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Key saves were needed.

Overall goaltending has not been the reason for losses this season. Tonight might be an exception.



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g2k wrote on Mon, 04 November 2019 21:47

Key saves were needed.

Overall goaltending has not been the reason for losses this season. Tonight might be an exception.


The other teams have to stop shooting from the blocker side, high on Koskinen. It's almost like they know something...



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Meh, the term “loser point” seems to be appropriate here. The Oil should have started Smith instead of Koski tonight.


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THat was a pretty classic Oilers vs Coyotes game. Lame goal against. Refs being ridiculous. Goalie we're playing against totally in the zone. Grindy mess with our players trying to be cute all night.

At least we got a point though.



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Excellent first minute and a half, then disappeared for 30, and Koski had 2 of 3 that should have been stopped. Reffing....brutal. Given those circumstances, a point is a good outcome.

If you're a serious hockey team, you can't have the lapses in goal and from your skaters that we saw tonight.



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Kassian steals a point. Koskinen blows a shut out. Both goals against were putrid.

Reffing was atrocious, but that’s out of the players control. Arizona is still crappy TV.



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Dopey game.

I wondered how long Chaisson would last up top, that guy handles the puck like a hand grenade, barely touched the puck.
Klefbom is slowly being outclassed by Bear, I saw a lot of goofs by 77 tonight, just dopey half hearted efforts. Seeing him out there In OT makes me nervous every time.

1st goal on LD coughing up the puck, then Koski pulling a Talbot, first shot red light (FSRL)

I think a 38 year old goalie will become our de facto starter.



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I hoped they could have put 2 points away tonight. I've already given up any hope for Wednesday. Thankfully Friday is the free Bingo square.


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 Re: Review: Arizona @ Edmonton (Game #16) [message #746233 is a reply to message #746224 ]
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I understand why no one in Arizona goes to games. If that is the type of hockey I had to watch 41+ times a year, I wouldn't go either. Clog up the middle, most of the game in the neutral zone, dump it down the ice, produce very little of exciting, quality chances, hope the opposition makes a mistake.

I thought the Oilers were sleepy in the first period and a bit but dominated the second half of the game. I thought Kuemper was excellent, the guy is a freaking wall. I thought Koskinen was good except for the first goal against. Persson had a rough, rough game and he got sat because of it.

I thought the refs were terrible. The Oilers didn't lose because of the refs but the refs helped the Yotes play their game. Constant hacks, wacks, hooks and interference. Commentators kept taking about how tough sledding it was, being a battle, etc. Well if the other team is allow to hook, slash, hold, take guys down, that's what the game becomes. 3rd period, Oilers are all over the Yotes, Leon was almost horse caller tackled to the ground. You could HEAR the slashes. Looked a lot like a 90's game where it was a battle royal to get an inch. That isn't fun hockey to watch.

It was nice to see the bottom 6 guy like Haas get the goal and it was a bottom 6 goal. Traffic in front, puck to the net, deflects in. At least they got a point.

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RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 05 November 2019 08:34

I understand why no one in Arizona goes to games. If that is the type of hockey I had to watch 41+ times a year, I wouldn't go either. Clog up the middle, most of the game in the neutral zone, dump it down the ice, produce very little of exciting, quality chances, hope the opposition makes a mistake.

I thought the Oilers were sleepy in the first period and a bit but dominated the second half of the game. I thought Kuemper was excellent, the guy is a freaking wall. I thought Koskinen was good except for the first goal against. Persson had a rough, rough game and he got sat because of it.

I thought the refs were terrible. The Oilers didn't lose because of the refs but the refs helped the Yotes play their game. Constant hacks, wacks, hooks and interference. Commentators kept taking about how tough sledding it was, being a battle, etc. Well if the other team is allow to hook, slash, hold, take guys down, that's what the game becomes. 3rd period, Oilers are all over the Yotes, Leon was almost horse caller tackled to the ground. You could HEAR the slashes. Looked a lot like a 90's game where it was a battle royal to get an inch. That isn't fun hockey to watch.

It was nice to see the bottom 6 guy like Haas get the goal and it was a bottom 6 goal. Traffic in front, puck to the net, deflects in. At least they got a point.

It was actually a pretty fun time in Arizona. There were a LOT of opposing fans though. I just think it’s the commute. I’m staying downtown Phoenix and spent almost $100 USD on cabs to get to and from.



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 Re: Review: Arizona @ Edmonton (Game #16) [message #746235 is a reply to message #746234 ]
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CrudeRemarks wrote on Tue, 05 November 2019 10:21

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 05 November 2019 08:34

I understand why no one in Arizona goes to games. If that is the type of hockey I had to watch 41+ times a year, I wouldn't go either. Clog up the middle, most of the game in the neutral zone, dump it down the ice, produce very little of exciting, quality chances, hope the opposition makes a mistake.

I thought the Oilers were sleepy in the first period and a bit but dominated the second half of the game. I thought Kuemper was excellent, the guy is a freaking wall. I thought Koskinen was good except for the first goal against. Persson had a rough, rough game and he got sat because of it.

I thought the refs were terrible. The Oilers didn't lose because of the refs but the refs helped the Yotes play their game. Constant hacks, wacks, hooks and interference. Commentators kept taking about how tough sledding it was, being a battle, etc. Well if the other team is allow to hook, slash, hold, take guys down, that's what the game becomes. 3rd period, Oilers are all over the Yotes, Leon was almost horse caller tackled to the ground. You could HEAR the slashes. Looked a lot like a 90's game where it was a battle royal to get an inch. That isn't fun hockey to watch.

It was nice to see the bottom 6 guy like Haas get the goal and it was a bottom 6 goal. Traffic in front, puck to the net, deflects in. At least they got a point.

It was actually a pretty fun time in Arizona. There were a LOT of opposing fans though. I just think it’s the commute. I’m staying downtown Phoenix and spent almost $100 USD on cabs to get to and from.

I agree the set up in Arizona is great. My brother and I went down there a few years ago. We caught a Yotes game and then went to a Cardinals game. The area around the stadiums is great. You are in nice weather, bars and restaurants to go too but as you said, a pain in the ass to get too. We drove to the Yotes game and one of us didn't drink then spent like you did on a cab to get to the football game. My comment was more to the style of game they play for hockey. If it's a pain in the ass to get too the stadium plus you have to watch that clutch and grab, clog up the middle, suppress all offense style of hockey. Depending on where you live, it would be a long drive to get there plus you have watch not overly entertaining hockey.



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That game was a grind and too hard for me to watch the whole thing. Guess you could blame Koski for that first goal but other than that he was pretty good. ( well, other than the second high glove goal ) They played well and according to their game plan and pulled out a win so give them credit. Glad to get the point and it was good to see Haas get the goal that got us the point. Our team looked flat footed but probably due to the Cyotes not giving them much room to skate or make plays.


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overdue wrote on Tue, 05 November 2019 12:16

That game was a grind and too hard for me to watch the whole thing. Guess you could blame Koski for that first goal but other than that he was pretty good. ( well, other than the second high glove goal ) They played well and according to their game plan and pulled out a win so give them credit. Glad to get the point and it was good to see Haas get the goal that got us the point. Our team looked flat footed but probably due to the Cyotes not giving them much room to skate or make plays.


Yeah, you can blame Koski for 2, I think....the one under the blocker arm and the one glove high. We've seen that glove high go by him a lot since he arrived. I wonder if it's a vision thing.



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K.McC#24 wrote on Tue, 05 November 2019 12:23

overdue wrote on Tue, 05 November 2019 12:16

That game was a grind and too hard for me to watch the whole thing. Guess you could blame Koski for that first goal but other than that he was pretty good. ( well, other than the second high glove goal ) They played well and according to their game plan and pulled out a win so give them credit. Glad to get the point and it was good to see Haas get the goal that got us the point. Our team looked flat footed but probably due to the Cyotes not giving them much room to skate or make plays.


Yeah, you can blame Koski for 2, I think....the one under the blocker arm and the one glove high. We've seen that glove high go by him a lot since he arrived. I wonder if it's a vision thing.



I think everyone is being too critical. If your goalie only allows 2, not winning is on everybody else.



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K.McC#24 wrote on Tue, 05 November 2019 12:23

overdue wrote on Tue, 05 November 2019 12:16

That game was a grind and too hard for me to watch the whole thing. Guess you could blame Koski for that first goal but other than that he was pretty good. ( well, other than the second high glove goal ) They played well and according to their game plan and pulled out a win so give them credit. Glad to get the point and it was good to see Haas get the goal that got us the point. Our team looked flat footed but probably due to the Cyotes not giving them much room to skate or make plays.


Yeah, you can blame Koski for 2, I think....the one under the blocker arm and the one glove high. We've seen that glove high go by him a lot since he arrived. I wonder if it's a vision thing.



For the second goal. Soderstrom was allowed to walk into the Oilers zone, go right to the inner hash marks of the face off circle, be on his fore hard, fully load up a shot and he went top corner glove side. Based on what I could find, the dimension from goal line to the dot is 20 ft. I am not an NHL coach but I would assume if you put a white board in front of a coach and asked him to mark where the best possible place to shoot from to score a goal, where Soderstrom shot from is it. A little over 20 ft out with time to load up your shot, unless they completely miss their shot completely, I would hope NHLers would score from there pretty much every time no matter who is in goal. I don't think there is physically enough time for a goalie to react in time to a shot that close even if he has a good glove.

I am not trying to stick up for Koskinen because I know his glove hand isn't great but just because a team scores to the glove side on him doesn't mean it's a bad goal. I've seen teams score on Smith glove side with good shots and no one says a word but if ANY goal goes glove side on Koskinen, it's a crap goal.



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I think everyone is being too critical. If your goalie only allows 2, not winning is on everybody else.




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I am not trying to stick up for Koskinen because I know his glove hand isn't great but just because a team scores to the glove side on him doesn't mean it's a bad goal. I've seen teams score on Smith glove side with good shots and no one says a word but if ANY goal goes glove side on Koskinen, it's a crap goal.


You both make good points. Koski has been very good for the most part and has made some good glove saves that don't get much attention. Only allowing two should get the job done but we couldn't score. (again)



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RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 05 November 2019 12:44

K.McC#24 wrote on Tue, 05 November 2019 12:23

overdue wrote on Tue, 05 November 2019 12:16

That game was a grind and too hard for me to watch the whole thing. Guess you could blame Koski for that first goal but other than that he was pretty good. ( well, other than the second high glove goal ) They played well and according to their game plan and pulled out a win so give them credit. Glad to get the point and it was good to see Haas get the goal that got us the point. Our team looked flat footed but probably due to the Cyotes not giving them much room to skate or make plays.


Yeah, you can blame Koski for 2, I think....the one under the blocker arm and the one glove high. We've seen that glove high go by him a lot since he arrived. I wonder if it's a vision thing.



For the second goal. Soderstrom was allowed to walk into the Oilers zone, go right to the inner hash marks of the face off circle, be on his fore hard, fully load up a shot and he went top corner glove side. Based on what I could find, the dimension from goal line to the dot is 20 ft. I am not an NHL coach but I would assume if you put a white board in front of a coach and asked him to mark where the best possible place to shoot from to score a goal, where Soderstrom shot from is it. A little over 20 ft out with time to load up your shot, unless they completely miss their shot completely, I would hope NHLers would score from there pretty much every time no matter who is in goal. I don't think there is physically enough time for a goalie to react in time to a shot that close even if he has a good glove.

I am not trying to stick up for Koskinen because I know his glove hand isn't great but just because a team scores to the glove side on him doesn't mean it's a bad goal. I've seen teams score on Smith glove side with good shots and no one says a word but if ANY goal goes glove side on Koskinen, it's a crap goal.


I have faced shots as a goalie from NHL shooters. If it's from the hash marks in, there isn't enough time to make a glove save (unless the puck is shot straight into the glove or you anticipate and start moving before the puck is off the stick). To combat this, it's on the goalie to cut down the angle so that the puck hits him on the shoulder rather than going in high glove. Koskinen's problem isn't so much his glove (though I admit it's not elite). His main problem is that his lateral movement isn't great, meaning he has to stay deeper in his net and can't cut down the angles as much.



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Steve wrote on Wed, 06 November 2019 10:38

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 05 November 2019 12:44

K.McC#24 wrote on Tue, 05 November 2019 12:23

overdue wrote on Tue, 05 November 2019 12:16

That game was a grind and too hard for me to watch the whole thing. Guess you could blame Koski for that first goal but other than that he was pretty good. ( well, other than the second high glove goal ) They played well and according to their game plan and pulled out a win so give them credit. Glad to get the point and it was good to see Haas get the goal that got us the point. Our team looked flat footed but probably due to the Cyotes not giving them much room to skate or make plays.


Yeah, you can blame Koski for 2, I think....the one under the blocker arm and the one glove high. We've seen that glove high go by him a lot since he arrived. I wonder if it's a vision thing.



For the second goal. Soderstrom was allowed to walk into the Oilers zone, go right to the inner hash marks of the face off circle, be on his fore hard, fully load up a shot and he went top corner glove side. Based on what I could find, the dimension from goal line to the dot is 20 ft. I am not an NHL coach but I would assume if you put a white board in front of a coach and asked him to mark where the best possible place to shoot from to score a goal, where Soderstrom shot from is it. A little over 20 ft out with time to load up your shot, unless they completely miss their shot completely, I would hope NHLers would score from there pretty much every time no matter who is in goal. I don't think there is physically enough time for a goalie to react in time to a shot that close even if he has a good glove.

I am not trying to stick up for Koskinen because I know his glove hand isn't great but just because a team scores to the glove side on him doesn't mean it's a bad goal. I've seen teams score on Smith glove side with good shots and no one says a word but if ANY goal goes glove side on Koskinen, it's a crap goal.


I have faced shots as a goalie from NHL shooters. If it's from the hash marks in, there isn't enough time to make a glove save (unless the puck is shot straight into the glove or you anticipate and start moving before the puck is off the stick). To combat this, it's on the goalie to cut down the angle so that the puck hits him on the shoulder rather than going in high glove. Koskinen's problem isn't so much his glove (though I admit it's not elite). His main problem is that his lateral movement isn't great, meaning he has to stay deeper in his net and can't cut down the angles as much.

On that second goal, I don't think he was out of position. From 20 ft, I don't think any goalie is stopping that shot unless the shooter hits his glove. The only hope Koskinen had was Soderstrom miss the net.



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