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2019-20 Regular Season
Wednesday, October 2, 2019Vancouver 2 @ Edmonton 3Win
Saturday, November 30, 2019Vancouver @ Edmonton
Sunday, December 1, 2019Edmonton @ Vancouver
Monday, December 23, 2019Edmonton @ Vancouver
Home Record: 1-0-0       Road Record: 0-0-0       Overall Record: 1-0-0
Home / Road Goals For: 3/0 Total: 3
Home / Road Goals Against: 2/0 Total: 2

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Sunday, December 16, 2018Edmonton 2 @ Vancouver 4Loss
Thursday, December 27, 2018Vancouver 4 @ Edmonton 2Loss
Wednesday, January 16, 2019Edmonton 3 @ Vancouver 2 (OT) (SO)Win
Thursday, March 7, 2019Vancouver 2 @ Edmonton 3Win
Home Record: 1-1-0       Road Record: 1-1-0       Overall Record: 2-2-0
Home / Road Goals For: 5/5 Total: 10
Home / Road Goals Against: 6/6 Total: 12




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 Re: Pregame: Vancouver @ Edmonton (Game #1) [message #743686 is a reply to message #743685 ]
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Awwwwwww yeah!

I'm looking forward to making sweeping judgements from just one game about every player and coach.

And the Oilers seem to be decent at winning the home opener lately, so I'm predicting a satisfying win.



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 Re: Pregame: Vancouver @ Edmonton (Game #1) [message #743687 is a reply to message #743686 ]
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Right there with you! A win tonight, and you can basically etch their names in the Stanley Cup. A loss, and we are looking at another 1st overall pick.

Can't believe it is already time for hockey.



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 Re: Pregame: Vancouver @ Edmonton (Game #1) [message #743689 is a reply to message #743688 ]
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I don't think i've ever been less excited for hockey season to start. And we have iced some bad teams in previous years. Prove me wrong Oilers.


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 Re: Pregame: Vancouver @ Edmonton (Game #1) [message #743690 is a reply to message #743689 ]
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CrudeRemarks wrote on Wed, 02 October 2019 08:03

I don't think i've ever been less excited for hockey season to start. And we have iced some bad teams in previous years. Prove me wrong Oilers.

I'm happy just because we can kill the offseason and training camp thread.

I like what the Oilers are doing this year, for the first time in years I see a plan and don't mind what they're doing right now. Even though they're probably going to be not very good this year... also I really like watching hockey. Hockey is fun.



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My first game of the year. I hope the boys play well.


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 Re: Pregame: Vancouver @ Edmonton (Game #1) [message #743692 is a reply to message #743690 ]
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Ugh, 11pm puck drop for me. Might see if I can catch the 1st, but that'll be it for me I think.


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Just beat the Canucks. Handily. Please.


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NZ Oiler Fan wrote on Wed, 02 October 2019 11:47

Ugh, 11pm puck drop for me. Might see if I can catch the 1st, but that'll be it for me I think.


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 Re: Pregame: Vancouver @ Edmonton (Game #1) [message #743722 is a reply to message #743692 ]
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NZ Oiler Fan wrote on Wed, 02 October 2019 08:47

Ugh, 11pm puck drop for me. Might see if I can catch the 1st, but that'll be it for me I think.



Lucky you!! Were I to watch this game live, I'd have to do so using some trickery and do that at 3am.. I'm mad about hockey, crazy about the Oilers, but I'm not that much of a fool to stay up or get up that early, not yet this year.

Saying that I've put us down to win, and I would expect us to do it in OT.



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 Re: Pregame: Vancouver @ Edmonton (Game #1) [message #743694 is a reply to message #743690 ]
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CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 02 October 2019 08:41

CrudeRemarks wrote on Wed, 02 October 2019 08:03

I don't think i've ever been less excited for hockey season to start. And we have iced some bad teams in previous years. Prove me wrong Oilers.

I'm happy just because we can kill the offseason and training camp thread.

I like what the Oilers are doing this year, for the first time in years I see a plan and don't mind what they're doing right now. Even though they're probably going to be not very good this year... also I really like watching hockey. Hockey is fun.


Will it help if I tell you that apparently the Oilers hired Ken Holland's son just recently, adding him to the scouting staff?



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Adam wrote on Wed, 02 October 2019 09:03

CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 02 October 2019 08:41

CrudeRemarks wrote on Wed, 02 October 2019 08:03

I don't think i've ever been less excited for hockey season to start. And we have iced some bad teams in previous years. Prove me wrong Oilers.

I'm happy just because we can kill the offseason and training camp thread.

I like what the Oilers are doing this year, for the first time in years I see a plan and don't mind what they're doing right now. Even though they're probably going to be not very good this year... also I really like watching hockey. Hockey is fun.


Will it help if I tell you that apparently the Oilers hired Ken Holland's son just recently, adding him to the scouting staff?

I pulled my groin and an ab muscle late in the summer, stifling laughter hurts. Hehe. Oh Oilers.



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 Re: Pregame: Vancouver @ Edmonton (Game #1) [message #743698 is a reply to message #743696 ]
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Reminder to enter the score prediction contest and try your best to dispose of last year's smug champion.


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 Re: Pregame: Vancouver @ Edmonton (Game #1) [message #743702 is a reply to message #743696 ]
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CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 02 October 2019 09:04

Adam wrote on Wed, 02 October 2019 09:03

CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 02 October 2019 08:41

CrudeRemarks wrote on Wed, 02 October 2019 08:03

I don't think i've ever been less excited for hockey season to start. And we have iced some bad teams in previous years. Prove me wrong Oilers.

I'm happy just because we can kill the offseason and training camp thread.

I like what the Oilers are doing this year, for the first time in years I see a plan and don't mind what they're doing right now. Even though they're probably going to be not very good this year... also I really like watching hockey. Hockey is fun.


Will it help if I tell you that apparently the Oilers hired Ken Holland's son just recently, adding him to the scouting staff?

I pulled my groin and an ab muscle late in the summer, stifling laughter hurts. Hehe. Oh Oilers.


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 Re: Pregame: Vancouver @ Edmonton (Game #1) [message #743706 is a reply to message #743702 ]
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I really hope we see a defensively sound game with Tippett coaching.
I would also like to see Drai and Mcdavid apart for the majority of the time besides PP or late in the game if we need a goal. I think McDavid can drive 2 guys that don't have to be the best, even if that is Neal and X player.
Having Nuge and Drai and another player is fine.
Just really hope our bottom 6 and goalies can come through all season. Those are our biggest question marks.



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McDavid97 wrote on Wed, 02 October 2019 08:44


Just really hope our bottom 6 and goalies can come through all season. Those are our biggest question marks.


Who gets the start in net tonight?



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18/19: 232 GF / 274 GA (-42)
19/20 pace: 314 GF / 219 GA (+95)

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Goose wrote on Wed, 02 October 2019 09:05

McDavid97 wrote on Wed, 02 October 2019 08:44


Just really hope our bottom 6 and goalies can come through all season. Those are our biggest question marks.


Who gets the start in net tonight?


I'm betting M. Smith.
We'll see how all the new Euros do in live fire NHL action, will define the season.
Predict E. Bear will bump out Benning in short order.
McD goes ape-sh## on the Canucks tonight!



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I could not agree with this statement more! I have never felt more comfortable with the direction. For once they just don't seem to be making panic decisions or decisions for the sake of it. For instance; KH said he would like another top 6, top 4 d but did he go overpay and acquire someone to fit those needs? No, the opportunity to make a solid move for those needs did not present itself - rather he will patiently for a possible trade - or next summer when cap space will be present. He also did not allow his hand to be forced with the spoiled JP foolishness. I truly think this team will fight for a wildcard spot (barring major injuries). But, more then that I am very pleased with the long term plan (for once)


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Last season opener was a snooze fest. Hope this one is better. I don’t know how this season will turnout, too many wildcards, which is often a bad sign.


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CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 02 October 2019 08:41

CrudeRemarks wrote on Wed, 02 October 2019 08:03

I don't think i've ever been less excited for hockey season to start. And we have iced some bad teams in previous years. Prove me wrong Oilers.

I'm happy just because we can kill the offseason and training camp thread.

I like what the Oilers are doing this year, for the first time in years I see a plan and don't mind what they're doing right now. Even though they're probably going to be not very good this year... also I really like watching hockey. Hockey is fun.


I am with you. Always excited for the start of a new season. I try to enjoy the talent we DO have like McDavid and Drai.

As with many years past I am not hopeful this team is good enough to make the playoffs. To many JAG's.
For the first time in a while though I do have hope that there is a plan, I like some of the moves I have seen thus far to further that plan, and actually think there will be progress this season.

For players new to the team I am going to try and wait 7 or 8 games before passing judgment. For those that were here at least last season or longer I will try to wait until the end of the first or my third bourbon, whichever comes first.



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CrudeRemarks wrote on Wed, 02 October 2019 08:03

I don't think i've ever been less excited for hockey season to start. And we have iced some bad teams in previous years. Prove me wrong Oilers.


Same here. And first season opener I won't be watching either, and not because I can't, but because I choose not to. I just don't care anymore. Well, at least not enough to watch. Also, I strongly dislike Dave Tippett.



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philly boy wrote on Wed, 02 October 2019 11:08

CrudeRemarks wrote on Wed, 02 October 2019 08:03

I don't think i've ever been less excited for hockey season to start. And we have iced some bad teams in previous years. Prove me wrong Oilers.


Same here. And first season opener I won't be watching either, and not because I can't, but because I choose not to. I just don't care anymore. Well, at least not enough to watch. Also, I strongly dislike Dave Tippett.

Well it's interesting that the radio (TSN 1260) keeps talking about this game still having plenty of tickets available. I kind of hate how ticketmaster mixes up primary and secondary tickets now, but whatever. Tickets as low as $62 (US) on Stubhub.



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philly boy wrote on Wed, 02 October 2019 11:08

CrudeRemarks wrote on Wed, 02 October 2019 08:03

I don't think i've ever been less excited for hockey season to start. And we have iced some bad teams in previous years. Prove me wrong Oilers.


Same here. And first season opener I won't be watching either, and not because I can't, but because I choose not to. I just don't care anymore. Well, at least not enough to watch. Also, I strongly dislike Dave Tippett.

Interesting. Why don’t you like Tippett? I’m definitely in “show me” mode but don’t have negative feelings about the coach yet.



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CrudeRemarks wrote on Wed, 02 October 2019 08:03

I don't think i've ever been less excited for hockey season to start. And we have iced some bad teams in previous years. Prove me wrong Oilers.


I'm the same. I'm actually surprised by the apathy.

I'll PVR it and watch it. But I just don't actually care that much.



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I still find it hard to believe just how bad our depth performed last year. Scoring was up around the league and we still manage to get a record amount of futility. It must go beyond just the personnel. There must have been a firm belief among the depth players that the game plan assumed they were completely useless and everyone just needs to sit back and watch the McDavid Drai and nuge show.



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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 02 October 2019 12:34


Ryan Rishaug @TSNRyanRishaug
Tippett on McDavid-Draisaitl together: 'It set a 40-year record for the rest of the forwards not scoring'


I still find it hard to believe just how bad our depth performed last year. Scoring was up around the league and we still manage to get a record amount of futility. It must go beyond just the personnel. There must have been a firm belief among the depth players that the game plan assumed they were completely useless and everyone just needs to sit back and watch the McDavid Drai and nuge show.

That's why I got into it with Adam yesterday. The Oilers got 43 goals from their bottom 6. A 40 yr low. They had a player set an NHL record for shots taken without a goal. There is probably a good chance that Rieders record will never be broken. So you don't have to even be overly positive on the team to realize that the chances of the Oilers bottom 6 scoring that low this season is extremely unlikely.



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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 02 October 2019 11:34


Ryan Rishaug @TSNRyanRishaug
Tippett on McDavid-Draisaitl together: 'It set a 40-year record for the rest of the forwards not scoring'


I still find it hard to believe just how bad our depth performed last year. Scoring was up around the league and we still manage to get a record amount of futility. It must go beyond just the personnel. There must have been a firm belief among the depth players that the game plan assumed they were completely useless and everyone just needs to sit back and watch the McDavid Drai and nuge show.


My fear is that not much has really changed in that regard, other than Draisaitl playing away from McDavid on the 2nd line.

Quote:

Tippett discussed the bottom six, and specifically the third line centre.

“I had talked about trying JJ (Jujhar Khaira) there a bit, but that might change a bit with the addition of Sheahan. We have a lot of guys competing for that spot, but I don’t look at a number three centre exactly. I see it as we have a top six and a bottom six. Our bottom two lines might be geared a bit differently. One is a maybe a little heavier line, and the other a quicker line with the ability to score. Both full of special teams players, guys who will kill penalties. It always looks good on paper in the summer, and then you figure out the pieces and where they fit though camp.”


So the expectation is that at least one of the bottom six lines won't really score, and everyone should be able to kill penalties. mightyreasoner brought this up before, but you don't really need 8 penalty killers. Couple that with waiving Gagner and not picking up anyone off waivers is not an indication, to me at least, that the bottom 6's primary responsibility will be to score.

https://oilersnation.com/2019/09/09/dave-tippett-outlines-pa rts-of-his-plan-for-edmonton-oilers/

And even more concerning is that Tippett's record on the penalty kill in Arizona was not good:

From thesuperfan.ca:

Quote:

But I remain skeptical, mainly because Dave Tippett and Jim Playfair didn’t exactly have much success shorthanded in Arizona.

Below is a summary of the Coyotes penalty kill, including goals, Fenwick and shots against per hour. Included is the team’s ranking in the league.

Season Goals against/60 Fenwick Against/60 Shots against/60
2009/10 5.66 – 6th 77.51 – 24th 54.51 – 19th
2010/11 8.12 – 26th 89.35 – 30th 63.84 – 30th
2011/12 5.2 – 8th 79.6 – 29th 55.62 – 27th
2012/13 7.53 – 22nd 70.24 – 20th 49.63 – 19th
2013/14 7.73 – 27th 77.97 – 22nd 57.36 – 21st
2014/15 8.42 – 29th 86.39 – 30th 62.69 – 30th
2015/16 8.09 – 28th 71.9 – 10th 50.79 – 12th
2016/17 8.29 – 26th 80.98 – 27th 53.84 – 16th


https://thesuperfan.ca/

edit: apologies for the table, I can't get it to format very well. Go read the piece, it's informative

[Updated on: Wed, 02 October 2019 12:54]


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18/19: 232 GF / 274 GA (-42)
19/20 pace: 314 GF / 219 GA (+95)

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My season expectations: minimal.

But I am curious to watch Holland and Tippett forge this team into a better one over time.

And leave the door open to good surprises.

Let's Go Oilers!



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Gregor just mentioned this on his show. Haas found out he was going to be in the starting line up yesterday. He called his parents yesterday to tell them. They plus his brother, jumped on a flight. Are in the air right now and are supposed to land later this afternoon.

I don't know if he will work out but that is pretty cool. I can't imagine what it would be like to have your biggest dream come true like that.



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Goose wrote on Wed, 02 October 2019 12:52

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 02 October 2019 11:34


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Tippett on McDavid-Draisaitl together: 'It set a 40-year record for the rest of the forwards not scoring'


I still find it hard to believe just how bad our depth performed last year. Scoring was up around the league and we still manage to get a record amount of futility. It must go beyond just the personnel. There must have been a firm belief among the depth players that the game plan assumed they were completely useless and everyone just needs to sit back and watch the McDavid Drai and nuge show.


My fear is that not much has really changed in that regard, other than Draisaitl playing away from McDavid on the 2nd line.

Quote:

Tippett discussed the bottom six, and specifically the third line centre.

“I had talked about trying JJ (Jujhar Khaira) there a bit, but that might change a bit with the addition of Sheahan. We have a lot of guys competing for that spot, but I don’t look at a number three centre exactly. I see it as we have a top six and a bottom six. Our bottom two lines might be geared a bit differently. One is a maybe a little heavier line, and the other a quicker line with the ability to score. Both full of special teams players, guys who will kill penalties. It always looks good on paper in the summer, and then you figure out the pieces and where they fit though camp.”


So the expectation is that at least one of the bottom six lines won't really score, and everyone should be able to kill penalties. mightyreasoner brought this up before, but you don't really need 8 penalty killers. Couple that with waiving Gagner and not picking up anyone off waivers is not an indication, to me at least, that the bottom 6's primary responsibility will be to score.

https://oilersnation.com/2019/09/09/dave-tippett-outlines-pa rts-of-his-plan-for-edmonton-oilers/

And even more concerning is that Tippett's record on the penalty kill in Arizona was not good:

From thesuperfan.ca:

Quote:

But I remain skeptical, mainly because Dave Tippett and Jim Playfair didn’t exactly have much success shorthanded in Arizona.

Below is a summary of the Coyotes penalty kill, including goals, Fenwick and shots against per hour. Included is the team’s ranking in the league.

Season Goals against/60 Fenwick Against/60 Shots against/60
2009/10 5.66 – 6th 77.51 – 24th 54.51 – 19th
2010/11 8.12 – 26th 89.35 – 30th 63.84 – 30th
2011/12 5.2 – 8th 79.6 – 29th 55.62 – 27th
2012/13 7.53 – 22nd 70.24 – 20th 49.63 – 19th
2013/14 7.73 – 27th 77.97 – 22nd 57.36 – 21st
2014/15 8.42 – 29th 86.39 – 30th 62.69 – 30th
2015/16 8.09 – 28th 71.9 – 10th 50.79 – 12th
2016/17 8.29 – 26th 80.98 – 27th 53.84 – 16th


https://thesuperfan.ca/

edit: apologies for the table, I can't get it to format very well. Go read the piece, it's informative


Those PK stats are scary. The org has been consistent since before Holland and Tippett were here that bottom 6 not sucking and PK were their top concerns, and that carried through all the way through to Tippett and Holland’s latest interviews. Sadly, a not historically bad bottom 6 probably only means a handful of extra goals, and the PK is wildly unpredictable, especially with the mystery we have in net.

Ooooh well, this is just life as an Oilers fan.


Side note, someone on HF claims that after cancelling their season tickets, the Oilers called him up this last week and offered him free tickets for tonight as long as he agreed to meet with them so they can try to convince him to buy season tickets again. Basically time share sales techniques are being used now by the Oilers hehe. Saw on twitter that tonights game still isn’t sold out. Yikes.



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Ryan Rishaug @TSNRyanRishaug
Tippett on McDavid-Draisaitl together: 'It set a 40-year record for the rest of the forwards not scoring'


I still find it hard to believe just how bad our depth performed last year. Scoring was up around the league and we still manage to get a record amount of futility. It must go beyond just the personnel. There must have been a firm belief among the depth players that the game plan assumed they were completely useless and everyone just needs to sit back and watch the McDavid Drai and nuge show.


This is a terrible take by Tippett. The rest of the forwards didn't not score because McDavid and Draisaitl were together, they didn't score because we employed an AHL-level group on lines 3 and 4 and traded away the couple guys who had showed any ability beyond that in Strome and Caggiula.

Nuge scored a career high number of points, playing mostly without 97 and 29 and still almost no one else got any goals.

Playing Nuge with Draisaitl instead of McDavid and Draisaitl isn't going to increase the number of goals from the bottom half the roster.

The fact of the matter is that the Oilers were 20+ goals worse than 29 other teams in the NHL for depth scoring so the performance has to be much MUCH better just to be mediocre.



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Adam wrote on Wed, 02 October 2019 15:01

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 02 October 2019 12:34


Ryan Rishaug @TSNRyanRishaug
Tippett on McDavid-Draisaitl together: 'It set a 40-year record for the rest of the forwards not scoring'


I still find it hard to believe just how bad our depth performed last year. Scoring was up around the league and we still manage to get a record amount of futility. It must go beyond just the personnel. There must have been a firm belief among the depth players that the game plan assumed they were completely useless and everyone just needs to sit back and watch the McDavid Drai and nuge show.


This is a terrible take by Tippett. The rest of the forwards didn't not score because McDavid and Draisaitl were together, they didn't score because we employed an AHL-level group on lines 3 and 4 and traded away the couple guys who had showed any ability beyond that in Strome and Caggiula.

Nuge scored a career high number of points, playing mostly without 97 and 29 and still almost no one else got any goals.

Playing Nuge with Draisaitl instead of McDavid and Draisaitl isn't going to increase the number of goals from the bottom half the roster.

The fact of the matter is that the Oilers were 20+ goals worse than 29 other teams in the NHL for depth scoring so the performance has to be much MUCH better just to be mediocre.

Already carving up the coach and they haven't even played a game yet.



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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 02 October 2019 15:11

Adam wrote on Wed, 02 October 2019 15:01

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 02 October 2019 12:34


Ryan Rishaug @TSNRyanRishaug
Tippett on McDavid-Draisaitl together: 'It set a 40-year record for the rest of the forwards not scoring'


I still find it hard to believe just how bad our depth performed last year. Scoring was up around the league and we still manage to get a record amount of futility. It must go beyond just the personnel. There must have been a firm belief among the depth players that the game plan assumed they were completely useless and everyone just needs to sit back and watch the McDavid Drai and nuge show.


This is a terrible take by Tippett. The rest of the forwards didn't not score because McDavid and Draisaitl were together, they didn't score because we employed an AHL-level group on lines 3 and 4 and traded away the couple guys who had showed any ability beyond that in Strome and Caggiula.

Nuge scored a career high number of points, playing mostly without 97 and 29 and still almost no one else got any goals.

Playing Nuge with Draisaitl instead of McDavid and Draisaitl isn't going to increase the number of goals from the bottom half the roster.

The fact of the matter is that the Oilers were 20+ goals worse than 29 other teams in the NHL for depth scoring so the performance has to be much MUCH better just to be mediocre.

Already carving up the coach and they haven't even played a game yet.

So? What's wrong with carving the coach?



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CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 02 October 2019 15:13

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 02 October 2019 15:11

Adam wrote on Wed, 02 October 2019 15:01

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 02 October 2019 12:34


Ryan Rishaug @TSNRyanRishaug
Tippett on McDavid-Draisaitl together: 'It set a 40-year record for the rest of the forwards not scoring'


I still find it hard to believe just how bad our depth performed last year. Scoring was up around the league and we still manage to get a record amount of futility. It must go beyond just the personnel. There must have been a firm belief among the depth players that the game plan assumed they were completely useless and everyone just needs to sit back and watch the McDavid Drai and nuge show.


This is a terrible take by Tippett. The rest of the forwards didn't not score because McDavid and Draisaitl were together, they didn't score because we employed an AHL-level group on lines 3 and 4 and traded away the couple guys who had showed any ability beyond that in Strome and Caggiula.

Nuge scored a career high number of points, playing mostly without 97 and 29 and still almost no one else got any goals.

Playing Nuge with Draisaitl instead of McDavid and Draisaitl isn't going to increase the number of goals from the bottom half the roster.

The fact of the matter is that the Oilers were 20+ goals worse than 29 other teams in the NHL for depth scoring so the performance has to be much MUCH better just to be mediocre.

Already carving up the coach and they haven't even played a game yet.

So? What's wrong with carving the coach?


He hasn't done anything except fill out a line up card but I guess if carving the coach up game 1 gets you off, you go for it.



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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 02 October 2019 15:18

CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 02 October 2019 15:13

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 02 October 2019 15:11

Adam wrote on Wed, 02 October 2019 15:01

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 02 October 2019 12:34


Ryan Rishaug @TSNRyanRishaug
Tippett on McDavid-Draisaitl together: 'It set a 40-year record for the rest of the forwards not scoring'


I still find it hard to believe just how bad our depth performed last year. Scoring was up around the league and we still manage to get a record amount of futility. It must go beyond just the personnel. There must have been a firm belief among the depth players that the game plan assumed they were completely useless and everyone just needs to sit back and watch the McDavid Drai and nuge show.


This is a terrible take by Tippett. The rest of the forwards didn't not score because McDavid and Draisaitl were together, they didn't score because we employed an AHL-level group on lines 3 and 4 and traded away the couple guys who had showed any ability beyond that in Strome and Caggiula.

Nuge scored a career high number of points, playing mostly without 97 and 29 and still almost no one else got any goals.

Playing Nuge with Draisaitl instead of McDavid and Draisaitl isn't going to increase the number of goals from the bottom half the roster.

The fact of the matter is that the Oilers were 20+ goals worse than 29 other teams in the NHL for depth scoring so the performance has to be much MUCH better just to be mediocre.

Already carving up the coach and they haven't even played a game yet.

So? What's wrong with carving the coach?


He hasn't done anything except fill out a line up card but I guess if carving the coach up game 1 gets you off, you go for it.

I'm reasonably sure Adam isn't getting off from carving the coach. I think he may be listening to what the coach is saying, disagreeing with the message, and providing a reasonable explanation why. Which, I believe, is allowed... even before game 1.

So what's with you carving Adam before game 1? He's as likely to be correct as the coach at this point. Maybe give him a chance before ripping a fellow poster.



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CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 02 October 2019 15:13

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 02 October 2019 15:11

Adam wrote on Wed, 02 October 2019 15:01

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 02 October 2019 12:34


Ryan Rishaug @TSNRyanRishaug
Tippett on McDavid-Draisaitl together: 'It set a 40-year record for the rest of the forwards not scoring'


I still find it hard to believe just how bad our depth performed last year. Scoring was up around the league and we still manage to get a record amount of futility. It must go beyond just the personnel. There must have been a firm belief among the depth players that the game plan assumed they were completely useless and everyone just needs to sit back and watch the McDavid Drai and nuge show.


This is a terrible take by Tippett. The rest of the forwards didn't not score because McDavid and Draisaitl were together, they didn't score because we employed an AHL-level group on lines 3 and 4 and traded away the couple guys who had showed any ability beyond that in Strome and Caggiula.

Nuge scored a career high number of points, playing mostly without 97 and 29 and still almost no one else got any goals.

Playing Nuge with Draisaitl instead of McDavid and Draisaitl isn't going to increase the number of goals from the bottom half the roster.

The fact of the matter is that the Oilers were 20+ goals worse than 29 other teams in the NHL for depth scoring so the performance has to be much MUCH better just to be mediocre.

Already carving up the coach and they haven't even played a game yet.

So? What's wrong with carving the coach?



Are we not allowed to point out when the coach says something dumb any more?!?! Crap. I didn't realize the ToS had changed in here...



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Adam wrote on Wed, 02 October 2019 15:22

CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 02 October 2019 15:13

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 02 October 2019 15:11

Adam wrote on Wed, 02 October 2019 15:01

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 02 October 2019 12:34


Ryan Rishaug @TSNRyanRishaug
Tippett on McDavid-Draisaitl together: 'It set a 40-year record for the rest of the forwards not scoring'


I still find it hard to believe just how bad our depth performed last year. Scoring was up around the league and we still manage to get a record amount of futility. It must go beyond just the personnel. There must have been a firm belief among the depth players that the game plan assumed they were completely useless and everyone just needs to sit back and watch the McDavid Drai and nuge show.


This is a terrible take by Tippett. The rest of the forwards didn't not score because McDavid and Draisaitl were together, they didn't score because we employed an AHL-level group on lines 3 and 4 and traded away the couple guys who had showed any ability beyond that in Strome and Caggiula.

Nuge scored a career high number of points, playing mostly without 97 and 29 and still almost no one else got any goals.

Playing Nuge with Draisaitl instead of McDavid and Draisaitl isn't going to increase the number of goals from the bottom half the roster.

The fact of the matter is that the Oilers were 20+ goals worse than 29 other teams in the NHL for depth scoring so the performance has to be much MUCH better just to be mediocre.

Already carving up the coach and they haven't even played a game yet.

So? What's wrong with carving the coach?



Are we not allowed to point out when the coach says something dumb any more?!?! Crap. I didn't realize the ToS had changed in here...


Sure go right ahead.

How come you don't work for the Oilers? Clearly you know everything.



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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 02 October 2019 15:24


How come you don't work for the Oilers? Clearly you know everything.


You've posted here long enough to know this to be true.

As for your question, well, I'm not related to any of the Oilers brass of former greats or other management types.



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Adam wrote on Wed, 02 October 2019 15:22

CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 02 October 2019 15:13

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 02 October 2019 15:11

Adam wrote on Wed, 02 October 2019 15:01

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 02 October 2019 12:34


Ryan Rishaug @TSNRyanRishaug
Tippett on McDavid-Draisaitl together: 'It set a 40-year record for the rest of the forwards not scoring'


I still find it hard to believe just how bad our depth performed last year. Scoring was up around the league and we still manage to get a record amount of futility. It must go beyond just the personnel. There must have been a firm belief among the depth players that the game plan assumed they were completely useless and everyone just needs to sit back and watch the McDavid Drai and nuge show.


This is a terrible take by Tippett. The rest of the forwards didn't not score because McDavid and Draisaitl were together, they didn't score because we employed an AHL-level group on lines 3 and 4 and traded away the couple guys who had showed any ability beyond that in Strome and Caggiula.

Nuge scored a career high number of points, playing mostly without 97 and 29 and still almost no one else got any goals.

Playing Nuge with Draisaitl instead of McDavid and Draisaitl isn't going to increase the number of goals from the bottom half the roster.

The fact of the matter is that the Oilers were 20+ goals worse than 29 other teams in the NHL for depth scoring so the performance has to be much MUCH better just to be mediocre.

Already carving up the coach and they haven't even played a game yet.

So? What's wrong with carving the coach?



Are we not allowed to point out when the coach says something dumb any more?!?! Crap. I didn't realize the ToS had changed in here...


It's like carving a Prime Minister (or President - lol) before he's had a chance to govern for even a day. Sometimes we just know what's going to happen, make accurate predications that everyone gets mad at us for, then forgets when we're proven correct.



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