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 Allegations of Racism towards Flames' Bill Peters [message #747808]
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I think this story is about to get a lot bigger. A more in depth account from Akim Aliu, with backing of a couple of his teammates, has been released by TSN.

https://www.tsn.ca/akim-aliu-speaks-publicly-on-allegations- against-calgary-flames-head-coach-bill-peters-1.1403974

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“He walked in before a morning pre-game skate and said ‘Hey Akim, I’m sick of you playing that n----- s---,’ ” Aliu told TSN, with Peters, who was then the Ice Hogs head coach, referring to Aliu’s selection of hip-hop music. “He said ‘I’m sick of hearing this n-----s f------ other n-----s in the ass stuff.’

“He then walked out like nothing ever happened. You could hear a pin drop in the room, everything went dead silent. I just sat down in my stall, didn’t say a word.”

Two of Aliu’s Rockford teammates who were in the room at the time of the alleged incident, Simon Pepin and Peter MacArthur, independently corroborated Aliu’s account to TSN on Tuesday.

"I think everyone should be held accountable for their actions or words spoken," Pepin said.

Aliu said Rockford team captain Jake Dowell later confronted Peters about the incident in the coach’s office. Dowell declined to comment, but said he would cooperate in any investigation conducted by the NHL or the Flames.

When Peters then called Aliu into his office to talk about it, Aliu said Peters did not apologize. Instead, Peters again expressed his displeasure in Aliu’s choice of music for the dressing room, with Aliu saying Peters said: “You know, I’m just sick of this n----- s---. It’s every day. From now on, we need to play different music.”


This could get pretty messy.



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https://twitter.com/sheriffmcmorrow/status/11993465250227732 48?s=20

"If you think Mike Commodore had harsh words for Babcock you are in for a treat to hear what I would have to say about Bill Peters ... Worst human being to ever coach me ... treated me terrible on a AHL team (IceHogs) where I won a League Award for Community Service."

Another black hockey player to release some sort of information. I can't find it anywhere yet though.

Not sure who stared the #MeToo of coaches - Grapes or Babcock, but I doubt the controversies end with Peters.

Edit: According to TSN, two teammates who witnessed the incident have corroborated Aliu's story. Peters is done.

[Updated on: Tue, 26 November 2019 12:35]


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JPro wrote on Tue, 26 November 2019 12:11

https://twitter.com/sheriffmcmorrow/status/11993465250227732 48?s=20

"If you think Mike Commodore had harsh words for Babcock you are in for a treat to hear what I would have to say about Bill Peters ... Worst human being to ever coach me ... treated me terrible on a AHL team (IceHogs) where I won a League Award for Community Service."

Another black hockey player to release some sort of information. I can't find it anywhere yet though.

Not sure who stared the #MeToo of coaches - Grapes or Babcock, but I doubt the controversies end with Peters.

Edit: Per Eric Francis, Peters not on ice running practice today.

Anyone thinking that the Flames could be using this as the last straw to can Peters and make a run at getting Babs behind their bench?



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Ragnarok73 wrote on Tue, 26 November 2019 12:36

JPro wrote on Tue, 26 November 2019 12:11

https://twitter.com/sheriffmcmorrow/status/11993465250227732 48?s=20

"If you think Mike Commodore had harsh words for Babcock you are in for a treat to hear what I would have to say about Bill Peters ... Worst human being to ever coach me ... treated me terrible on a AHL team (IceHogs) where I won a League Award for Community Service."

Another black hockey player to release some sort of information. I can't find it anywhere yet though.

Not sure who stared the #MeToo of coaches - Grapes or Babcock, but I doubt the controversies end with Peters.

Edit: Per Eric Francis, Peters not on ice running practice today.

Anyone thinking that the Flames could be using this as the last straw to can Peters and make a run at getting Babs behind their bench?



Don’t think it would be the best look for them to fire a guy for being racist and then go out and hire his mentor who also recently has stories swirling of what a dbag he is. Also their core seems like a bunch of soft millennialswho can’t handle a hard nose coach. That being said they sucked under nice guy Gulutzan too so who knows



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Ragnarok73 wrote on Tue, 26 November 2019 12:36


Anyone thinking that the Flames could be using this as the last straw to can Peters and make a run at getting Babs behind their bench?

Given their struggles this season, he was probably in the cross-hairs to get canned anyway. Now, it's likely they won't have to pay out his contract too.

My bet is that ain't nobody touching the Babs hot stove until the off-season.



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JPro wrote on Tue, 26 November 2019 12:48

Ragnarok73 wrote on Tue, 26 November 2019 12:36


Anyone thinking that the Flames could be using this as the last straw to can Peters and make a run at getting Babs behind their bench?

Given their struggles this season, he was probably in the cross-hairs to get canned anyway. Now, it's likely they won't have to pay out his contract too.

My bet is that ain't nobody touching the Babs hot stove until the off-season.

I just don't want to see them hiring somebody competent. Maybe they make a run at convincing Sutter to step back behind the bench....



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Ragnarok73 wrote on Tue, 26 November 2019 12:56


Maybe they make a run at convincing Sutter to step back behind the bench....

That's amazing. Plus, it's the first step to getting him back into the GM role!

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Ragnarok73 wrote on Tue, 26 November 2019 12:56

JPro wrote on Tue, 26 November 2019 12:48

Ragnarok73 wrote on Tue, 26 November 2019 12:36


Anyone thinking that the Flames could be using this as the last straw to can Peters and make a run at getting Babs behind their bench?

Given their struggles this season, he was probably in the cross-hairs to get canned anyway. Now, it's likely they won't have to pay out his contract too.

My bet is that ain't nobody touching the Babs hot stove until the off-season.

I just don't want to see them hiring somebody competent. Maybe they make a run at convincing Sutter to step back behind the bench....


Dan Carcillo is on Twitter now with allegations of abuse by Daryl Sutter and saying that he brought it forward to Hockey Canada but it was ignored because the Sutters are considered royalty in Hockey Canada.



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If only he had had just worn blackface. Actually, if he apologizes and said his action came from a place of privilege do we forgive him?


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CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 26 November 2019 13:24

If only he had had just worn blackface. Actually, if he apologizes and said his action came from a place of privilege do we forgive him?


If you apologize AND support cancel culture AND champion current values, you can continue being anything you want - even the Prime Minister.

If you don't adhere to the above, you are a hideous human being, who is not evolved enough.



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1) Never wish anything bad to the person but you get what you deserve Bill.After years making it to the NHL had experience with the worst coach ever by far.Kicking me and punching other player to the head during the game...

2) then pretending like nothing happened...couldnt believe my eyes what can happen in the best league.. happy that i dont have to go thrue that stuff on daily basics anymore.


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Former #Canes player Michal Jordan confirms to #TSN that there were "multiple" physical altercations between coach Bill Peters and players in Carolina.

"He kicked me pretty hard in the back during a game," Jordan said. "Even the trainers and the other guys saw it."

Jordan: "I was at that point in my career, like I just got there, so I couldn't say anything. I didn't want them to think I was crying. Me and my agent, we kept it secret. Now other guys are speaking out, so I felt like I could."


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Multiple sources also confirmed to #TSN the other physical altercation alleged in Jordan's tweet: Peters also struck a #Canes defenceman in the head on the bench during a game.

To this point, that #Canes player has wished to remain anonymous. It's his story to tell, until then.



hehe, Eric Francis:

Eric Francis @EricFrancis
Bill Peters not on the ice for Flames practice. Geoff Ward running the show. Flames will clearly make Peters firing official momentarily. He's gone.

Eric Francis @EricFrancis
Brad Treliving had no choice but to fire Peters.

Eric Francis @EricFrancis
Peters has not been fired by the Flames, says Treliving, citing the ongoing investigation.



That's some solid reporting!! SN site also put out a story that Peters was fired and had to erase it quickly.

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Switching gears to abusive coaches like Mike Babcock, Bill Peters & Jeff Perry

My breaking point came when I was sat at the front of the bus in the coach’s seat after an
@OHLHockey
game in Guelph

Jeff sat ditectly behind me & was whispering his abusive rhetoric for 4 plus hours


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PlusOne wrote on Tue, 26 November 2019 14:26

https://twitter.com/CarBombBoom13/status/1199359563927031810

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Daniel Carcillo
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Switching gears to abusive coaches like Mike Babcock, Bill Peters & Jeff Perry

My breaking point came when I was sat at the front of the bus in the coach’s seat after an
@OHLHockey
game in Guelph

Jeff sat ditectly behind me & was whispering his abusive rhetoric for 4 plus hours


Carcillo chimes in adding Jeff Perry to the list

I'm in no way saying that these coaches couldn't be dinks. But does anyone other than failed NHLers feel this way?



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Well current NHL players have something to lose for speaking out.

Colin Kaepernick was once a current NFL player, now a former NFL player.



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smyth260 wrote on Tue, 26 November 2019 14:35

Well current NHL players have something to lose for speaking out.

Colin Kaepernick was once a current NFL player, now a former NFL player.


Extreme example. Eric Reid is playing.



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Magnum wrote on Tue, 26 November 2019 14:47

Did you guys see what former Oilers' coach MacT did to a dog once?



Was he driving at the time?



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CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 26 November 2019 14:56

Magnum wrote on Tue, 26 November 2019 14:47

Did you guys see what former Oilers' coach MacT did to a dog once?



Was he driving at the time?

Too soon.



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CrudeRemarks wrote on Tue, 26 November 2019 15:02

CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 26 November 2019 14:56

Magnum wrote on Tue, 26 November 2019 14:47

Did you guys see what former Oilers' coach MacT did to a dog once?



Was he driving at the time?

Too soon.

My joke came from a place of privilege. I was not raised in a manner that would allow me to know what impact my words would have on other... oh, MacTavish is a white male? Never mind. I was a real Heater of a joke.



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Treliving is going to blame Peters for the Lucic trade.

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CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 26 November 2019 15:31

CrudeRemarks wrote on Tue, 26 November 2019 15:02

CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 26 November 2019 14:56

Magnum wrote on Tue, 26 November 2019 14:47

Did you guys see what former Oilers' coach MacT did to a dog once?



Was he driving at the time?

Too soon.

My joke came from a place of privilege. I was not raised in a manner that would allow me to know what impact my words would have on other... oh, MacTavish is a white male? Never mind. I was a real Heater of a joke.


Sometimes it’s better not to stir stuff up. What you joke about really is an issue and if you can make light of it then you’ve either neither experienced it or knew someone who has been affected by it.

I love dark humour because I can saying that’s a coping mechanism to help deal with something out of the normal, but downplaying privilege affects millions of people daily. Probably not something you should make light of in a regular forum. I have some empathy. I’m a non visible minority who is basically white. I play by a different rule book that is afforded to me by my appearance.

Good riddance to this kind of thinking. It does not serve a productive service to anyone, but the naysayer himself who is in all likelihood a person with his own crappy childhood that is creating future problematic behaviours for people in his circle of influence.

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inverno76 wrote on Tue, 26 November 2019 21:41

CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 26 November 2019 15:31

CrudeRemarks wrote on Tue, 26 November 2019 15:02

CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 26 November 2019 14:56

Magnum wrote on Tue, 26 November 2019 14:47

Did you guys see what former Oilers' coach MacT did to a dog once?



Was he driving at the time?

Too soon.

My joke came from a place of privilege. I was not raised in a manner that would allow me to know what impact my words would have on other... oh, MacTavish is a white male? Never mind. I was a real Heater of a joke.


Sometimes it’s better not to stir stuff up. What you joke about really is an issue and if you can make light of it then you’ve either neither experienced it or knew someone who has been affected by it.

I love dark humour because I can saying that’s a coping mechanism to help deal with something out of the normal, but downplaying privilege affects millions of people daily. Probably not something you should make light of in a regular forum. I have some empathy. I’m a non visible minority who is basically white. I play by a different rule book that is afforded to me by my appearance.

Good riddance to this kind of thinking. It does not serve a productive service to anyone, but the naysayer himself who is in all likelihood a person with his own crappy childhood that is creating future problematic behaviours for people in his circle of influence.


On the bright side this is probably a nail in 19/20 Flames season.



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inverno76 wrote on Tue, 26 November 2019 21:41

CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 26 November 2019 15:31

CrudeRemarks wrote on Tue, 26 November 2019 15:02

CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 26 November 2019 14:56

Magnum wrote on Tue, 26 November 2019 14:47

Did you guys see what former Oilers' coach MacT did to a dog once?



Was he driving at the time?

Too soon.

My joke came from a place of privilege. I was not raised in a manner that would allow me to know what impact my words would have on other... oh, MacTavish is a white male? Never mind. I was a real Heater of a joke.


Sometimes it’s better not to stir stuff up. What you joke about really is an issue and if you can make light of it then you’ve either neither experienced it or knew someone who has been affected by it.

I love dark humour because I can saying that’s a coping mechanism to help deal with something out of the normal, but downplaying privilege affects millions of people daily. Probably not something you should make light of in a regular forum. I have some empathy. I’m a non visible minority who is basically white. I play by a different rule book that is afforded to me by my appearance.

Good riddance to this kind of thinking. It does not serve a productive service to anyone, but the naysayer himself who is in all likelihood a person with his own crappy childhood that is creating future problematic behaviours for people in his circle of influence.

I disagree with all of this. I will continue to make fun of things I think are stupid, not because I'm coping, but because it's funny. Regardless of anyone's perception of reality, victimhood status, or privilege I will continue to treat and judge people according to their actions.

You say good riddance to this kind of thinking, but it's still here. In this thread. Making fun of it all. Because I know the true non-productive part of all of this is the witch hunt we get to watch while hoping it doesn't come for us.

By the way, if it's ok for the Prime Minister it's surely ok for me. My only regret is not taking the time to copy his entire non-apology apology.



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CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 27 November 2019 09:22

inverno76 wrote on Tue, 26 November 2019 21:41

CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 26 November 2019 15:31

CrudeRemarks wrote on Tue, 26 November 2019 15:02

CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 26 November 2019 14:56

Magnum wrote on Tue, 26 November 2019 14:47

Did you guys see what former Oilers' coach MacT did to a dog once?



Was he driving at the time?

Too soon.

My joke came from a place of privilege. I was not raised in a manner that would allow me to know what impact my words would have on other... oh, MacTavish is a white male? Never mind. I was a real Heater of a joke.


Sometimes it’s better not to stir stuff up. What you joke about really is an issue and if you can make light of it then you’ve either neither experienced it or knew someone who has been affected by it.

I love dark humour because I can saying that’s a coping mechanism to help deal with something out of the normal, but downplaying privilege affects millions of people daily. Probably not something you should make light of in a regular forum. I have some empathy. I’m a non visible minority who is basically white. I play by a different rule book that is afforded to me by my appearance.

Good riddance to this kind of thinking. It does not serve a productive service to anyone, but the naysayer himself who is in all likelihood a person with his own crappy childhood that is creating future problematic behaviours for people in his circle of influence.

I disagree with all of this. I will continue to make fun of things I think are stupid, not because I'm coping, but because it's funny. Regardless of anyone's perception of reality, victimhood status, or privilege I will continue to treat and judge people according to their actions.

You say good riddance to this kind of thinking, but it's still here. In this thread. Making fun of it all. Because I know the true non-productive part of all of this is the witch hunt we get to watch while hoping it doesn't come for us.

By the way, if it's ok for the Prime Minister it's surely ok for me. My only regret is not taking the time to copy his entire non-apology apology.


Who said what Trudeau did was ok? You certainly don't behave like you think it's ok, considering you bring it up every opportunity you can wedge it into the conversation (like this thread).

So which is it? Are you fine with that kind of behaviour because you find it humourous (as you stated in your post) or are you in objection to it (as evidence by how critical you are of Trudeau's act)?



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bigEfromGP wrote on Wed, 27 November 2019 09:29



Who said what Trudeau did was ok? You certainly don't behave like you think it's ok, considering you bring it up every opportunity you can wedge it into the conversation (like this thread).

So which is it? Are you fine with that kind of behaviour because you find it humourous (as you stated in your post) or are you in objection to it (as evidence by how critical you are of Trudeau's act)?

Who said it was ok? The good people of Canada who re-elected him.

So which is it? Both, of course. I identify as a righteous liberal now, I can do whatever I want.



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CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 27 November 2019 09:35

bigEfromGP wrote on Wed, 27 November 2019 09:29



Who said what Trudeau did was ok? You certainly don't behave like you think it's ok, considering you bring it up every opportunity you can wedge it into the conversation (like this thread).

So which is it? Are you fine with that kind of behaviour because you find it humourous (as you stated in your post) or are you in objection to it (as evidence by how critical you are of Trudeau's act)?

Who said it was ok? The good people of Canada who re-elected him.

So which is it? Both, of course. I identify as a righteous liberal now, I can do whatever I want.



What an intelligent argument. When called out for your hypocritical behaviour, you take the most childish route. It's a very simple question Pi, just man up and answer it.



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bigEfromGP wrote on Wed, 27 November 2019 09:50

CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 27 November 2019 09:35

bigEfromGP wrote on Wed, 27 November 2019 09:29



Who said what Trudeau did was ok? You certainly don't behave like you think it's ok, considering you bring it up every opportunity you can wedge it into the conversation (like this thread).

So which is it? Are you fine with that kind of behaviour because you find it humourous (as you stated in your post) or are you in objection to it (as evidence by how critical you are of Trudeau's act)?

Who said it was ok? The good people of Canada who re-elected him.

So which is it? Both, of course. I identify as a righteous liberal now, I can do whatever I want.



What an intelligent argument. When called out for your hypocritical behaviour, you take the most childish route. It's a very simple question Pi, just man up and answer it.

Hypocritical? No I don't think so. I said I was ok with what Trudeau did at the time and I still am. I'm simply applying that standard forward to the hockey coach witch hunt.

I guess if you want a simple answer I'll say I'm fine with humor because it's funny. And I'm fine with Trudeau being in blackface because I don't see it as an issue (if you do see it as an issue, please repeat Trudeau's non-apology in my voice).



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CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 27 November 2019 10:05

bigEfromGP wrote on Wed, 27 November 2019 09:50

CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 27 November 2019 09:35

bigEfromGP wrote on Wed, 27 November 2019 09:29



Who said what Trudeau did was ok? You certainly don't behave like you think it's ok, considering you bring it up every opportunity you can wedge it into the conversation (like this thread).

So which is it? Are you fine with that kind of behaviour because you find it humourous (as you stated in your post) or are you in objection to it (as evidence by how critical you are of Trudeau's act)?

Who said it was ok? The good people of Canada who re-elected him.

So which is it? Both, of course. I identify as a righteous liberal now, I can do whatever I want.



What an intelligent argument. When called out for your hypocritical behaviour, you take the most childish route. It's a very simple question Pi, just man up and answer it.

Hypocritical? No I don't think so. I said I was ok with what Trudeau did at the time and I still am. I'm simply applying that standard forward to the hockey coach witch hunt.

I guess if you want a simple answer I'll say I'm fine with humor because it's funny. And I'm fine with Trudeau being in blackface because I don't see it as an issue (if you do see it as an issue, please repeat Trudeau's non-apology in my voice).


If you don't have an issue with it then why are you constantly bringing it up and criticizing him for it?



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bigEfromGP wrote on Wed, 27 November 2019 10:09

CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 27 November 2019 10:05

bigEfromGP wrote on Wed, 27 November 2019 09:50

CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 27 November 2019 09:35

bigEfromGP wrote on Wed, 27 November 2019 09:29



Who said what Trudeau did was ok? You certainly don't behave like you think it's ok, considering you bring it up every opportunity you can wedge it into the conversation (like this thread).

So which is it? Are you fine with that kind of behaviour because you find it humourous (as you stated in your post) or are you in objection to it (as evidence by how critical you are of Trudeau's act)?

Who said it was ok? The good people of Canada who re-elected him.

So which is it? Both, of course. I identify as a righteous liberal now, I can do whatever I want.



What an intelligent argument. When called out for your hypocritical behaviour, you take the most childish route. It's a very simple question Pi, just man up and answer it.

Hypocritical? No I don't think so. I said I was ok with what Trudeau did at the time and I still am. I'm simply applying that standard forward to the hockey coach witch hunt.

I guess if you want a simple answer I'll say I'm fine with humor because it's funny. And I'm fine with Trudeau being in blackface because I don't see it as an issue (if you do see it as an issue, please repeat Trudeau's non-apology in my voice).


If you don't have an issue with it then why are you constantly bringing it up and criticizing him for it?

It wasn't a criticism when I brought it up here. It's a reference point that parallels the current hockey coach witch hunt we're watching. When it's a similar event to the next big cancel culture movement, I'll bring it up then too as a reference point.



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CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 27 November 2019 10:14

bigEfromGP wrote on Wed, 27 November 2019 10:09

CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 27 November 2019 10:05

bigEfromGP wrote on Wed, 27 November 2019 09:50

CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 27 November 2019 09:35

bigEfromGP wrote on Wed, 27 November 2019 09:29



Who said what Trudeau did was ok? You certainly don't behave like you think it's ok, considering you bring it up every opportunity you can wedge it into the conversation (like this thread).

So which is it? Are you fine with that kind of behaviour because you find it humourous (as you stated in your post) or are you in objection to it (as evidence by how critical you are of Trudeau's act)?

Who said it was ok? The good people of Canada who re-elected him.

So which is it? Both, of course. I identify as a righteous liberal now, I can do whatever I want.



What an intelligent argument. When called out for your hypocritical behaviour, you take the most childish route. It's a very simple question Pi, just man up and answer it.

Hypocritical? No I don't think so. I said I was ok with what Trudeau did at the time and I still am. I'm simply applying that standard forward to the hockey coach witch hunt.

I guess if you want a simple answer I'll say I'm fine with humor because it's funny. And I'm fine with Trudeau being in blackface because I don't see it as an issue (if you do see it as an issue, please repeat Trudeau's non-apology in my voice).


If you don't have an issue with it then why are you constantly bringing it up and criticizing him for it?

It wasn't a criticism when I brought it up here. It's a reference point that parallels the current hockey coach witch hunt we're watching. When it's a similar event to the next big cancel culture movement, I'll bring it up then too as a reference point.


You guys are ruining Bill Peters' big thread. This is the end of his 15 minutes of fame, so please be respectful and take your political arguments to the political thread. Bill needs this.



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Magnum wrote on Tue, 26 November 2019 13:47

Did you guys see what former Oilers' coach MacT did to a dog once?




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CrudeRemarks wrote on Tue, 26 November 2019 14:36

smyth260 wrote on Tue, 26 November 2019 14:35

Well current NHL players have something to lose for speaking out.

Colin Kaepernick was once a current NFL player, now a former NFL player.


Extreme example. Eric Reid is playing.

Plus Kaep turned into a really bad NFL quarterback.



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CrudeRemarks wrote on Tue, 26 November 2019 14:31

PlusOne wrote on Tue, 26 November 2019 14:26

https://twitter.com/CarBombBoom13/status/1199359563927031810

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Daniel Carcillo
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Switching gears to abusive coaches like Mike Babcock, Bill Peters & Jeff Perry

My breaking point came when I was sat at the front of the bus in the coach’s seat after an
@OHLHockey
game in Guelph

Jeff sat ditectly behind me & was whispering his abusive rhetoric for 4 plus hours


Carcillo chimes in adding Jeff Perry to the list

I'm in no way saying that these coaches couldn't be dinks. But does anyone other than failed NHLers feel this way?


A couple points here:

1) Anyone still playing is unlikely to say anything. It's a potential career killer. Hockey labels players as trouble-makers and then it's almost impossible to break free of that - even moving teams.

2) Stars are less likely to get abuse because they have the most power on the team. If you are abusive to Jarome Iginla, and he says something then you're going to get fired - the team doesn't pick coaches over superstars very often. For bubble guys, they're the most likely to get bullied by coaches because they know their whole career depends on being considered a good soldier - and that means not making waves.

3) Most of these guys think they're trying to be Scotty Bowman - who was known for picking whipping boys. Vyacheslav Kozlov was apparently that guy for the Red Wings. He never chose Guy LaFleur or Steve Yzerman as the guy who he went after.

4) A lot of the players who are getting verbally abused don't really understand it's abusive unless it's so beyond the pale that it's impossible to ignore. Hockey culture is similar to army culture where it's been ingrained that people won't play hard enough unless they've been fire-tested by their coaches. You listen to a lot of stories about coaches, and they're over-the-top - and the players laugh about them as just something they survived and had to put up with - they'll often even give that coach credit for making them the player they became - and then when they inevitably coach some team, whether pro, minor pro or just their kids rep team - often they're imitating what they saw and the cycle begins anew.

I guarantee we hear lots of stories over the next while about players who say "he was really hard on me, but it was good" while telling stories about coaches doing and saying ridiculous things. I would bet that there's a lot more nightmare stories in the juniors and minor leagues too where the coach has ultimate power over player's career - you don't play and you don't get noticed, so kids just have to swallow hard and take it.

Honestly we're only a few years removed from the realization about how bad hazing rituals were in junior hockey - and those date back forever. Gretzky talked in his first book years ago about being made to run naked through the park with the other rookies when he was with the Sault Ste Marie Greyhounds, and then getting picked up by police who were in on the joke and held naked in a prison cell... It was told as an amusing anecdote, and the kind of thing everyone had to go through then - it just wouldn't be accepted any more.



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So Bill Peters won’t be coaching the Flames in Buffalo while Treliving tries to figure a way out of this predicament. Geoff Ward will fill in.



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Adam wrote on Tue, 26 November 2019 16:44

CrudeRemarks wrote on Tue, 26 November 2019 14:31

PlusOne wrote on Tue, 26 November 2019 14:26

https://twitter.com/CarBombBoom13/status/1199359563927031810

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Daniel Carcillo
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Switching gears to abusive coaches like Mike Babcock, Bill Peters & Jeff Perry

My breaking point came when I was sat at the front of the bus in the coach’s seat after an
@OHLHockey
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Jeff sat ditectly behind me & was whispering his abusive rhetoric for 4 plus hours


Carcillo chimes in adding Jeff Perry to the list

I'm in no way saying that these coaches couldn't be dinks. But does anyone other than failed NHLers feel this way?


A couple points here:

1) Anyone still playing is unlikely to say anything. It's a potential career killer. Hockey labels players as trouble-makers and then it's almost impossible to break free of that - even moving teams.

2) Stars are less likely to get abuse because they have the most power on the team. If you are abusive to Jarome Iginla, and he says something then you're going to get fired - the team doesn't pick coaches over superstars very often. For bubble guys, they're the most likely to get bullied by coaches because they know their whole career depends on being considered a good soldier - and that means not making waves.

3) Most of these guys think they're trying to be Scotty Bowman - who was known for picking whipping boys. Vyacheslav Kozlov was apparently that guy for the Red Wings. He never chose Guy LaFleur or Steve Yzerman as the guy who he went after.

4) A lot of the players who are getting verbally abused don't really understand it's abusive unless it's so beyond the pale that it's impossible to ignore. Hockey culture is similar to army culture where it's been ingrained that people won't play hard enough unless they've been fire-tested by their coaches. You listen to a lot of stories about coaches, and they're over-the-top - and the players laugh about them as just something they survived and had to put up with - they'll often even give that coach credit for making them the player they became - and then when they inevitably coach some team, whether pro, minor pro or just their kids rep team - often they're imitating what they saw and the cycle begins anew.

I guarantee we hear lots of stories over the next while about players who say "he was really hard on me, but it was good" while telling stories about coaches doing and saying ridiculous things. I would bet that there's a lot more nightmare stories in the juniors and minor leagues too where the coach has ultimate power over player's career - you don't play and you don't get noticed, so kids just have to swallow hard and take it.

Honestly we're only a few years removed from the realization about how bad hazing rituals were in junior hockey - and those date back forever. Gretzky talked in his first book years ago about being made to run naked through the park with the other rookies when he was with the Sault Ste Marie Greyhounds, and then getting picked up by police who were in on the joke and held naked in a prison cell... It was told as an amusing anecdote, and the kind of thing everyone had to go through then - it just wouldn't be accepted any more.


Sure. But it’s out now. They never mistreated a star player, or a late bloomer that became a star? As far as I can tell from Twitter dan carcilo had the hardest life in the history of the universe playing pro sports for a living. And mike commodore is hilarious but when I hear Babcock only played him 11 games in his final season I remember how he was the 9th dman for the Flames in their cup run and I think 11 games sounds about right. All I’m saying is one could easily mistake these complaints for sour grapes.



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mightyreasoner wrote on Tue, 26 November 2019 23:31

*Suddenly, Kovalchuk's icetime skyrockets*


Hey, Russkie isn't a racial epithet!

It's funny that no one seems to have ever picked up on the fact of all the Russians McLellan has coached, only one goalie seems to have ever been able to stay in his good graces.



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Adam wrote on Wed, 27 November 2019 08:27

mightyreasoner wrote on Tue, 26 November 2019 23:31

*Suddenly, Kovalchuk's icetime skyrockets*


Hey, Russkie isn't a racial epithet!

It's funny that no one seems to have ever picked up on the fact of all the Russians McLellan has coached, only one goalie seems to have ever been able to stay in his good graces.


For two years even!

Well to be fair, there aren't a lot of Russians he's coached. They all are mysteriously gone within about a year of him joining a team, and I don't think any have joined a team that McLellan was the head coach of except maybe Anton Slepyshev who sort of broke into the NHL under him until he ran back to the KHL. Progress?

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Since Babcock and anyone with the last name Sutter are in a bit of hot water now, I suggest Flames get MacT as their HC.


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