Kutcherov hasn't played a game for year.. and he looks like he hasn't missed a shift!! Incredible!"

"..he's been skating on his own for over a month.. because of the cap he had a time line when he would come back and didn't have to rush his return.."

.. Yeah NHL, even the thick skulled play-by-play guy knows what was happening, Kutcherov was ready 2 months ago, there was no way he was coming back before game 1, Tampa needed to finish playing out the $9.5M LTIR cap scam, everyone knows it.

The NHL is a embarrassment..

I'm hoping Gudas cranks Kutcherov, puts him on the LTIR, karma.

Totally pulling for Panthers.

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Definitely cheering for the panthers in that one.. heck, maybe to come out of the East. Would be a heck of a story.

Edit: not East I guess... the Central. Ya. The Central.

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This is a helluva game. Panthers hitting everything, lots of snarl from both teams, Tampa doing lots of kneeing - that's the stuff they really shouldn't let go.


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Suomalainen wrote on Sun, 16 May 2021 19:07

This is a helluva game. Panthers hitting everything, lots of snarl from both teams, Tampa doing lots of kneeing - that's the stuff they really shouldn't let go.


Yeah that knee on Acciari was a crippler, guy went flying, NO call, right in front of the ref, total BS, then Bennet gets a call for a "charge".

Without the lopsided officiating on the penalty calls, and a guy that should be on LTIR, Panthers win this game. Kutcherov with 2G, 1A, all on the PP.

Panthers are now my team from the US.. I hate TB.



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Where did this Kucherov guy come from? I didn’t pay SUPER CLOSE attention to the US divs this season, but haven’t seen/heard of him. He looks like the Bolts best player. Is he a rookie? If so, man it really puts a spotlight on McLeod to produce.


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Oscargasm wrote on Sun, 16 May 2021 19:26

Where did this Kucherov guy come from? I didn’t pay SUPER CLOSE attention to the US divs this season, but haven’t seen/heard of him. He looks like the Bolts best player. Is he a rookie? If so, man it really puts a spotlight on McLeod to produce.


Can see why he was only just recovered from his injury with a 2G 1A night and highest ice time for forwards on his team. Clearly a guy just getting back to NHL game shape.



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Kr55 wrote on Sun, 16 May 2021 19:35

Oscargasm wrote on Sun, 16 May 2021 19:26

Where did this Kucherov guy come from? I didn’t pay SUPER CLOSE attention to the US divs this season, but haven’t seen/heard of him. He looks like the Bolts best player. Is he a rookie? If so, man it really puts a spotlight on McLeod to produce.


Can see why he was only just recovered from his injury with a 2G 1A night and highest ice time for forwards on his team. Clearly a guy just getting back to NHL game shape.


Yeah, TB played the NHL like the fools they are.



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Skookum Jim wrote on Sun, 16 May 2021 23:36

Kr55 wrote on Sun, 16 May 2021 19:35

Oscargasm wrote on Sun, 16 May 2021 19:26

Where did this Kucherov guy come from? I didn’t pay SUPER CLOSE attention to the US divs this season, but haven’t seen/heard of him. He looks like the Bolts best player. Is he a rookie? If so, man it really puts a spotlight on McLeod to produce.


Can see why he was only just recovered from his injury with a 2G 1A night and highest ice time for forwards on his team. Clearly a guy just getting back to NHL game shape.


Yeah, TB played the NHL like the fools they are.


What a farce. Adding Stamkos and Kucherov for the playoffs. I don't know what the solution is, but they're going to have to plug that loophole somehow. Basically a team comfortably in the playoffs at the trade deadline could "injure" a couple of their highest paid players until the end of the year and go out and pick up whoever they want at the deadline.

Like someone mentioned, maybe enforce cap limit for playoffs as well? Would that address it?

As for the game, loved the energy, but happy I'm not a Panthers fan because I would have lost it. Really looks like the NHL wants to see the Lightning advance. Just brutal.

Anyway - I share the sentiment. F the Bolts. Go Panthers.

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Mike wrote on Mon, 17 May 2021 06:03

Skookum Jim wrote on Sun, 16 May 2021 23:36

Kr55 wrote on Sun, 16 May 2021 19:35

Oscargasm wrote on Sun, 16 May 2021 19:26

Where did this Kucherov guy come from? I didn’t pay SUPER CLOSE attention to the US divs this season, but haven’t seen/heard of him. He looks like the Bolts best player. Is he a rookie? If so, man it really puts a spotlight on McLeod to produce.


Can see why he was only just recovered from his injury with a 2G 1A night and highest ice time for forwards on his team. Clearly a guy just getting back to NHL game shape.


Yeah, TB played the NHL like the fools they are.


What a farce. Adding Stamkos and Kucherov for the playoffs. I don't know what the solution is, but they're going to have to plug that loophole somehow. Basically a team comfortably in the playoffs at the trade deadline could "injure" a couple of their highest paid players until the end of the year and go out and pick up whoever they want at the deadline.

Like someone mentioned, maybe enforce cap limit for playoffs as well? Would that address it?

As for the game, loved the energy, but happy I'm not a Panthers fan because I would have lost it. Really looks like the NHL wants to see the Lightning advance. Just brutal.

Anyway - I share the sentiment. F the Bolts. Go Panthers.



Such a tough thing to address though - if they just say your cap hit is your cap hit, then what do you do if someone has serious injury. If you couldn't replace the money, then Oscar Klefbom's injury would have completely screwed over the Oilers this year.

And I think the NHL does like having it measured by total dollars spent, as opposed to salary-based, because they want to have trade deadline be active, as you can get the guy with an $8MM cap hit if you have $2MM of space left.

I think all you can do is penalize teams for flagrant abuse, but I suppose the Lightning could say that they were already penalized by not having their best player available for the entire regular season and that they couldn't play him, even if they wanted to because they didn't have the cap available if he was healthy early.

Not an easy one to figure out, and one where they'd need the PA to be on-board to make any major change to the way caps were managed.



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Adam wrote on Mon, 17 May 2021 09:34

Mike wrote on Mon, 17 May 2021 06:03

Skookum Jim wrote on Sun, 16 May 2021 23:36

Kr55 wrote on Sun, 16 May 2021 19:35

Oscargasm wrote on Sun, 16 May 2021 19:26

Where did this Kucherov guy come from? I didn’t pay SUPER CLOSE attention to the US divs this season, but haven’t seen/heard of him. He looks like the Bolts best player. Is he a rookie? If so, man it really puts a spotlight on McLeod to produce.


Can see why he was only just recovered from his injury with a 2G 1A night and highest ice time for forwards on his team. Clearly a guy just getting back to NHL game shape.


Yeah, TB played the NHL like the fools they are.


What a farce. Adding Stamkos and Kucherov for the playoffs. I don't know what the solution is, but they're going to have to plug that loophole somehow. Basically a team comfortably in the playoffs at the trade deadline could "injure" a couple of their highest paid players until the end of the year and go out and pick up whoever they want at the deadline.

Like someone mentioned, maybe enforce cap limit for playoffs as well? Would that address it?

As for the game, loved the energy, but happy I'm not a Panthers fan because I would have lost it. Really looks like the NHL wants to see the Lightning advance. Just brutal.

Anyway - I share the sentiment. F the Bolts. Go Panthers.



Such a tough thing to address though - if they just say your cap hit is your cap hit, then what do you do if someone has serious injury. If you couldn't replace the money, then Oscar Klefbom's injury would have completely screwed over the Oilers this year.

And I think the NHL does like having it measured by total dollars spent, as opposed to salary-based, because they want to have trade deadline be active, as you can get the guy with an $8MM cap hit if you have $2MM of space left.

I think all you can do is penalize teams for flagrant abuse, but I suppose the Lightning could say that they were already penalized by not having their best player available for the entire regular season and that they couldn't play him, even if they wanted to because they didn't have the cap available if he was healthy early.

Not an easy one to figure out, and one where they'd need the PA to be on-board to make any major change to the way caps were managed.



Think they should focus on the end of season to playoff transition period. Tampa's scam was as blatant as it gets. Guy is ready exactly when the playoffs start, and everyone knows there was no way they could have put him in the lineup before playoffs because the LTIR going away would have blown up their cap.

So, make some kind of rule around the end of season. Like, if a guy is on LTIR for maybe 75% of the season before the end of season, you can't take him off LTIR until round 3 of the playoffs. If he's so hurt he misses that much of the year, sorry, but it's unreasonable that he is magically OK perfectly for the first few weeks of playoffs. If he's ready for playoffs, then get him in the lineup and on your cap books before the season is over.

Doesn't solve a scam where guys magically get injured for the trade deadline, but for now, more concerned about this obvious clown show with Kucherov. They were able to organize their entire season from the start around knowing they would hold Kuch out until the first day of playoffs no matter what.

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Skookum Jim wrote on Sun, 16 May 2021 20:36

Kr55 wrote on Sun, 16 May 2021 19:35

Oscargasm wrote on Sun, 16 May 2021 19:26

Where did this Kucherov guy come from? I didn’t pay SUPER CLOSE attention to the US divs this season, but haven’t seen/heard of him. He looks like the Bolts best player. Is he a rookie? If so, man it really puts a spotlight on McLeod to produce.


Can see why he was only just recovered from his injury with a 2G 1A night and highest ice time for forwards on his team. Clearly a guy just getting back to NHL game shape.


Yeah, TB played the NHL like the fools they are.


While I think it is clear the TBL played this to get out of cap problems I don't understand the cries of cheating and wanting the league to do something about it.
This has been done before. Maybe not to this extreme or caliber of player but it is done all the time. It is a known cap tool that can and is used.
I can agree that it sucks and is likely something needing addressed but it isn't like the Lightning made up a rule or broke one that exists.
Is this any different than when AZ had a number of players who would never play again on their cap?
If Klefbom was ready to roll last month, when the Oilers wouldn't have had room for him, would people not want him to play in the playoffs?

Enforcing the cap in the playoffs or making players require in season GP to qualify for the playoffs would be a solution to the loophole but it doesn't change that what the Lightning did this year is completely within the rules as they sit right now.

The NHL has plenty of issues. The DOPS and inconsistent secondary discipline is the worst in my eyes. Pretending that everything is a conspiracy against the Oilers, or other teams, to help the "head office favorites" succeed is BS and just comes across as excuses for a franchise that has sucked forever.

Just because our favorite team refuses to be creative within the current rules doesnt mean others are cheaters or the league is rigging it for some teams to win.

If the NHL head office hated the Oilers so much we wouldn't have the pleasure of watching McDavid in an Oiler jersey.



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I agree the Oilers should have done more outside-the-box thinking to avoid being up against the cap. The gryba contract and buyout was probably my favorite gaff. This year Holland didn’t seem try try very hard and it may very well bite us in the coming weeks.

While Tampa (and TO) operated within the structure of the rules it’s pretty clear it isn’t the spirit of them that a team can be $17 million over the cap for their playoff run. Otherwise why have a cap at all?



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CrudeRemarks wrote on Tue, 18 May 2021 12:33

I agree the Oilers should have done more outside-the-box thinking to avoid being up against the cap. The gryba contract and buyout was probably my favorite gaff. This year Holland didn’t seem try try very hard and it may very well bite us in the coming weeks.

While Tampa (and TO) operated within the structure of the rules it’s pretty clear it isn’t the spirit of them that a team can be $17 million over the cap for their playoff run. Otherwise why have a cap at all?


Not only didn't try very hard, specifically said he didn't even think about trying to be creative.



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PlusOne wrote on Tue, 18 May 2021 12:23

Skookum Jim wrote on Sun, 16 May 2021 20:36

Kr55 wrote on Sun, 16 May 2021 19:35

Oscargasm wrote on Sun, 16 May 2021 19:26

Where did this Kucherov guy come from? I didn’t pay SUPER CLOSE attention to the US divs this season, but haven’t seen/heard of him. He looks like the Bolts best player. Is he a rookie? If so, man it really puts a spotlight on McLeod to produce.


Can see why he was only just recovered from his injury with a 2G 1A night and highest ice time for forwards on his team. Clearly a guy just getting back to NHL game shape.


Yeah, TB played the NHL like the fools they are.


While I think it is clear the TBL played this to get out of cap problems I don't understand the cries of cheating and wanting the league to do something about it.
This has been done before. Maybe not to this extreme or caliber of player but it is done all the time. It is a known cap tool that can and is used.
I can agree that it sucks and is likely something needing addressed but it isn't like the Lightning made up a rule or broke one that exists.
Is this any different than when AZ had a number of players who would never play again on their cap?
If Klefbom was ready to roll last month, when the Oilers wouldn't have had room for him, would people not want him to play in the playoffs?

Enforcing the cap in the playoffs or making players require in season GP to qualify for the playoffs would be a solution to the loophole but it doesn't change that what the Lightning did this year is completely within the rules as they sit right now.

The NHL has plenty of issues. The DOPS and inconsistent secondary discipline is the worst in my eyes. Pretending that everything is a conspiracy against the Oilers, or other teams, to help the "head office favorites" succeed is BS and just comes across as excuses for a franchise that has sucked forever.

Just because our favorite team refuses to be creative within the current rules doesnt mean others are cheaters or the league is rigging it for some teams to win.

If the NHL head office hated the Oilers so much we wouldn't have the pleasure of watching McDavid in an Oiler jersey.


This has happened before. This has happened with a star player before. This has happened with a star player where the star returned on game 1 of the playoffs and his team won the Stanley Cup.

https://thehockeywriters.com/tape2tape-closing-the-patrick-k ane-loophole/

The NHL didn't make any changes then, and they aren't likely to now. It's too challenging to address it, and you need the NHLPA to play ball in order to address it. The argument is going to be that it is a challenge to make the playoffs if you sit a guy all year and most often it will be hard to get back up fully to speed if you'd joining at the toughest time of the year...I don't know that that's the case, but I think if I was a GM, I'd be planning to use the system to my advantage if I had an injured player in the second half of the season.



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PlusOne wrote on Tue, 18 May 2021 11:23

Skookum Jim wrote on Sun, 16 May 2021 20:36

Kr55 wrote on Sun, 16 May 2021 19:35

Oscargasm wrote on Sun, 16 May 2021 19:26

Where did this Kucherov guy come from? I didn’t pay SUPER CLOSE attention to the US divs this season, but haven’t seen/heard of him. He looks like the Bolts best player. Is he a rookie? If so, man it really puts a spotlight on McLeod to produce.


Can see why he was only just recovered from his injury with a 2G 1A night and highest ice time for forwards on his team. Clearly a guy just getting back to NHL game shape.


Yeah, TB played the NHL like the fools they are.


While I think it is clear the TBL played this to get out of cap problems I don't understand the cries of cheating and wanting the league to do something about it.
This has been done before. Maybe not to this extreme or caliber of player but it is done all the time. It is a known cap tool that can and is used.
I can agree that it sucks and is likely something needing addressed but it isn't like the Lightning made up a rule or broke one that exists.
Is this any different than when AZ had a number of players who would never play again on their cap?
If Klefbom was ready to roll last month, when the Oilers wouldn't have had room for him, would people not want him to play in the playoffs?

Enforcing the cap in the playoffs or making players require in season GP to qualify for the playoffs would be a solution to the loophole but it doesn't change that what the Lightning did this year is completely within the rules as they sit right now.

The NHL has plenty of issues. The DOPS and inconsistent secondary discipline is the worst in my eyes. Pretending that everything is a conspiracy against the Oilers, or other teams, to help the "head office favorites" succeed is BS and just comes across as excuses for a franchise that has sucked forever.

Just because our favorite team refuses to be creative within the current rules doesnt mean others are cheaters or the league is rigging it for some teams to win.

If the NHL head office hated the Oilers so much we wouldn't have the pleasure of watching McDavid in an Oiler jersey.


Yeah, they never played again.

The reason the Oil wouldn't attempt that is they couldn't take the chance how the NHL would rule on a clear fraudulent circumvention of the original intent of the LTIR cap deduction allowance. When it comes to NHL Inc. rulings, the Oilers always get the worst possible. interpretation. Based on past experience, you'd never take that risk, like possibly losing a 2nd round draft pick, or have your cap space reduced for next year.. possibilities on how to get screwed are endless

No team had so flagrantly abused the intent of LTIR cap deduction before TB, no one had claimed $10M of LTIR cap space deduction for an entire regular season and then had the player on the starting roster game 1 of the playoffs, the NHL could have made an ad hoc ruling, and told Tampa Kutcherov was unavailable for the playoffs, or that if they wanted to play him, they had to unload $10M n cap space at the trade deadline.. instead they ADDED cap at the deadline.
Its not like NHL rules are "set in stone", they make up crap all the time, they'll use terms like "circumvents the original intent" .. and just make a call the team has to live with, kind of like DoPS rulings, compensation for hiring other team's fired GMs and coaches, trade clauses..

The NHL could have ruled on this specific case, they've done it before, and chose not to, that's the frustrating part. You now have a $99M cap team that will likely be in the cup final, two years in a row.

If they don't make a change, then I think Neal should go on LTIR for a "high ankle sprain" until the 2022 playoffs next year.. and Miko gets a "torn groin" that keeps out the same amount of time, that's about $8.5M in cap space.. ka-ching!...easy-peasy :)



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Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 18 May 2021 13:21

PlusOne wrote on Tue, 18 May 2021 11:23

Skookum Jim wrote on Sun, 16 May 2021 20:36

Kr55 wrote on Sun, 16 May 2021 19:35

Oscargasm wrote on Sun, 16 May 2021 19:26

Where did this Kucherov guy come from? I didn’t pay SUPER CLOSE attention to the US divs this season, but haven’t seen/heard of him. He looks like the Bolts best player. Is he a rookie? If so, man it really puts a spotlight on McLeod to produce.


Can see why he was only just recovered from his injury with a 2G 1A night and highest ice time for forwards on his team. Clearly a guy just getting back to NHL game shape.


Yeah, TB played the NHL like the fools they are.


While I think it is clear the TBL played this to get out of cap problems I don't understand the cries of cheating and wanting the league to do something about it.
This has been done before. Maybe not to this extreme or caliber of player but it is done all the time. It is a known cap tool that can and is used.
I can agree that it sucks and is likely something needing addressed but it isn't like the Lightning made up a rule or broke one that exists.
Is this any different than when AZ had a number of players who would never play again on their cap?
If Klefbom was ready to roll last month, when the Oilers wouldn't have had room for him, would people not want him to play in the playoffs?

Enforcing the cap in the playoffs or making players require in season GP to qualify for the playoffs would be a solution to the loophole but it doesn't change that what the Lightning did this year is completely within the rules as they sit right now.

The NHL has plenty of issues. The DOPS and inconsistent secondary discipline is the worst in my eyes. Pretending that everything is a conspiracy against the Oilers, or other teams, to help the "head office favorites" succeed is BS and just comes across as excuses for a franchise that has sucked forever.

Just because our favorite team refuses to be creative within the current rules doesnt mean others are cheaters or the league is rigging it for some teams to win.

If the NHL head office hated the Oilers so much we wouldn't have the pleasure of watching McDavid in an Oiler jersey.


Yeah, they never played again.

The reason the Oil wouldn't attempt that is they couldn't take the chance how the NHL would rule on a clear fraudulent circumvention of the original intent of the LTIR cap deduction allowance. When it comes to NHL Inc. rulings, the Oilers always get the worst possible. interpretation. Based on past experience, you'd never take that risk, like possibly losing a 2nd round draft pick, or have your cap space reduced for next year.. possibilities on how to get screwed are endless

No team had so flagrantly abused the intent of LTIR cap deduction before TB, no one had claimed $10M of LTIR cap space deduction for an entire regular season and then had the player on the starting roster game 1 of the playoffs, the NHL could have made an ad hoc ruling, and told Tampa Kutcherov was unavailable for the playoffs, or that if they wanted to play him, they had to unload $10M n cap space at the trade deadline.. instead they ADDED cap at the deadline.
Its not like NHL rules are "set in stone", they make up crap all the time, they'll use terms like "circumvents the original intent" .. and just make a call the team has to live with, kind of like DoPS rulings, compensation for hiring other team's fired GMs and coaches, trade clauses..

The NHL could have ruled on this specific case, they've done it before, and chose not to, that's the frustrating part. You now have a $99M cap team that will likely be in the cup final, two years in a row.

If they don't make a change, then I think Neal should go on LTIR for a "high ankle sprain" until the 2022 playoffs next year.. and Miko gets a "torn groin" that keeps out the same amount of time, that's about $8.5M in cap space.. ka-ching!...easy-peasy :)


That's not exactly correct. The reason the Golden Knights had to play with 15 players last week is that they couldn't activate extra players without going over the cap. If you go over the cap, you're not allowed to play.

So you could make the same argument with Kucherov - we would love to have him in the line-up, he's our best player! But if we activate him, we're over the cap and we forfeit, so we are forced by the system to keep him sidelined. It's not our fault that he was healthy faster than we believed *wink, wink*.

The Oilers absolutely could play this game and there's enough precedence with everyone else who's done it that we could have managed it without difficulty - instead, we saved space under the cap "in case Slater Koekkoek gets healthy in time to play again"...



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