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Anybody think Toronto would take Kassian? He can keep up, has a little scoring touch and adds toughness.


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CrudeRemarks wrote on Tue, 11 August 2020 16:58

Anybody think Toronto would take Kassian? He can keep up, has a little scoring touch and adds toughness.


Odds would have been better if he wasn't a completely useless tit in our series :)

Definitely would be nice though if Dubas decided the missing element for his team was guys like Kassian. Gotta think they wish they could take back the Kadri trade. Barrie was terrible and Kadri was the only guy in the leafs lineup willing to mix it up with anyone. Trying to replace the passion of a Kadri with guys like Kassian...do it Dubas! DO IT!

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And he’s signed long term! Cap certainty!


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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 11 August 2020 20:51

CrudeRemarks wrote on Tue, 11 August 2020 16:58

Anybody think Toronto would take Kassian? He can keep up, has a little scoring touch and adds toughness.


Odds would have been better if he wasn't a completely useless tit in our series :)


If that's all that mattered we'd still be "stuck" with Eberle. After all, that being useless in one playoff series is what got Ebs traded. In Kassian's case, the history of being useless until he was allowed to play with Connor for a few weeks will keep him around until he's bought out.



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Hibernia wrote on Fri, 14 August 2020 08:52

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 11 August 2020 20:51

CrudeRemarks wrote on Tue, 11 August 2020 16:58

Anybody think Toronto would take Kassian? He can keep up, has a little scoring touch and adds toughness.


Odds would have been better if he wasn't a completely useless tit in our series :)


If that's all that mattered we'd still be "stuck" with Eberle. After all, that being useless in one playoff series is what got Ebs traded. In Kassian's case, the history of being useless until he was allowed to play with Connor for a few weeks will keep him around until he's bought out.


Eberle only had a year left on his deal though. And he had a history of scoring. Kassian has 4 years of being overpaid, and has a history of only doing stuff when he needed to negotiate a new deal.

A good playoffs by Kassian would have helped a lot to be able to move him. Probably still giving something more up for someone to take him. But right now, the only option probably is a buyout.

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Kr55 wrote on Fri, 14 August 2020 09:35

Hibernia wrote on Fri, 14 August 2020 08:52

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 11 August 2020 20:51

CrudeRemarks wrote on Tue, 11 August 2020 16:58

Anybody think Toronto would take Kassian? He can keep up, has a little scoring touch and adds toughness.


Odds would have been better if he wasn't a completely useless tit in our series :)


If that's all that mattered we'd still be "stuck" with Eberle. After all, that being useless in one playoff series is what got Ebs traded. In Kassian's case, the history of being useless until he was allowed to play with Connor for a few weeks will keep him around until he's bought out.


Eberle only had a year left on his deal though. And he had a history of scoring. Kassian has 4 years of being overpaid, and has a history of only doing stuff when he needed to negotiate a new deal.

A good playoffs by Kassian would have helped a lot to be able to move him. Probably still giving something more up for someone to take him. But right now, the only option probably is a buyout.


It is pretty painful that the Oilers felt the need to rush in to a new deal mid-season with Kassian. It was another unforced error, and one where there's plenty of evidence that it was a mistake even as they did it. You'd think they'd learn in one of these years that A) it's not a good idea to give a contract over a handful of good games and B) if you play with Connor McDavid and your name isn't Milan Lucic, then you're going to have some success putting points on the board.



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The Kassian contract being a problem before it starts isn't really a surprise, but I think we are stuck with it. I can't imagine there's a market for a $3M+ fourth line forward with three years left on his deal. The Oilers shouldn't have signed that deal either.


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mightyreasoner wrote on Tue, 11 August 2020 18:17

The Kassian contract being a problem before it starts isn't really a surprise, but I think we are stuck with it. I can't imagine there's a market for a $3M+ fourth line forward with three years left on his deal. The Oilers shouldn't have signed that deal either.

Yeah but nobody could have predicted that...



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When did they sign Kassian for three years?

Was I sleeping? January 29, 2020 it would seem. Unreal. I think there needs to be a COVID-out or something. Holland had COVID, thought his days were numbered and wanted to put his stamp on the team before leaving this earth. He wasn't legal able to make decisions at the time and therefore the contract is non-enforceable.

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Magnum wrote on Tue, 11 August 2020 18:50

When did they sign Kassian for three years?

Was I sleeping? January 29, 2020 it would seem. Unreal. I think there needs to be a COVID-out or something. Holland had COVID, thought his days were numbered and wanted to put his stamp on the team before leaving this earth. He wasn't legal able to make decisions at the time and therefore the contract is non-enforceable.


Four years doh



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Gator21 wrote on Wed, 12 August 2020 11:46

Magnum wrote on Tue, 11 August 2020 18:50

When did they sign Kassian for three years?

Was I sleeping? January 29, 2020 it would seem. Unreal. I think there needs to be a COVID-out or something. Holland had COVID, thought his days were numbered and wanted to put his stamp on the team before leaving this earth. He wasn't legal able to make decisions at the time and therefore the contract is non-enforceable.


Four years doh


You see, playing with Connor McDavid for half a season and trying to stab a guy with your skate entitles you to 12 million dollars.



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smyth260 wrote on Wed, 12 August 2020 13:18

Gator21 wrote on Wed, 12 August 2020 11:46

Magnum wrote on Tue, 11 August 2020 18:50

When did they sign Kassian for three years?

Was I sleeping? January 29, 2020 it would seem. Unreal. I think there needs to be a COVID-out or something. Holland had COVID, thought his days were numbered and wanted to put his stamp on the team before leaving this earth. He wasn't legal able to make decisions at the time and therefore the contract is non-enforceable.


Four years doh


You see, playing with Connor McDavid for half a season and trying to stab a guy with your skate entitles you to 12 million dollars.



There seems to be a pattern developing where if you can get a month or so on McDavid's line, you end up with a multi-year deal. Chasson, Archie and Kassian should start a club. I expect great things from AA next year.



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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 12 August 2020 14:24

smyth260 wrote on Wed, 12 August 2020 13:18

Gator21 wrote on Wed, 12 August 2020 11:46

Magnum wrote on Tue, 11 August 2020 18:50

When did they sign Kassian for three years?

Was I sleeping? January 29, 2020 it would seem. Unreal. I think there needs to be a COVID-out or something. Holland had COVID, thought his days were numbered and wanted to put his stamp on the team before leaving this earth. He wasn't legal able to make decisions at the time and therefore the contract is non-enforceable.


Four years doh


You see, playing with Connor McDavid for half a season and trying to stab a guy with your skate entitles you to 12 million dollars.



There seems to be a pattern developing where if you can get a month or so on McDavid's line, you end up with a multi-year deal. Chasson, Archie and Kassian should start a club. I expect great things from AA next year.


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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 12 August 2020 14:24

smyth260 wrote on Wed, 12 August 2020 13:18

Gator21 wrote on Wed, 12 August 2020 11:46

Magnum wrote on Tue, 11 August 2020 18:50

When did they sign Kassian for three years?

Was I sleeping? January 29, 2020 it would seem. Unreal. I think there needs to be a COVID-out or something. Holland had COVID, thought his days were numbered and wanted to put his stamp on the team before leaving this earth. He wasn't legal able to make decisions at the time and therefore the contract is non-enforceable.


Four years doh


You see, playing with Connor McDavid for half a season and trying to stab a guy with your skate entitles you to 12 million dollars.



There seems to be a pattern developing where if you can get a month or so on McDavid's line, you end up with a multi-year deal. Chasson, Archie and Kassian should start a club. I expect great things from AA next year.


Haven’t you heard? Holland may not bring AA back. (Waste of assets, if true.)



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Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 12 August 2020 15:37

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 12 August 2020 14:24

smyth260 wrote on Wed, 12 August 2020 13:18

Gator21 wrote on Wed, 12 August 2020 11:46

Magnum wrote on Tue, 11 August 2020 18:50

When did they sign Kassian for three years?

Was I sleeping? January 29, 2020 it would seem. Unreal. I think there needs to be a COVID-out or something. Holland had COVID, thought his days were numbered and wanted to put his stamp on the team before leaving this earth. He wasn't legal able to make decisions at the time and therefore the contract is non-enforceable.


Four years doh


You see, playing with Connor McDavid for half a season and trying to stab a guy with your skate entitles you to 12 million dollars.



There seems to be a pattern developing where if you can get a month or so on McDavid's line, you end up with a multi-year deal. Chasson, Archie and Kassian should start a club. I expect great things from AA next year.


Haven’t you heard? Holland may not bring AA back. (Waste of assets, if true.)

I guess if AA contract demands are completely ridiculous, you have to trade his rights. But with a flat cap that the league/players are artificially propping up to keep it that way, it's going to be flat for several years, revenues may take years and years to come back if they do at all, many teams going to have cap issues and coming off an injury plagued, 10 g, 26 pts, -46 season, I don't see teams dying to throw money at him.

Hopefully he and his agent are sane, take a short term deal that starts with a 2 and try to have a good season or 2 so maybe when revenues are hopefully up, he can get paid accordingly.



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Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 12 August 2020 15:37

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 12 August 2020 14:24

smyth260 wrote on Wed, 12 August 2020 13:18

Gator21 wrote on Wed, 12 August 2020 11:46

Magnum wrote on Tue, 11 August 2020 18:50

When did they sign Kassian for three years?

Was I sleeping? January 29, 2020 it would seem. Unreal. I think there needs to be a COVID-out or something. Holland had COVID, thought his days were numbered and wanted to put his stamp on the team before leaving this earth. He wasn't legal able to make decisions at the time and therefore the contract is non-enforceable.


Four years doh


You see, playing with Connor McDavid for half a season and trying to stab a guy with your skate entitles you to 12 million dollars.



There seems to be a pattern developing where if you can get a month or so on McDavid's line, you end up with a multi-year deal. Chasson, Archie and Kassian should start a club. I expect great things from AA next year.


Haven’t you heard? Holland may not bring AA back. (Waste of assets, if true.)


It's hard to justify his $3M qualifying offer though. He absolutely did not look like that kind of player during his time here (or in Detroit this year).

That said, he put up 30 G and 54 points the season before, and I feel like that would be a bargain for $3M. Tough call.



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mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 12 August 2020 16:35

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 12 August 2020 15:37

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 12 August 2020 14:24

smyth260 wrote on Wed, 12 August 2020 13:18

Gator21 wrote on Wed, 12 August 2020 11:46

Magnum wrote on Tue, 11 August 2020 18:50

When did they sign Kassian for three years?

Was I sleeping? January 29, 2020 it would seem. Unreal. I think there needs to be a COVID-out or something. Holland had COVID, thought his days were numbered and wanted to put his stamp on the team before leaving this earth. He wasn't legal able to make decisions at the time and therefore the contract is non-enforceable.


Four years doh


You see, playing with Connor McDavid for half a season and trying to stab a guy with your skate entitles you to 12 million dollars.



There seems to be a pattern developing where if you can get a month or so on McDavid's line, you end up with a multi-year deal. Chasson, Archie and Kassian should start a club. I expect great things from AA next year.


Haven’t you heard? Holland may not bring AA back. (Waste of assets, if true.)


It's hard to justify his $3M qualifying offer though. He absolutely did not look like that kind of player during his time here (or in Detroit this year).

That said, he put up 30 G and 54 points the season before, and I feel like that would be a bargain for $3M. Tough call.



He's only 26 years old and has put up some decent seasons in the past. I think you have to qualify him and bring him back at close to the same number, even if it's a short term deal. Either that or trade him to get back some of what you gave up.

If you don't qualify him after only 13 games as an Oiler then you've really squandered assets needlessly.

The good news is that his no-show should make him cheaper to re-sign.



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It's been a weird year and AA has played a grand total of 13 games for the Oilers. I don't think that is a long enough sample size to judge the player enough to walk away.


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I actually though AA was one of the better players in the last couple games. Seemed to be making plays but his puck luck was terrible. Kassian however was a no show for pretty much the whole series. I'm hoping it was a one off because that contract is far too high for a guy not even setting the tone physically.


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oilerfan79 wrote on Fri, 14 August 2020 05:48

I actually though AA was one of the better players in the last couple games. Seemed to be making plays but his puck luck was terrible. Kassian however was a no show for pretty much the whole series. I'm hoping it was a one off because that contract is far too high for a guy not even setting the tone physically.


To be fair to both Kassian and Athanasiou - they were our most seldom used forwards. It's harder to make an impact when you only play 10 minutes a game.

It definitely would have made a difference if they could have brought more than zeros and minuses though...



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Adam wrote on Fri, 14 August 2020 09:39

oilerfan79 wrote on Fri, 14 August 2020 05:48

I actually though AA was one of the better players in the last couple games. Seemed to be making plays but his puck luck was terrible. Kassian however was a no show for pretty much the whole series. I'm hoping it was a one off because that contract is far too high for a guy not even setting the tone physically.


To be fair to both Kassian and Athanasiou - they were our most seldom used forwards. It's harder to make an impact when you only play 10 minutes a game.

It definitely would have made a difference if they could have brought more than zeros and minuses though...


Main dif I guess would be that Kass was gifted a top line spot, while AA had to bust his butt to try to work up from the bottom 6.

Kass rewarded us by giving the puck away every time he touched it, completely killing the 1st line, and getting put on his butt by Nylander.



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Adam wrote on Wed, 12 August 2020 16:53

mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 12 August 2020 16:35

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 12 August 2020 15:37

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 12 August 2020 14:24

smyth260 wrote on Wed, 12 August 2020 13:18

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Magnum wrote on Tue, 11 August 2020 18:50

When did they sign Kassian for three years?

Was I sleeping? January 29, 2020 it would seem. Unreal. I think there needs to be a COVID-out or something. Holland had COVID, thought his days were numbered and wanted to put his stamp on the team before leaving this earth. He wasn't legal able to make decisions at the time and therefore the contract is non-enforceable.


Four years doh


You see, playing with Connor McDavid for half a season and trying to stab a guy with your skate entitles you to 12 million dollars.



There seems to be a pattern developing where if you can get a month or so on McDavid's line, you end up with a multi-year deal. Chasson, Archie and Kassian should start a club. I expect great things from AA next year.


Haven’t you heard? Holland may not bring AA back. (Waste of assets, if true.)


It's hard to justify his $3M qualifying offer though. He absolutely did not look like that kind of player during his time here (or in Detroit this year).

That said, he put up 30 G and 54 points the season before, and I feel like that would be a bargain for $3M. Tough call.



He's only 26 years old and has put up some decent seasons in the past. I think you have to qualify him and bring him back at close to the same number, even if it's a short term deal. Either that or trade him to get back some of what you gave up.

If you don't qualify him after only 13 games as an Oiler then you've really squandered assets needlessly.

The good news is that his no-show should make him cheaper to re-sign.


What if Ryan Kuffner turns out, then it's a deal!

I thought it was a third for AA, but it two-seconds, for AA and Ryan Kuffner.

That's a pretty big loss for that payment.

Goooooooo Kuffner!



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Magnum wrote on Fri, 14 August 2020 13:44

Adam wrote on Wed, 12 August 2020 16:53

mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 12 August 2020 16:35

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 12 August 2020 15:37

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 12 August 2020 14:24

smyth260 wrote on Wed, 12 August 2020 13:18

Gator21 wrote on Wed, 12 August 2020 11:46

Magnum wrote on Tue, 11 August 2020 18:50

When did they sign Kassian for three years?

Was I sleeping? January 29, 2020 it would seem. Unreal. I think there needs to be a COVID-out or something. Holland had COVID, thought his days were numbered and wanted to put his stamp on the team before leaving this earth. He wasn't legal able to make decisions at the time and therefore the contract is non-enforceable.


Four years doh


You see, playing with Connor McDavid for half a season and trying to stab a guy with your skate entitles you to 12 million dollars.



There seems to be a pattern developing where if you can get a month or so on McDavid's line, you end up with a multi-year deal. Chasson, Archie and Kassian should start a club. I expect great things from AA next year.


Haven’t you heard? Holland may not bring AA back. (Waste of assets, if true.)


It's hard to justify his $3M qualifying offer though. He absolutely did not look like that kind of player during his time here (or in Detroit this year).

That said, he put up 30 G and 54 points the season before, and I feel like that would be a bargain for $3M. Tough call.



He's only 26 years old and has put up some decent seasons in the past. I think you have to qualify him and bring him back at close to the same number, even if it's a short term deal. Either that or trade him to get back some of what you gave up.

If you don't qualify him after only 13 games as an Oiler then you've really squandered assets needlessly.

The good news is that his no-show should make him cheaper to re-sign.


What if Ryan Kuffner turns out, then it's a deal!

I thought it was a third for AA, but it two-seconds, for AA and Ryan Kuffner.

That's a pretty big loss for that payment.

Goooooooo Kuffner!


That looks like a contract move, like the dude we got for Yakupov. He played 4 games with the Condors, but he's a free agent this summer. 24 year old left winger, coming off an 11-point season - that's a guy who doesn't get a qualifying offer.



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Magnum wrote on Tue, 11 August 2020 18:50

When did they sign Kassian for three years?

Was I sleeping? January 29, 2020 it would seem. Unreal. I think there needs to be a COVID-out or something. Holland had COVID, thought his days were numbered and wanted to put his stamp on the team before leaving this earth. He wasn't legal able to make decisions at the time and therefore the contract is non-enforceable.


I'm kind of shocked that with a flat cap and the real possibility of deflation, that the CBA doesn't include a compliance buyout. Unfortunately, the Oilers have more than one candidate.



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I'm hoping Holland knows more about AA than we all do. He drafted and developed him. I'm guessing he gets qualified and does better with a fresh start.


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