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Time for one of those huge rebound efforts tomorrow. If that doesn't come, finger is gonna start moving towards the panic button :)


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Kr55 wrote on Sat, 30 November 2019 21:32

Time for one of those huge rebound efforts tomorrow. If that doesn't come, finger is gonna start moving towards the panic button :)


Hey Chiarelli isn't here anymore..and Holland doesn't panic... I think he might've disconnected the button... Jesse's agent could tell us. ..



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Hey Goffer, we need you to blow some sunshine up our asses right about now. This was another poor effort by the top line, and we all know that the secondary scoring isn’t going to win them games.


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Ragnarok73 wrote on Sat, 30 November 2019 23:20

Hey Goffer, we need you to blow some sunshine up our asses right about now. This was another poor effort by the top line, and we all know that the secondary scoring isn’t going to win them games.

Ah a team can’t win every game. The Oilers are still in first and the canucks played well. It’s cool, trust the system. They’ll rebound tomorrow.



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They should start treating smith like a backup goalie not a 1a/1b. He lets so many soft goals. He should get fewer games. On an aside his puck handling is overrated and causes more errors than it advances the play.


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Mullet wrote on Sun, 01 December 2019 09:52

They should start treating smith like a backup goalie not a 1a/1b. He lets so many soft goals. He should get fewer games. On an aside his puck handling is overrated and causes more errors than it advances the play.

2a/2b?



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Mullet wrote on Sun, 01 December 2019 09:52

They should start treating smith like a backup goalie not a 1a/1b. He lets so many soft goals. He should get fewer games. On an aside his puck handling is overrated and causes more errors than it advances the play.


I thought he was awful last night, and agreed.



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Mullet wrote on Sun, 01 December 2019 09:52

They should start treating smith like a backup goalie not a 1a/1b. He lets so many soft goals. He should get fewer games. On an aside his puck handling is overrated and causes more errors than it advances the play.


I thought he was awful last night, and agreed.


Ditto. If he is injured playing him is a coaching fail also. How long is he signed for again?



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Mullet wrote on Sun, 01 December 2019 09:52

They should start treating smith like a backup goalie not a 1a/1b. He lets so many soft goals. He should get fewer games. On an aside his puck handling is overrated and causes more errors than it advances the play.


After a good start, his numbers have reverted to mirror last year. That's not all that surprising - he's an old goalie who was showing real signs of regression. The good news is that A) it's only a one-year deal and B) back-up goalies have been moving in the league again this year so worst case scenario, we may be able to replace him cheaply if needed.

The bad news comes if the other shoe drops on Koskinen as well. Much of our playoff hopes, as well as the chances of making any noise in the playoffs, revolves around at least one goalie proving to be what they looked like at the start of this season. If Koskinen falls back to where he was at the second half of last year, it could be devastating on the chances of the Oilers making any noise - even with the top two scorers in the league.

Complicating that is the cap crunch. There are some 2006 comparables here - the early part of that year showed a talented team who was competitive, but with a flawed roster with some glaring holes - specifically depth defence and goaltending. We were able to acquire Spacek and Tarnstrom in January, and then Roloson at the deadline and even were able to bolster the forward ranks by bringing on Samsonov and Rem Murray. We did it at the expense of only two low-cost roster players (Cross & Reasoner) plus a bubble guy in Rita.

This time, it's scoring wingers, depth forwards and possibly goaltending that look like the issues. It's unlikely we could do the same fix this season, unless we were able to package out some of our uglier contracts in those deals. There's so little cap room, that we may be able to patch only one hole, if that - and it sure doesn't help that bafflingly, Mike Smith has a no-move clause.

Ultimately, we're not in a terrible position today after the last few years, I'll definitely take this - but we've heard a few pundits (Friedman, Burke) recently ask whether there's any point in us pursuing a Taylor Hall-type trade and the roster flaws are the biggest reason for that. Playing every other night for two months in the post-season would make it incredibly difficult to lean on McDavid & Draisaitl for 25 mins a night, and a series with a couple long overtimes might kill them. To be a contender, the Oilers probably need to upgrade 3 forwards and one goalie.

Maybe you can do one of those via a promotion from the farm because let's face it - Patrick Russell, Riley Sheahan and Josh Archibald aren't adding much of anything at this point - but that still leaves 3 people to be acquired with minimal cap room.



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Adam wrote on Sun, 01 December 2019 12:59

Mullet wrote on Sun, 01 December 2019 09:52

They should start treating smith like a backup goalie not a 1a/1b. He lets so many soft goals. He should get fewer games. On an aside his puck handling is overrated and causes more errors than it advances the play.


After a good start, his numbers have reverted to mirror last year. That's not all that surprising - he's an old goalie who was showing real signs of regression. The good news is that A) it's only a one-year deal and B) back-up goalies have been moving in the league again this year so worst case scenario, we may be able to replace him cheaply if needed.

The bad news comes if the other shoe drops on Koskinen as well. Much of our playoff hopes, as well as the chances of making any noise in the playoffs, revolves around at least one goalie proving to be what they looked like at the start of this season. If Koskinen falls back to where he was at the second half of last year, it could be devastating on the chances of the Oilers making any noise - even with the top two scorers in the league.

Complicating that is the cap crunch. There are some 2006 comparables here - the early part of that year showed a talented team who was competitive, but with a flawed roster with some glaring holes - specifically depth defence and goaltending. We were able to acquire Spacek and Tarnstrom in January, and then Roloson at the deadline and even were able to bolster the forward ranks by bringing on Samsonov and Rem Murray. We did it at the expense of only two low-cost roster players (Cross & Reasoner) plus a bubble guy in Rita.

This time, it's scoring wingers, depth forwards and possibly goaltending that look like the issues. It's unlikely we could do the same fix this season, unless we were able to package out some of our uglier contracts in those deals. There's so little cap room, that we may be able to patch only one hole, if that - and it sure doesn't help that bafflingly, Mike Smith has a no-move clause.

Ultimately, we're not in a terrible position today after the last few years, I'll definitely take this - but we've heard a few pundits (Friedman, Burke) recently ask whether there's any point in us pursuing a Taylor Hall-type trade and the roster flaws are the biggest reason for that. Playing every other night for two months in the post-season would make it incredibly difficult to lean on McDavid & Draisaitl for 25 mins a night, and a series with a couple long overtimes might kill them. To be a contender, the Oilers probably need to upgrade 3 forwards and one goalie.

Maybe you can do one of those via a promotion from the farm because let's face it - Patrick Russell, Riley Sheahan and Josh Archibald aren't adding much of anything at this point - but that still leaves 3 people to be acquired with minimal cap room.

I think, maybe hope, Holland will continue to show patience this year. I agree with everything you said, but it was the plan for this season. Deal with the roster holes and hope like hell the big forwards get decent goaltending. Next year the cap space opens up and the holes can be fixed with more than duct tape and prayer... unless Holland goes big game hunting and sells future assets and cap space to make a run now. I don't think that makes sense, but we shall see.

I like the Oilers' current position. First place in a bad division.



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CrusaderPi wrote on Sun, 01 December 2019 13:13

Adam wrote on Sun, 01 December 2019 12:59

Mullet wrote on Sun, 01 December 2019 09:52

They should start treating smith like a backup goalie not a 1a/1b. He lets so many soft goals. He should get fewer games. On an aside his puck handling is overrated and causes more errors than it advances the play.


After a good start, his numbers have reverted to mirror last year. That's not all that surprising - he's an old goalie who was showing real signs of regression. The good news is that A) it's only a one-year deal and B) back-up goalies have been moving in the league again this year so worst case scenario, we may be able to replace him cheaply if needed.

The bad news comes if the other shoe drops on Koskinen as well. Much of our playoff hopes, as well as the chances of making any noise in the playoffs, revolves around at least one goalie proving to be what they looked like at the start of this season. If Koskinen falls back to where he was at the second half of last year, it could be devastating on the chances of the Oilers making any noise - even with the top two scorers in the league.

Complicating that is the cap crunch. There are some 2006 comparables here - the early part of that year showed a talented team who was competitive, but with a flawed roster with some glaring holes - specifically depth defence and goaltending. We were able to acquire Spacek and Tarnstrom in January, and then Roloson at the deadline and even were able to bolster the forward ranks by bringing on Samsonov and Rem Murray. We did it at the expense of only two low-cost roster players (Cross & Reasoner) plus a bubble guy in Rita.

This time, it's scoring wingers, depth forwards and possibly goaltending that look like the issues. It's unlikely we could do the same fix this season, unless we were able to package out some of our uglier contracts in those deals. There's so little cap room, that we may be able to patch only one hole, if that - and it sure doesn't help that bafflingly, Mike Smith has a no-move clause.

Ultimately, we're not in a terrible position today after the last few years, I'll definitely take this - but we've heard a few pundits (Friedman, Burke) recently ask whether there's any point in us pursuing a Taylor Hall-type trade and the roster flaws are the biggest reason for that. Playing every other night for two months in the post-season would make it incredibly difficult to lean on McDavid & Draisaitl for 25 mins a night, and a series with a couple long overtimes might kill them. To be a contender, the Oilers probably need to upgrade 3 forwards and one goalie.

Maybe you can do one of those via a promotion from the farm because let's face it - Patrick Russell, Riley Sheahan and Josh Archibald aren't adding much of anything at this point - but that still leaves 3 people to be acquired with minimal cap room.

I think, maybe hope, Holland will continue to show patience this year. I agree with everything you said, but it was the plan for this season. Deal with the roster holes and hope like hell the big forwards get decent goaltending. Next year the cap space opens up and the holes can be fixed with more than duct tape and prayer... unless Holland goes big game hunting and sells future assets and cap space to make a run now. I don't think that makes sense, but we shall see.

I like the Oilers' current position. First place in a bad division.


I find it tough to just stick to the plan though - it IS a weak division and the Central hasn't been as strong as originally billed either. There's a potential for a deep run there, especially with your top two players playing at the level they're at. The idea of just accepting this year isn't it scares me because there's no guarantees that next year the competition isn't stronger, or there's a major injury to someone that impacts performance.

If we're in to January and still in top spot in the division, I think the team has to strongly consider betting on this year's team.



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Adam wrote on Sun, 01 December 2019 13:24

CrusaderPi wrote on Sun, 01 December 2019 13:13

Adam wrote on Sun, 01 December 2019 12:59

Mullet wrote on Sun, 01 December 2019 09:52

They should start treating smith like a backup goalie not a 1a/1b. He lets so many soft goals. He should get fewer games. On an aside his puck handling is overrated and causes more errors than it advances the play.


After a good start, his numbers have reverted to mirror last year. That's not all that surprising - he's an old goalie who was showing real signs of regression. The good news is that A) it's only a one-year deal and B) back-up goalies have been moving in the league again this year so worst case scenario, we may be able to replace him cheaply if needed.

The bad news comes if the other shoe drops on Koskinen as well. Much of our playoff hopes, as well as the chances of making any noise in the playoffs, revolves around at least one goalie proving to be what they looked like at the start of this season. If Koskinen falls back to where he was at the second half of last year, it could be devastating on the chances of the Oilers making any noise - even with the top two scorers in the league.

Complicating that is the cap crunch. There are some 2006 comparables here - the early part of that year showed a talented team who was competitive, but with a flawed roster with some glaring holes - specifically depth defence and goaltending. We were able to acquire Spacek and Tarnstrom in January, and then Roloson at the deadline and even were able to bolster the forward ranks by bringing on Samsonov and Rem Murray. We did it at the expense of only two low-cost roster players (Cross & Reasoner) plus a bubble guy in Rita.

This time, it's scoring wingers, depth forwards and possibly goaltending that look like the issues. It's unlikely we could do the same fix this season, unless we were able to package out some of our uglier contracts in those deals. There's so little cap room, that we may be able to patch only one hole, if that - and it sure doesn't help that bafflingly, Mike Smith has a no-move clause.

Ultimately, we're not in a terrible position today after the last few years, I'll definitely take this - but we've heard a few pundits (Friedman, Burke) recently ask whether there's any point in us pursuing a Taylor Hall-type trade and the roster flaws are the biggest reason for that. Playing every other night for two months in the post-season would make it incredibly difficult to lean on McDavid & Draisaitl for 25 mins a night, and a series with a couple long overtimes might kill them. To be a contender, the Oilers probably need to upgrade 3 forwards and one goalie.

Maybe you can do one of those via a promotion from the farm because let's face it - Patrick Russell, Riley Sheahan and Josh Archibald aren't adding much of anything at this point - but that still leaves 3 people to be acquired with minimal cap room.

I think, maybe hope, Holland will continue to show patience this year. I agree with everything you said, but it was the plan for this season. Deal with the roster holes and hope like hell the big forwards get decent goaltending. Next year the cap space opens up and the holes can be fixed with more than duct tape and prayer... unless Holland goes big game hunting and sells future assets and cap space to make a run now. I don't think that makes sense, but we shall see.

I like the Oilers' current position. First place in a bad division.


I find it tough to just stick to the plan though - it IS a weak division and the Central hasn't been as strong as originally billed either. There's a potential for a deep run there, especially with your top two players playing at the level they're at. The idea of just accepting this year isn't it scares me because there's no guarantees that next year the competition isn't stronger, or there's a major injury to someone that impacts performance.

If we're in to January and still in top spot in the division, I think the team has to strongly consider betting on this year's team.

Sure they should make smart bets. They should always do that, but I think if people want Holland to make a 2006 Lowe-style splash at deadline they're banking on hope over reason again. If the division is bad, just keep getting a little better. Always just a little better.



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Adam wrote on Sun, 01 December 2019 12:59

Mullet wrote on Sun, 01 December 2019 09:52

They should start treating smith like a backup goalie not a 1a/1b. He lets so many soft goals. He should get fewer games. On an aside his puck handling is overrated and causes more errors than it advances the play.


After a good start, his numbers have reverted to mirror last year. That's not all that surprising - he's an old goalie who was showing real signs of regression. The good news is that A) it's only a one-year deal and B) back-up goalies have been moving in the league again this year so worst case scenario, we may be able to replace him cheaply if needed.

The bad news comes if the other shoe drops on Koskinen as well. Much of our playoff hopes, as well as the chances of making any noise in the playoffs, revolves around at least one goalie proving to be what they looked like at the start of this season. If Koskinen falls back to where he was at the second half of last year, it could be devastating on the chances of the Oilers making any noise - even with the top two scorers in the league.

Complicating that is the cap crunch. There are some 2006 comparables here - the early part of that year showed a talented team who was competitive, but with a flawed roster with some glaring holes - specifically depth defence and goaltending. We were able to acquire Spacek and Tarnstrom in January, and then Roloson at the deadline and even were able to bolster the forward ranks by bringing on Samsonov and Rem Murray. We did it at the expense of only two low-cost roster players (Cross & Reasoner) plus a bubble guy in Rita.

This time, it's scoring wingers, depth forwards and possibly goaltending that look like the issues. It's unlikely we could do the same fix this season, unless we were able to package out some of our uglier contracts in those deals. There's so little cap room, that we may be able to patch only one hole, if that - and it sure doesn't help that bafflingly, Mike Smith has a no-move clause.

Ultimately, we're not in a terrible position today after the last few years, I'll definitely take this - but we've heard a few pundits (Friedman, Burke) recently ask whether there's any point in us pursuing a Taylor Hall-type trade and the roster flaws are the biggest reason for that. Playing every other night for two months in the post-season would make it incredibly difficult to lean on McDavid & Draisaitl for 25 mins a night, and a series with a couple long overtimes might kill them. To be a contender, the Oilers probably need to upgrade 3 forwards and one goalie.

Maybe you can do one of those via a promotion from the farm because let's face it - Patrick Russell, Riley Sheahan and Josh Archibald aren't adding much of anything at this point - but that still leaves 3 people to be acquired with minimal cap room.


Doubt a Hall trade is made unless an extension is already worked out. I can't see Holland going wild for a rental this year.



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Kr55 wrote on Sun, 01 December 2019 15:09

Adam wrote on Sun, 01 December 2019 12:59

Mullet wrote on Sun, 01 December 2019 09:52

They should start treating smith like a backup goalie not a 1a/1b. He lets so many soft goals. He should get fewer games. On an aside his puck handling is overrated and causes more errors than it advances the play.


After a good start, his numbers have reverted to mirror last year. That's not all that surprising - he's an old goalie who was showing real signs of regression. The good news is that A) it's only a one-year deal and B) back-up goalies have been moving in the league again this year so worst case scenario, we may be able to replace him cheaply if needed.

The bad news comes if the other shoe drops on Koskinen as well. Much of our playoff hopes, as well as the chances of making any noise in the playoffs, revolves around at least one goalie proving to be what they looked like at the start of this season. If Koskinen falls back to where he was at the second half of last year, it could be devastating on the chances of the Oilers making any noise - even with the top two scorers in the league.

Complicating that is the cap crunch. There are some 2006 comparables here - the early part of that year showed a talented team who was competitive, but with a flawed roster with some glaring holes - specifically depth defence and goaltending. We were able to acquire Spacek and Tarnstrom in January, and then Roloson at the deadline and even were able to bolster the forward ranks by bringing on Samsonov and Rem Murray. We did it at the expense of only two low-cost roster players (Cross & Reasoner) plus a bubble guy in Rita.

This time, it's scoring wingers, depth forwards and possibly goaltending that look like the issues. It's unlikely we could do the same fix this season, unless we were able to package out some of our uglier contracts in those deals. There's so little cap room, that we may be able to patch only one hole, if that - and it sure doesn't help that bafflingly, Mike Smith has a no-move clause.

Ultimately, we're not in a terrible position today after the last few years, I'll definitely take this - but we've heard a few pundits (Friedman, Burke) recently ask whether there's any point in us pursuing a Taylor Hall-type trade and the roster flaws are the biggest reason for that. Playing every other night for two months in the post-season would make it incredibly difficult to lean on McDavid & Draisaitl for 25 mins a night, and a series with a couple long overtimes might kill them. To be a contender, the Oilers probably need to upgrade 3 forwards and one goalie.

Maybe you can do one of those via a promotion from the farm because let's face it - Patrick Russell, Riley Sheahan and Josh Archibald aren't adding much of anything at this point - but that still leaves 3 people to be acquired with minimal cap room.


Doubt a Hall trade is made unless an extension is already worked out. I can't see Holland going wild for a rental this year.


Fully agree on this.

I’d disagree with Adam’s point though because Sheahan and Archibald sure aren’t contributing much of anything offensively, but they’re providing a pretty dang good penalty kill. It would be great if/when they start contributing on the scoresheet but I believe that part will come with them.



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Oscargasm wrote on Sun, 01 December 2019 14:24


I’d disagree with Adam’s point though because Sheahan and Archibald sure aren’t contributing much of anything offensively, but they’re providing a pretty dang good penalty kill. It would be great if/when they start contributing on the scoresheet but I believe that part will come with them.


I think there's a lot of players who can penalty kill out there. Sheahan & Archibald have combined for 0-0-1 in 42 games. They're a combined -16. They're playing below the level you'd expect of an NHL fourth liner - even if the PK has been decent with them a part of it. Maybe they can improve - but so far they look like to me like they should be replaced.



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CrusaderPi wrote on Sun, 01 December 2019 13:29


Sure they should make smart bets. They should always do that, but I think if people want Holland to make a 2006 Lowe-style splash at deadline they're banking on hope over reason again. If the division is bad, just keep getting a little better. Always just a little better.


Kr55 wrote on Sun, 01 December 2019 14:09


Doubt a Hall trade is made unless an extension is already worked out. I can't see Holland going wild for a rental this year.


I agree with both of these things - we don't want to sell the farm here, and we need to be certain that if we do make moves, that they're somewhat sustainable.

That is the one thing about the 2006 moves - Spacek, Tarnstrom, Samsonov, Roloson, Murray were all UFAs to be, and there were several others on the team that were too (Peca, Pisani, Laraque, Harvey).

Lowe was gambling that if we were really good, players would want to sign at a discount to stay, or we'd attract other free agents who wanted to play with a really good team led by a future Hall of Fame defenceman. It was probably a good bet - after all, Calgary had signed a few people who wanted to play with Iginla after the 2004 run - buuuuuuut...well, we all know what happened there.

A run might help convince players the future is near and may make it easier to attract people to come here.

We do have some assets we could use too - 2020 1st rounder, Puljujarvi, Yamamoto, Benson, Jones, even Broberg...depending on what's available and what bad contract they might take with it I wouldn't say any of those are untouchable.

I still think the whole thing hinges on Koskinen. If he falters, then maybe there's no point in taking any big swings



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