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I'm curious what the team does with Nurse. I know that the prevailing wisdom is that he's a core piece, but here's the left side depth chart for the Oilers right now:

Klefbom
Nurse
Russell
Jones
Lagesson
Samurokov
Broberg
Manning
Lowe

That's four youngsters pushing up, all who look to have a decent chance to be NHLers. I don't want to make a move too early like the Oilers usually do - see Gilbert, Petry, etc. - but if you're looking at almost $7MM a season for Nurse, and a couple of those guys have cracked the roster, with a couple more on the horizon? How long do you really want to commit to #25? Especially when Klefbom is better and cheaper, so Nurse is really the second pairing guy. If you think any of those guys are likely better than Nurse in the next 2-3 years, then you can't commit to him long-term at those dollars and his money is maybe better off spent fixing the forwards - or re-signing Nugent-Hopkins to an extension.



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Adam wrote on Fri, 06 September 2019 09:40

I'm curious what the team does with Nurse. I know that the prevailing wisdom is that he's a core piece, but here's the left side depth chart for the Oilers right now:

Klefbom
Nurse
Russell
Jones
Lagesson
Samurokov
Broberg
Manning
Lowe

That's four youngsters pushing up, all who look to have a decent chance to be NHLers. I don't want to make a move too early like the Oilers usually do - see Gilbert, Petry, etc. - but if you're looking at almost $7MM a season for Nurse, and a couple of those guys have cracked the roster, with a couple more on the horizon? How long do you really want to commit to #25? Especially when Klefbom is better and cheaper, so Nurse is really the second pairing guy. If you think any of those guys are likely better than Nurse in the next 2-3 years, then you can't commit to him long-term at those dollars and his money is maybe better off spent fixing the forwards - or re-signing Nugent-Hopkins to an extension.



If Nurse has another good season, I think they would move Klef before Nurse. Nurse is too popular in the room and with the org. And he is going to convince Hall to come back too, as per Garfield.



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Kr55 wrote on Fri, 06 September 2019 09:50

Adam wrote on Fri, 06 September 2019 09:40

I'm curious what the team does with Nurse. I know that the prevailing wisdom is that he's a core piece, but here's the left side depth chart for the Oilers right now:

Klefbom
Nurse
Russell
Jones
Lagesson
Samurokov
Broberg
Manning
Lowe

That's four youngsters pushing up, all who look to have a decent chance to be NHLers. I don't want to make a move too early like the Oilers usually do - see Gilbert, Petry, etc. - but if you're looking at almost $7MM a season for Nurse, and a couple of those guys have cracked the roster, with a couple more on the horizon? How long do you really want to commit to #25? Especially when Klefbom is better and cheaper, so Nurse is really the second pairing guy. If you think any of those guys are likely better than Nurse in the next 2-3 years, then you can't commit to him long-term at those dollars and his money is maybe better off spent fixing the forwards - or re-signing Nugent-Hopkins to an extension.



If Nurse has another good season, I think they would move Klef before Nurse. Nurse is too popular in the room and with the org. And he is going to convince Hall to come back too, as per Garfield.


It would not surprise me, but it would be foolish.

Klefbom, after this season, will have 3 more years at $4.167MM. Even if Nurse were to score an extra 5 points a season (and I don't expect him to), paying him $2.5 to $3.0MM more than Klefbom and locking in long-term is likely a mistake. You can add a pretty decent depth player for that kind of money. Even if you thought Nurse was better than Klefbom (which I think hard to see any evidence for), Klefbom + $2.5MM (assuming the team spends that) vs Nurse is a clear win for 77+.

And while Nurse is more physical, I don't think he is any better as a defensive defenceman. There's some warts in his game. It will be interesting to see how it goes this year with Tippett's plan to start with Nurse/Larsson as a defensive shutdown pair. I don't see either of them as a particularly strong puck-mover, although Nurse does skate the puck well.

Honestly, it wouldn't surprise me at all to see the Oilers sign Nurse for $7MM and trade away Klefbom instead, because that's the kind of thing the Oilers do, but it's hard to see how that wouldn't be a mistake.



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 Re: Nurse's Future [message #742414 is a reply to message #742413 ]
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Adam wrote on Fri, 06 September 2019 10:41

Kr55 wrote on Fri, 06 September 2019 09:50

Adam wrote on Fri, 06 September 2019 09:40

I'm curious what the team does with Nurse. I know that the prevailing wisdom is that he's a core piece, but here's the left side depth chart for the Oilers right now:

Klefbom
Nurse
Russell
Jones
Lagesson
Samurokov
Broberg
Manning
Lowe

That's four youngsters pushing up, all who look to have a decent chance to be NHLers. I don't want to make a move too early like the Oilers usually do - see Gilbert, Petry, etc. - but if you're looking at almost $7MM a season for Nurse, and a couple of those guys have cracked the roster, with a couple more on the horizon? How long do you really want to commit to #25? Especially when Klefbom is better and cheaper, so Nurse is really the second pairing guy. If you think any of those guys are likely better than Nurse in the next 2-3 years, then you can't commit to him long-term at those dollars and his money is maybe better off spent fixing the forwards - or re-signing Nugent-Hopkins to an extension.



If Nurse has another good season, I think they would move Klef before Nurse. Nurse is too popular in the room and with the org. And he is going to convince Hall to come back too, as per Garfield.


It would not surprise me, but it would be foolish.

Klefbom, after this season, will have 3 more years at $4.167MM. Even if Nurse were to score an extra 5 points a season (and I don't expect him to), paying him $2.5 to $3.0MM more than Klefbom and locking in long-term is likely a mistake. You can add a pretty decent depth player for that kind of money. Even if you thought Nurse was better than Klefbom (which I think hard to see any evidence for), Klefbom + $2.5MM (assuming the team spends that) vs Nurse is a clear win for 77+.

And while Nurse is more physical, I don't think he is any better as a defensive defenceman. There's some warts in his game. It will be interesting to see how it goes this year with Tippett's plan to start with Nurse/Larsson as a defensive shutdown pair. I don't see either of them as a particularly strong puck-mover, although Nurse does skate the puck well.

Honestly, it wouldn't surprise me at all to see the Oilers sign Nurse for $7MM and trade away Klefbom instead, because that's the kind of thing the Oilers do, but it's hard to see how that wouldn't be a mistake.


I don't think they trade Klef right away if they extend Nurse. Maybe in his last season where Klef may be looking at 7+ on an extension to stay an Oiler. Lucky we signed Klef before he really did much in the NHL, one of Chia's few moves that worked out. We can keep both for at least another year, and find ways to get lefties playing on the right side, which I think Broberg has said he's done.

That said, the Nurse/Larsson combo, based on historical stats, does have potential to drive down Nurses's next contract price :)



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Adam wrote on Fri, 06 September 2019 09:40

I'm curious what the team does with Nurse. I know that the prevailing wisdom is that he's a core piece, but here's the left side depth chart for the Oilers right now:

Klefbom
Nurse
Russell
Jones
Lagesson
Samurokov
Broberg
Manning
Lowe

That's four youngsters pushing up, all who look to have a decent chance to be NHLers. I don't want to make a move too early like the Oilers usually do - see Gilbert, Petry, etc. - but if you're looking at almost $7MM a season for Nurse, and a couple of those guys have cracked the roster, with a couple more on the horizon? How long do you really want to commit to #25? Especially when Klefbom is better and cheaper, so Nurse is really the second pairing guy. If you think any of those guys are likely better than Nurse in the next 2-3 years, then you can't commit to him long-term at those dollars and his money is maybe better off spent fixing the forwards - or re-signing Nugent-Hopkins to an extension.



I think I'd try to keep Nurse AND Klefbom for as long as I can. With Seattle expansion, the team is likely to lose one of Bear or Jones, and Klefbom's health is a MAJOR concern for me. It's a long fall from Klefbom on your first pairing to Russell on your first pairing. It's less of a fall from Klefbom to Nurse (still a fall).

Plus, Nurse has shown an ability to put up points.

$7M isn't a reach for Nurse, not now. That's pretty close to where the market has shifted for similar defensemen, and we may even see that rise depending on what happens with Werenski, Provorov, and McEvoy in the coming weeks. The Oilers probably shouldn't have bridged him, but they painted themselves into a corner and it will cost them a little more now; they won't have the pre-inflation discount they could have.

If the idea is to win sooner rather than later (and if should be given where you are with McDavid) I think you keep the guys in their prime (Klefbom, Nurse, possibly Larsson), work in Bouchard in the next few seasons, and try to keep the third pairing open for some of the younger guys, giving them sheltered roles (Broberg, Lagesson, etc). The last thing you want is all sorts of rookies figuring things out and continuing to tank the McDavid deal. They need to win before McDavid decides he's had enough here.

Sign Nurse. If Broberg or some of the others develop as they hope, Nurse will still be a moveable asset 3 years down the road. There's no rush, and it isn't likely to be an overpay of any sort if/when the time does come to move him.



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mightyreasoner wrote on Fri, 06 September 2019 21:20

Adam wrote on Fri, 06 September 2019 09:40

I'm curious what the team does with Nurse. I know that the prevailing wisdom is that he's a core piece, but here's the left side depth chart for the Oilers right now:

Klefbom
Nurse
Russell
Jones
Lagesson
Samurokov
Broberg
Manning
Lowe

That's four youngsters pushing up, all who look to have a decent chance to be NHLers. I don't want to make a move too early like the Oilers usually do - see Gilbert, Petry, etc. - but if you're looking at almost $7MM a season for Nurse, and a couple of those guys have cracked the roster, with a couple more on the horizon? How long do you really want to commit to #25? Especially when Klefbom is better and cheaper, so Nurse is really the second pairing guy. If you think any of those guys are likely better than Nurse in the next 2-3 years, then you can't commit to him long-term at those dollars and his money is maybe better off spent fixing the forwards - or re-signing Nugent-Hopkins to an extension.



I think I'd try to keep Nurse AND Klefbom for as long as I can. With Seattle expansion, the team is likely to lose one of Bear or Jones, and Klefbom's health is a MAJOR concern for me. It's a long fall from Klefbom on your first pairing to Russell on your first pairing. It's less of a fall from Klefbom to Nurse (still a fall).

Plus, Nurse has shown an ability to put up points.

$7M isn't a reach for Nurse, not now. That's pretty close to where the market has shifted for similar defensemen, and we may even see that rise depending on what happens with Werenski, Provorov, and McEvoy in the coming weeks. The Oilers probably shouldn't have bridged him, but they painted themselves into a corner and it will cost them a little more now; they won't have the pre-inflation discount they could have.

If the idea is to win sooner rather than later (and if should be given where you are with McDavid) I think you keep the guys in their prime (Klefbom, Nurse, possibly Larsson), work in Bouchard in the next few seasons, and try to keep the third pairing open for some of the younger guys, giving them sheltered roles (Broberg, Lagesson, etc). The last thing you want is all sorts of rookies figuring things out and continuing to tank the McDavid deal. They need to win before McDavid decides he's had enough here.

Sign Nurse. If Broberg or some of the others develop as they hope, Nurse will still be a moveable asset 3 years down the road. There's no rush, and it isn't likely to be an overpay of any sort if/when the time does come to move him.

Oilers who aren’t named McDavid should be signing below market value based on the lack of team success. RFA ones anyways.



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CrudeRemarks wrote on Sat, 07 September 2019 09:09

mightyreasoner wrote on Fri, 06 September 2019 21:20

Adam wrote on Fri, 06 September 2019 09:40

I'm curious what the team does with Nurse. I know that the prevailing wisdom is that he's a core piece, but here's the left side depth chart for the Oilers right now:

Klefbom
Nurse
Russell
Jones
Lagesson
Samurokov
Broberg
Manning
Lowe

That's four youngsters pushing up, all who look to have a decent chance to be NHLers. I don't want to make a move too early like the Oilers usually do - see Gilbert, Petry, etc. - but if you're looking at almost $7MM a season for Nurse, and a couple of those guys have cracked the roster, with a couple more on the horizon? How long do you really want to commit to #25? Especially when Klefbom is better and cheaper, so Nurse is really the second pairing guy. If you think any of those guys are likely better than Nurse in the next 2-3 years, then you can't commit to him long-term at those dollars and his money is maybe better off spent fixing the forwards - or re-signing Nugent-Hopkins to an extension.



I think I'd try to keep Nurse AND Klefbom for as long as I can. With Seattle expansion, the team is likely to lose one of Bear or Jones, and Klefbom's health is a MAJOR concern for me. It's a long fall from Klefbom on your first pairing to Russell on your first pairing. It's less of a fall from Klefbom to Nurse (still a fall).

Plus, Nurse has shown an ability to put up points.

$7M isn't a reach for Nurse, not now. That's pretty close to where the market has shifted for similar defensemen, and we may even see that rise depending on what happens with Werenski, Provorov, and McEvoy in the coming weeks. The Oilers probably shouldn't have bridged him, but they painted themselves into a corner and it will cost them a little more now; they won't have the pre-inflation discount they could have.

If the idea is to win sooner rather than later (and if should be given where you are with McDavid) I think you keep the guys in their prime (Klefbom, Nurse, possibly Larsson), work in Bouchard in the next few seasons, and try to keep the third pairing open for some of the younger guys, giving them sheltered roles (Broberg, Lagesson, etc). The last thing you want is all sorts of rookies figuring things out and continuing to tank the McDavid deal. They need to win before McDavid decides he's had enough here.

Sign Nurse. If Broberg or some of the others develop as they hope, Nurse will still be a moveable asset 3 years down the road. There's no rush, and it isn't likely to be an overpay of any sort if/when the time does come to move him.

Oilers who aren’t named McDavid should be signing below market value based on the lack of team success. RFA ones anyways.


THey probably would, but it would be on deals walking them to UFA. 5Mx2 for Nurse?



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Nurse is tied for 19th in the NHL for EV points among D in the league. Probably would be far and away our top points D if he got Klef's PP time.

Wonder what he's gonna end up getting from us...



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Adam wrote on Fri, 06 September 2019 09:40

I'm curious what the team does with Nurse. I know that the prevailing wisdom is that he's a core piece, but here's the left side depth chart for the Oilers right now:

Klefbom
Nurse
Russell
Jones
Lagesson
Samurokov
Broberg
Manning
Lowe

That's four youngsters pushing up, all who look to have a decent chance to be NHLers. I don't want to make a move too early like the Oilers usually do - see Gilbert, Petry, etc. - but if you're looking at almost $7MM a season for Nurse, and a couple of those guys have cracked the roster, with a couple more on the horizon? How long do you really want to commit to #25? Especially when Klefbom is better and cheaper, so Nurse is really the second pairing guy. If you think any of those guys are likely better than Nurse in the next 2-3 years, then you can't commit to him long-term at those dollars and his money is maybe better off spent fixing the forwards - or re-signing Nugent-Hopkins to an extension.


If you look at the list, who is replacing Nurse or Klef in the next 3 years, even 5?
Russell will be gone.
Jones I think can take over Russell's spot in the 3rd pairing and be full time next year. I think he will need at least a couple of seasons being a full time before he can even be considered as a top 4. I am not sure he gets there ever.
Lagesson I don't think it more than a 3rd pairing guy.
Samorukov probably needs 1-2 yrs in the minors, then a couple years in the NHL. He's probably 4 years away minimum.
Broberg will be at least 4 years away. 1 -2 yrs in the minors, some NHL time in the bottom pairing.

I look at the contracts. After this year, Klef has 3 more years. So he will be basically 30 when his contract is up. Hopefully at that time, one of the younger guys is ready for top 4 full time. So they could sign Nurse to a 5-6 yr deal and have what they have right now. The Oilers have a higher 20's guy leading the way who's in his prime, they have another lower close to mid 20's guy coming into their own, then young guys coming up behind. I do not think they are in a position to be trading away Nurse or Klef anytime soon.

I also do not see how Nurse's camp can come at the Oilers and think they are worth more than Morrissey. Those 2 play similar type of minutes, have similar roles, play on special teams but aren't #1 PP guys and will put up similar points.



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RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 20 January 2020 10:28

Adam wrote on Fri, 06 September 2019 09:40

I'm curious what the team does with Nurse. I know that the prevailing wisdom is that he's a core piece, but here's the left side depth chart for the Oilers right now:

Klefbom
Nurse
Russell
Jones
Lagesson
Samurokov
Broberg
Manning
Lowe

That's four youngsters pushing up, all who look to have a decent chance to be NHLers. I don't want to make a move too early like the Oilers usually do - see Gilbert, Petry, etc. - but if you're looking at almost $7MM a season for Nurse, and a couple of those guys have cracked the roster, with a couple more on the horizon? How long do you really want to commit to #25? Especially when Klefbom is better and cheaper, so Nurse is really the second pairing guy. If you think any of those guys are likely better than Nurse in the next 2-3 years, then you can't commit to him long-term at those dollars and his money is maybe better off spent fixing the forwards - or re-signing Nugent-Hopkins to an extension.


If you look at the list, who is replacing Nurse or Klef in the next 3 years, even 5?
Russell will be gone.
Jones I think can take over Russell's spot in the 3rd pairing and be full time next year. I think he will need at least a couple of seasons being a full time before he can even be considered as a top 4. I am not sure he gets there ever.
Lagesson I don't think it more than a 3rd pairing guy.
Samorukov probably needs 1-2 yrs in the minors, then a couple years in the NHL. He's probably 4 years away minimum.
Broberg will be at least 4 years away. 1 -2 yrs in the minors, some NHL time in the bottom pairing.

I look at the contracts. After this year, Klef has 3 more years. So he will be basically 30 when his contract is up. Hopefully at that time, one of the younger guys is ready for top 4 full time. So they could sign Nurse to a 5-6 yr deal and have what they have right now. The Oilers have a higher 20's guy leading the way who's in his prime, they have another lower close to mid 20's guy coming into their own, then young guys coming up behind. I do not think they are in a position to be trading away Nurse or Klef anytime soon.

I also do not see how Nurse's camp can come at the Oilers and think they are worth more than Morrissey. Those 2 play similar type of minutes, have similar roles, play on special teams but aren't #1 PP guys and will put up similar points.


Worth noting - you're responding to a post from September.

Nurse has had another strong season this year. It'll be interesting to see what that means from a financial point of view. The organization HAS to be negotiate hard on these. The team does not have the cap space to afford not to.

The ammunition is there - Connor McDavid took a discount to be here...so you should too.

The left side X factor is really Philip Broberg. Is he something real or not? While I hope he develops well, I don't have a lot of hope that Samorukov will do well with the Oilers - he's getting under-utilized in his first pro season, and there's so much competition in that defence cohort, it's going to be tough for him - and since Broberg isn't just a first round pick, but also a reach at #8 - the Oilers are going to be incentivized to give him every opportunity to move quickly up the ranks when he comes over. That's going to be at the expense of Samorukov (and Lagesson & Jones to an extent too). On top of that, the Oilers basically never do well by Russian players.

Nurse and Klefbom look like they're dialed in to that 1-2 position at LD for the foreseeable future, but I think both would still not be untouchables for me in the right deal.



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Adam wrote on Mon, 20 January 2020 11:09

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 20 January 2020 10:28

Adam wrote on Fri, 06 September 2019 09:40

I'm curious what the team does with Nurse. I know that the prevailing wisdom is that he's a core piece, but here's the left side depth chart for the Oilers right now:

Klefbom
Nurse
Russell
Jones
Lagesson
Samurokov
Broberg
Manning
Lowe

That's four youngsters pushing up, all who look to have a decent chance to be NHLers. I don't want to make a move too early like the Oilers usually do - see Gilbert, Petry, etc. - but if you're looking at almost $7MM a season for Nurse, and a couple of those guys have cracked the roster, with a couple more on the horizon? How long do you really want to commit to #25? Especially when Klefbom is better and cheaper, so Nurse is really the second pairing guy. If you think any of those guys are likely better than Nurse in the next 2-3 years, then you can't commit to him long-term at those dollars and his money is maybe better off spent fixing the forwards - or re-signing Nugent-Hopkins to an extension.


If you look at the list, who is replacing Nurse or Klef in the next 3 years, even 5?
Russell will be gone.
Jones I think can take over Russell's spot in the 3rd pairing and be full time next year. I think he will need at least a couple of seasons being a full time before he can even be considered as a top 4. I am not sure he gets there ever.
Lagesson I don't think it more than a 3rd pairing guy.
Samorukov probably needs 1-2 yrs in the minors, then a couple years in the NHL. He's probably 4 years away minimum.
Broberg will be at least 4 years away. 1 -2 yrs in the minors, some NHL time in the bottom pairing.

I look at the contracts. After this year, Klef has 3 more years. So he will be basically 30 when his contract is up. Hopefully at that time, one of the younger guys is ready for top 4 full time. So they could sign Nurse to a 5-6 yr deal and have what they have right now. The Oilers have a higher 20's guy leading the way who's in his prime, they have another lower close to mid 20's guy coming into their own, then young guys coming up behind. I do not think they are in a position to be trading away Nurse or Klef anytime soon.

I also do not see how Nurse's camp can come at the Oilers and think they are worth more than Morrissey. Those 2 play similar type of minutes, have similar roles, play on special teams but aren't #1 PP guys and will put up similar points.


Worth noting - you're responding to a post from September.

Nurse has had another strong season this year. It'll be interesting to see what that means from a financial point of view. The organization HAS to be negotiate hard on these. The team does not have the cap space to afford not to.

The ammunition is there - Connor McDavid took a discount to be here...so you should too.

The left side X factor is really Philip Broberg. Is he something real or not? While I hope he develops well, I don't have a lot of hope that Samorukov will do well with the Oilers - he's getting under-utilized in his first pro season, and there's so much competition in that defence cohort, it's going to be tough for him - and since Broberg isn't just a first round pick, but also a reach at #8 - the Oilers are going to be incentivized to give him every opportunity to move quickly up the ranks when he comes over. That's going to be at the expense of Samorukov (and Lagesson & Jones to an extent too). On top of that, the Oilers basically never do well by Russian players.

Nurse and Klefbom look like they're dialed in to that 1-2 position at LD for the foreseeable future, but I think both would still not be untouchables for me in the right deal.

Great. What has changed in 4 months? Unless I missed a move, the same guys are here and I don't think the order has changed. If anything, it's solidified where guys are at meaning no guy has just jumped up out of no where to look closer than they were in September.

With the injury to Benning, that gave Jones the chance to come up. Jones has been decent, I wouldn't call him outstanding but overall good enough. If the injury doesn't happen, he's probably not here. When Benning comes back and provided he's close to up to speed, while I am not a Russell lover, I would play Russell over Jones for now and because he's right handed, I play Benning over Jones. So he's not full time yet. I expect Jones to be full time next year in the 3rd pairing and probably needs a couple of seasons in the 3rd pairing before he might be ready to move up if it ever happens.

Everything else still applies in my opinion for time lines. I supposed if a team just knocks your socks off with a trade you just can't pass up then you look at it but whether it's September or right now, the Oilers in my opinion are at least 3 years from being able to move a guy like Klef or Nurse. All bets are off if Nurse goes stupid and his contract demands are just out to lunch but I just don't know how thanks to Morrissey. I don't know how Nurses agent or Nurse for that matter can go to the Oilers and have any kind of credibility and demand much more than Morrissey. Maybe there is a tiny case for a few hundred K more, not sure what that case is but that would be it. Just too many numbers in all categories say they are very, very similar and should be paid accordingly.



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