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Re: Oilers 2019 Training Camp Roster [message #743336 is a reply to message #743335 ]	Thu, 26 September 2019 09:09

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RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 26 September 2019 09:02

CrudeRemarks wrote on Thu, 26 September 2019 08:43

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 26 September 2019 08:34

inverno76 wrote on Wed, 25 September 2019 20:32

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 25 September 2019 12:51

smyth260 wrote on Wed, 25 September 2019 12:32

I think the worst decision was buying out Sekera.

If they really thought this season was a loss, then why were they in a rush to have 4 years of dead cap? So they could acquire Granlund and Sheahan? Not a lot of foresight there I don't think.

I would have rather had Sekera back this year, and take your slim chances that he can push Russell out of the top 4. Buy him out next summer if need be, and save yourself 2 years of dead cap.

Remember Benoit Pouliot? The Oilers will still be paying for that buyout until the end of next season.

Question for you. You didn't like the Sekera buyout. So what would you have done with him?

He's 33 yrs old and was making 5.5 mill. He blew out the worst ligament in his knee that you can. Came back and was lousy when he came back. To be expected. Then he follows it up and blows out his Achilles. The NHL is moving towards a speed game and skating. He was never a good skater, he relied on his smarts. So he blows out his knee 1 year, then blows out his Achilles the next year. So basically doing the absolute worst thing for your skating, not to mention he's on the wrong side of 30.

The Oilers need puck moving and skating in their defense. They need more right shots and they need a right shot for the top 4. Sekera can pass but he can't skate anymore and he's not a right shot. He played OK last year towards the end of the season in limited mins, against weak competition. So in a 3rd pairing, he could probably play. On Dallas he's going to be in their 3rd pairing. So if the Oilers kept him, where exactly would you play him? They already have Russell making 4 mill as a left shot 3rd pairing.

I agree buying out Sekera wasn't ideal but they tried to trade him for months. Apparently, they even were prepared to eat 50% of his salary to get rid of him yet not a single team would do it. WHY? Because he's only worth 1.5 mill which is what he makes. So the only alternative was to either buy him out or keep him. So would your preference been to have both Russell and Sekera in the Oilers 3rd pairing? Seriously?

I would’ve tried to move out Russell and kept Sekera too. If Sekera re-injured himself he’s likely done and would be a LTIR case. I’d be comfortable with any of the kids replacing him in the bottom pair in sheltered minutes. A healthy Sekera would bring leadership and a good first pass in the bottom pairing with potential to move up if he was playing well.

Russell is dog crap. I don’t like him as a player and never have.

Best case scenario Sek would’ve been a 12-16 dman who could move the puck and be a leader a 4/5/6 dman. Worst case scenario he sucked and we are his deal for the year. I’m also at the belief of Sekera’s play slipped so much that he was a press box popcorn eater that he would’ve went the Brodziak route and slid into retirement while collecting his full salary on LTIR.

You don't think they tried to make trades for some of these guys? I am not sticking up for the sins of Oilers management, there is no way I can justify some of the things the previous guys did. But I just roll my eyes when I see people post "they should have traded, this guy or that guy". Do people actually think they didn't try that? To my surprise, the GM admitted he tried to trade Sekera for months and was even willing to eat 50%. Nobody wanted him.

We can all go down the list of players we all think are crap. Russell included. We can all complain about Russell's contract and say it's too much for where he is at in his career. But if we can see what he is and realize he makes too much for what he is, do people seriously think other GM's don't see that too? We are supposed to be an educated fan base here. I want guys like Russell and Gagner and whoever else we all think aren't very good or are overpaid gone just as much as the rest of you do. But someone has to actually be willing to take these guys from the Oilers. What amazes me Is how many people don't seem to understand that.
I bet the Oilers could have traded Russell but given he has 2 years left at a 4 mill cap hit and given this year he is actually paid 4 mill in real dollars, it wasn't an easy trade to make. I bet they could have traded Russell IF they included another asset or 2. Hamstringing your team just to move a guy so we fans feel better about it would be stupid.

I just don't think the Oilers would have had a trade for a Sekera or Russell sitting in front of them where they don't have to keep a ton of salary and they don't have to give up other assets to get it done and the Oilers said... NAH, let's just buy him out. If they could have got ANYTHING that didn't require them to hurt themselves worse than having a couple mill on the cap, I am sure they would have taken it. I get the negativity many fans have for the team especially the organization but come on guys.

Being unable to trade an asset is just as big an indictment of management as any of the other issues.

I agree. But it's not the current GM's fault. He has to deal with the hand he was left and the hand is crap. If you are left with players no one else wants including the fan base they play for, fans can't whine about the team and the organization not making it better then turn around and whine about the moves or actions they did to try and make it better.

That's what I at times find baffling about this fan base that is supposed to be knowledge. We love our team and want desperately for it to be better. So the fans complain about the team being lousy and wanting them to make it better but then they turn around and whine about what the team does to try to do that.
Here is a typical exchange amongst Oilers fans in my opinion.
"This player makes too much money and he sucks. He's not even an NHLer. He's a anchor. God management sucks. We need to get rid of this guy. As long as we have this guy, we will suck."
"Why haven't they traded this guy who I think is way overpaid, shouldn't be in the league and just loses us games yet!! Why is he still here. God our GM sucks!!"
"What do you mean no one wants this guy!! Yes he's a horrible player and overpaid but someone must want them. We have a stupid GM, so there has to be another stupid GM."
"That's all you could get for this player who I think is grossly overpaid, would never trade for myself and is the worst player in the league. Why does our GM suck so bad."
"You can't trade this guy or that guy to improve our depth. You can't buyout this untradeable guy to get some cap space."
"Our team lacks talent so we need to get better right now. This team has no tradeable extra assets. You can't trade that guy because he's good. We have no cap space right now. Why the hell hasn't the GM made any moves yet? I don't know how they will make moves but he needs to make mores RIGHT NOW!! "

Sure but that’s every fan base. And fans are individual people so of course there are varying opinions. Did you know some people still think trading Taylor Hall was a good thing? The only thing we can all agree on is that Lucic is the worst player Calgary added to their roster this year. Including Reider, Talbot and Gryba.

You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes, you just might find, you can get a lottery pick.