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 Off Season 2019 [message #738827]
Sat, 15 June 2019 13:25 Go to next message
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Kicking the off season off with Phaneuf buy out by the Kings.

(and technically I guess Eberle's new contract but already a thread
http://oilfans.com/forum/index.php?t=msg&th=47045&st art=0&rid=3978&SQ=d2254c49c8eeb73c252c6c303234a9df )

Any interest in getting Phaneuf cheap as a 5/6 d-man?

5 established: Sekera Klefbom Nurse Larsson Russell .... Benning
With potential: Bouchard Jones Bear

... me probably not, save money for much needed forwards.

[Updated on: Sat, 15 June 2019 13:29]


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 Re: Off Season 2019 [message #738831 is a reply to message #738827 ]
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Only way the Oilers should have ANY interest in Phaneuf is if they unload both Sekera and Russell.

Even then, it's not a great fit:

Klefbom / Larsson
Nurse / _______
______ / Benning

AHL: Jones, Bear, Bouchard, Samorukov, Lagesson, Day

The way I see it, there are two open spots that needs to be filled: the 2RD with Darnell Nurse and the 3RD.

I believe there are some options out there for trade in the 2RD, some guys entering into UFA next summer.

For the 3LD, Sekera and Russell are options. If both are move, then Phaneuf could be an option. But my preference above all of them is to move Caleb Jones into the NHL and give him some sheltered minutes in that spot. If Bear and Bouchard are going to be on the club in the next few years, we won't be able to feed them all soft minutes as they enter, so we might want to stagger their entrance into the NHL.



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nullterm wrote on Sat, 15 June 2019 13:25

Kicking the off season off with Phaneuf buy out by the Kings.


If I'm him, I retire, look after the kid, and let my smoking hot wife bring in the money.



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 Re: Off Season 2019 [message #738834 is a reply to message #738827 ]
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Seems like the Dion is pretty done. Kills his team when he's out on the ice. Don't think we need to add any more guys that need a top end D partner to hide how bad they are at many aspects of the game.

From all Holland interviews so far, it seems like his plan this year is to try to establish a bottom 9 forward group that can actually do something useful on the ice and not just be guys that sap momentum from your team and get scored on while we wait for McDavid/Drai to catch their breath. Seems like a reasonable 1st step considering the cap crunch, and it very well could be enough to be in a battle for a wildcard spot. Need some insurance in net too of course in case the massive Koskinen gamble doesn't work out.

Think we are waiting at least 1 more year before any big moves are made.



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I think the "big move" for Holland this year is bringing in a stop gap right shot dman that can play in the top 4 while the young guys develop. He made a comment a week or so ago that he didn't think his defence needed a lot of change. I agree with that. I have said multiple times that I don't think the Oilers need a ton of change on the defense, I have never thought they should go big game hunting and blow a ton of assets on a big name, right shot dman, I think they just need to change up the mix slightly, part of it is to create some roster spots. I could see him getting rid of a Russell who I think has some value and maybe Benning. You give one spot to Jones and then go bring in a stop gap right shot guy. There is your chance in defense.

A stop gap is a guy like Colin Miller from Vegas. He's been talked about a lot. I wouldn't call that a huge move. The acquisition cost wouldn't be ridiculous. He's a better puck moving Russell with potentially more offense but a right shot. He's not a world beater, he's no higher than a #4 and in a year or so from now if/when Bouchard is ready for a top 4 spot, you slide him down to the 3rd pair and it's not the end of the world.



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This just happened. Erik Karlsson has resigned in San Jose. 8 years, over 11 mill per.

I think that is a mistake on the part of the Sharks. I given his injury history and in my opinion, he seems to be breaking down I wouldn't have given him 8 years.



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RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 17 June 2019 08:13

This just happened. Erik Karlsson has resigned in San Jose. 8 years, over 11 mill per.

I think that is a mistake on the part of the Sharks. I given his injury history and in my opinion, he seems to be breaking down I wouldn't have given him 8 years.


Wow.

Karlsson is phenomenal when healthy, but that's happening less and less, and now you have $26MM locked up in three defencemen for the next six seasons. Burns is 34 at $8MM per, Vlasic is 32 and getting $7MM per, and now 29-year old Karlsson at $11MM?

Crazy. Here's hoping that blows up in their face again and again over the next several years.



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Adam wrote on Mon, 17 June 2019 08:24

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 17 June 2019 08:13

This just happened. Erik Karlsson has resigned in San Jose. 8 years, over 11 mill per.

I think that is a mistake on the part of the Sharks. I given his injury history and in my opinion, he seems to be breaking down I wouldn't have given him 8 years.


Wow.

Karlsson is phenomenal when healthy, but that's happening less and less, and now you have $26MM locked up in three defencemen for the next six seasons. Burns is 34 at $8MM per, Vlasic is 32 and getting $7MM per, and now 29-year old Karlsson at $11MM?

Crazy. Here's hoping that blows up in their face again and again over the next several years.

Supposedly the cap hit is about 11.5 mill. 3rd highest in the NHL. That is crazy to me. That is MAX money for him. There was talk a year ago that he and Doughty could get similar money. Doughty got 11, he got 11.5. I don't see any team giving Karlsson any more. He got max term and max money from the Sharks. I would have expected him to get that from a desperate team trying to make a splash in free agency.

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RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 17 June 2019 08:57

Adam wrote on Mon, 17 June 2019 08:24

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 17 June 2019 08:13

This just happened. Erik Karlsson has resigned in San Jose. 8 years, over 11 mill per.

I think that is a mistake on the part of the Sharks. I given his injury history and in my opinion, he seems to be breaking down I wouldn't have given him 8 years.


Wow.

Karlsson is phenomenal when healthy, but that's happening less and less, and now you have $26MM locked up in three defencemen for the next six seasons. Burns is 34 at $8MM per, Vlasic is 32 and getting $7MM per, and now 29-year old Karlsson at $11MM?

Crazy. Here's hoping that blows up in their face again and again over the next several years.

Supposedly the cap hit is about 11.5 mill. 3rd highest in the NHL. That is crazy to me.

I get the GM’s point of view though. Like Chiarelli with the Lucic deal, the last few years are likely another GM’s problem.



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Looks like the salary cap may be under $ 83 million.

https://www.tsn.ca/nhl-salary-cap-could-be-below-83-million- for-2019-20-season-1.1323817

Tension temporarily rises in NHL General Managers' offices everywhere. By this afternoon, they will have collectively decided the only way to relieve their anxiety is to go on a spending splurge of some kind; any kind.

Not sure how the NHL and NHLPA are working to deal with the escrow issue.




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Adam wrote on Mon, 17 June 2019 08:24

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 17 June 2019 08:13

This just happened. Erik Karlsson has resigned in San Jose. 8 years, over 11 mill per.

I think that is a mistake on the part of the Sharks. I given his injury history and in my opinion, he seems to be breaking down I wouldn't have given him 8 years.


Wow.

Karlsson is phenomenal when healthy, but that's happening less and less, and now you have $26MM locked up in three defencemen for the next six seasons. Burns is 34 at $8MM per, Vlasic is 32 and getting $7MM per, and now 29-year old Karlsson at $11MM?

Crazy. Here's hoping that blows up in their face again and again over the next several years.


I love Karlsson. One of my favorite players to watch in the last 20 years.
That contract is insane. Even with a rising cap, salary inflation, etc, etc there is a less than 1% chance that turns out to be a good long term plan. Building from the Blue is a solid strategy but having that much tied up in 30 plus age players will be a HUGE issue going forward.

Not to mention the huge list of RFA's and FA's they still have.




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Adam wrote on Mon, 17 June 2019 08:24

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 17 June 2019 08:13

This just happened. Erik Karlsson has resigned in San Jose. 8 years, over 11 mill per.

I think that is a mistake on the part of the Sharks. I given his injury history and in my opinion, he seems to be breaking down I wouldn't have given him 8 years.


Wow.

Karlsson is phenomenal when healthy, but that's happening less and less, and now you have $26MM locked up in three defencemen for the next six seasons. Burns is 34 at $8MM per, Vlasic is 32 and getting $7MM per, and now 29-year old Karlsson at $11MM?

Crazy. Here's hoping that blows up in their face again and again over the next several years.


Wilson must be getting very impatient, and I guess we can't blame him. It's up to ownership to step up if they don't like Wilson going all in like this on a bunch of old timers.

I assume they will give big money to Pavelski as well.

SJ should be in a big decline right around when we are "supposed" to finally be hitting our stride in the McDavid golden age :)



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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 17 June 2019 09:18

Adam wrote on Mon, 17 June 2019 08:24

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 17 June 2019 08:13

This just happened. Erik Karlsson has resigned in San Jose. 8 years, over 11 mill per.

I think that is a mistake on the part of the Sharks. I given his injury history and in my opinion, he seems to be breaking down I wouldn't have given him 8 years.


Wow.

Karlsson is phenomenal when healthy, but that's happening less and less, and now you have $26MM locked up in three defencemen for the next six seasons. Burns is 34 at $8MM per, Vlasic is 32 and getting $7MM per, and now 29-year old Karlsson at $11MM?

Crazy. Here's hoping that blows up in their face again and again over the next several years.


Wilson must be getting very impatient, and I guess we can't blame him. It's up to ownership to step up if they don't like Wilson going all in like this on a bunch of old timers.

I assume they will give big money to Pavelski as well.

SJ should be in a big decline right around when we are "supposed" to finally be hitting our stride in the McDavid golden age :)

2027?



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CrudeRemarks wrote on Mon, 17 June 2019 09:34

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 17 June 2019 09:18

Adam wrote on Mon, 17 June 2019 08:24

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 17 June 2019 08:13

This just happened. Erik Karlsson has resigned in San Jose. 8 years, over 11 mill per.

I think that is a mistake on the part of the Sharks. I given his injury history and in my opinion, he seems to be breaking down I wouldn't have given him 8 years.


Wow.

Karlsson is phenomenal when healthy, but that's happening less and less, and now you have $26MM locked up in three defencemen for the next six seasons. Burns is 34 at $8MM per, Vlasic is 32 and getting $7MM per, and now 29-year old Karlsson at $11MM?

Crazy. Here's hoping that blows up in their face again and again over the next several years.


Wilson must be getting very impatient, and I guess we can't blame him. It's up to ownership to step up if they don't like Wilson going all in like this on a bunch of old timers.

I assume they will give big money to Pavelski as well.

SJ should be in a big decline right around when we are "supposed" to finally be hitting our stride in the McDavid golden age :)

2027?


So negative!

At least by 2026.



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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 17 June 2019 09:39

CrudeRemarks wrote on Mon, 17 June 2019 09:34

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 17 June 2019 09:18

Adam wrote on Mon, 17 June 2019 08:24

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 17 June 2019 08:13

This just happened. Erik Karlsson has resigned in San Jose. 8 years, over 11 mill per.

I think that is a mistake on the part of the Sharks. I given his injury history and in my opinion, he seems to be breaking down I wouldn't have given him 8 years.


Wow.

Karlsson is phenomenal when healthy, but that's happening less and less, and now you have $26MM locked up in three defencemen for the next six seasons. Burns is 34 at $8MM per, Vlasic is 32 and getting $7MM per, and now 29-year old Karlsson at $11MM?

Crazy. Here's hoping that blows up in their face again and again over the next several years.


Wilson must be getting very impatient, and I guess we can't blame him. It's up to ownership to step up if they don't like Wilson going all in like this on a bunch of old timers.

I assume they will give big money to Pavelski as well.

SJ should be in a big decline right around when we are "supposed" to finally be hitting our stride in the McDavid golden age :)

2027?


So negative!

At least by 2026.

2026 isn't cyclical enough.

Although realistically I could see the Oilers being a well run team in 5 years. So, 2023-24 but only if everything breaks wrong over the next 2-3 years.



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I am excited to see the Karlsson buy-out calculations, when they're available.


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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 17 June 2019 09:18

Adam wrote on Mon, 17 June 2019 08:24

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 17 June 2019 08:13

This just happened. Erik Karlsson has resigned in San Jose. 8 years, over 11 mill per.

I think that is a mistake on the part of the Sharks. I given his injury history and in my opinion, he seems to be breaking down I wouldn't have given him 8 years.


Wow.

Karlsson is phenomenal when healthy, but that's happening less and less, and now you have $26MM locked up in three defencemen for the next six seasons. Burns is 34 at $8MM per, Vlasic is 32 and getting $7MM per, and now 29-year old Karlsson at $11MM?

Crazy. Here's hoping that blows up in their face again and again over the next several years.


Wilson must be getting very impatient, and I guess we can't blame him. It's up to ownership to step up if they don't like Wilson going all in like this on a bunch of old timers.

I assume they will give big money to Pavelski as well.

SJ should be in a big decline right around when we are "supposed" to finally be hitting our stride in the McDavid golden age :)


That's top dollar for him, if he's healthy he is worth it for the first few years of that deal, after that not so much. The problem is him staying healthy, glad it wasn't us offering him that term / money.

Well depending how they structured the contract he might just retire in the later years of that deal or will be on LTIR.



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McDavid97 wrote on Mon, 17 June 2019 14:15

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 17 June 2019 09:18

Adam wrote on Mon, 17 June 2019 08:24

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 17 June 2019 08:13

This just happened. Erik Karlsson has resigned in San Jose. 8 years, over 11 mill per.

I think that is a mistake on the part of the Sharks. I given his injury history and in my opinion, he seems to be breaking down I wouldn't have given him 8 years.


Wow.

Karlsson is phenomenal when healthy, but that's happening less and less, and now you have $26MM locked up in three defencemen for the next six seasons. Burns is 34 at $8MM per, Vlasic is 32 and getting $7MM per, and now 29-year old Karlsson at $11MM?

Crazy. Here's hoping that blows up in their face again and again over the next several years.


Wilson must be getting very impatient, and I guess we can't blame him. It's up to ownership to step up if they don't like Wilson going all in like this on a bunch of old timers.

I assume they will give big money to Pavelski as well.

SJ should be in a big decline right around when we are "supposed" to finally be hitting our stride in the McDavid golden age :)


That's top dollar for him, if he's healthy he is worth it for the first few years of that deal, after that not so much. The problem is him staying healthy, glad it wasn't us offering him that term / money.

Well depending how they structured the contract he might just retire in the later years of that deal or will be on LTIR.


Yeah - that deal looks OK for 3, 4 years tops, if they're lucky. Crazy.



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Mike wrote on Mon, 17 June 2019 10:49

McDavid97 wrote on Mon, 17 June 2019 14:15

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 17 June 2019 09:18

Adam wrote on Mon, 17 June 2019 08:24

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 17 June 2019 08:13

This just happened. Erik Karlsson has resigned in San Jose. 8 years, over 11 mill per.

I think that is a mistake on the part of the Sharks. I given his injury history and in my opinion, he seems to be breaking down I wouldn't have given him 8 years.


Wow.

Karlsson is phenomenal when healthy, but that's happening less and less, and now you have $26MM locked up in three defencemen for the next six seasons. Burns is 34 at $8MM per, Vlasic is 32 and getting $7MM per, and now 29-year old Karlsson at $11MM?

Crazy. Here's hoping that blows up in their face again and again over the next several years.


Wilson must be getting very impatient, and I guess we can't blame him. It's up to ownership to step up if they don't like Wilson going all in like this on a bunch of old timers.

I assume they will give big money to Pavelski as well.

SJ should be in a big decline right around when we are "supposed" to finally be hitting our stride in the McDavid golden age :)


That's top dollar for him, if he's healthy he is worth it for the first few years of that deal, after that not so much. The problem is him staying healthy, glad it wasn't us offering him that term / money.

Well depending how they structured the contract he might just retire in the later years of that deal or will be on LTIR.


Yeah - that deal looks OK for 3, 4 years tops, if they're lucky. Crazy.



The thinking has to be that it's very close to the end of their window. This is obviously a lot of money and term, but I also think the Sharks need to keep going for it while they can. You are always going to pony up if you want one of the best players in the game (when healthy...).

Doug Wilson has done a pretty fantastic job of not letting his best players hit free agency. Couture, Kane, Pavelski, Thornton, Burns, Vlasic...none of those guys have tested the free market. It doesn't surprise me at all that he retained Karlsson as well.

He had 2 options. Let Karlsson go and nosedive the Sharks into an old mediocre team like the current LA Kings, probably be forced into a rebuild. Or keep him, extend their window for at least a few years and still remain a pretty scary looking team. They made the playoffs with Martin Jones sporting an underwhelming 0.896 save percentage in 62 games played. This team has more to give. If Karlsson is going to be healthy, I think this is the right call. He is arguably the best defenseman in the game when he's got all his tendons.







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https://www.tsn.ca/philadelphia-flyers-acquire-d-justin-brau n-from-san-jose-sharks-1.1324558

"The Philadelphia Flyers have acquired defenceman Justin Braun from the San Jose Sharks for a second-round pick in this week's draft and a third-round selection in 2020.

Braun, 32, had two goals and 16 points in 78 games with the Sharks this season while averaging 20:18 of ice time per game. He added one assist while appearing in all 20 of the Sharks playoff games en route to reaching the Western Conference Final."

San Jose will still need to dump a few contracts, both in the near future and beyond.




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Next up, monster contracts to Mitch Marner and Matthew Tkachuk.

Though I do have a feeling Tkachuk will sign for something like $8 million a season, the Flames always seem to lock down their guys for cheap. It would be nice if Holland can finally be that kind of GM for the Oilers.



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The Flyers just traded a 2nd and 3rd round pick to the Sharks for Braun. Braun is a 4-5, right shot, defensive dman making 3.8 mill. He had 16 pts in 78 games and was a -14. Seems like a lot for a defensive dman.

Other than being right handed and having 1 less year on his contract, is Braun not very similar to Russell? Make similar money, play a similar role, both don't bring a lot of offense. This trade gives me more confidence that Russell can and will be moved.



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RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 18 June 2019 10:45

The Flyers just traded a 2nd and 3rd round pick to the Sharks for Braun. Braun is a 4-5, right shot, defensive dman making 3.8 mill. He had 16 pts in 78 games and was a -14. Seems like a lot for a defensive dman.

Other than being right handed and having 1 less year on his contract, is Braun not very similar to Russell? Make similar money, play a similar role, both don't bring a lot of offense. This trade gives me more confidence that Russell can and will be moved.


*fingers crossed*

I have little doubt that there's guys around the league who over-value things like shot blocking and playing through the pain and will give up something to get Kris Russell...hopefully they're included on his 10-team list, as he now only has a modified no-move clause.

I'd definitely rather move Russell than Sekera, but it's probably easier to move the better player - especially since he has to give us five extra teams to agree to go to. Yes, Sekera's more expensive, but he's also a lot better.

If we can't get rid of #4, we may have to consider sending out Sekera instead. I think something has to give at LD with Nurse & Klefbom there as the top two guys.



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With Karlsson signing. Trouba being traded and I assume the Rangers would have asked to speak to his agent first to find out if they had a chance, so I assume he will get done. All of the sudden the defense market is getting a little thin. Lots of teams need defense. I don't think Russell is worth what the Sharks got for Braun partly because he's right handed and has 1 year less on his contract. But at the same time, with the signing of Karlsson, all of a sudden the Sharks don't have a ton of cap space with some pretty critical RFA's looking for big raises to sign plus some key vets to make decisions on. So the Sharks weren't exactly in a strong position.

If the Oilers could find a team needing a dman and they could get a pick back without having to retain salary, I would take that and run. Between Sekera and Russell, you sure don't need too expensive, vet, 3rd pairing dmen.

On another note, I just saw on TSN that Clarkson just gave Vegas a 16 team list. I know he has that clause in his contract but he hasn't played in 3 yrs due to injury. I would hope he wouldn't block a trade. He won't ever play no matter where he goes.

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RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 18 June 2019 13:07

With Karlsson signing. Trouba being traded and I assume the Rangers would have asked to speak to his agent first to find out if they had a chance, so I assume he will get done. All of the sudden the defense market is getting a little thin. Lots of teams need defense. I don't think Russell is worth what the Sharks got for Braun partly because he's right handed and has 1 year less on his contract. But at the same time, with the signing of Karlsson, all of a sudden the Sharks don't have a ton of cap space with some pretty critical RFA's looking for big raises to sign plus some key vets to make decisions on. So the Sharks weren't exactly in a strong position.

If the Oilers could find a team needing a dman and they could get a pick back without having to retain salary, I would take that and run. Between Sekera and Russell, you sure don't need too expensive, vet, 3rd pairing dmen.

On another note, I just saw on TSN that Clarkson just gave Vegas a 16 team list. I know he has that clause in his contract but he hasn't played in 3 yrs due to injury. I would hope he wouldn't block a trade. He won't ever play no matter where he goes.


Someone mentioned tax rates. It is hard to beat Nevada. Would be funny if for once a low tax range came back to bite a team.



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mightyreasoner wrote on Tue, 18 June 2019 15:04

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 18 June 2019 13:07

With Karlsson signing. Trouba being traded and I assume the Rangers would have asked to speak to his agent first to find out if they had a chance, so I assume he will get done. All of the sudden the defense market is getting a little thin. Lots of teams need defense. I don't think Russell is worth what the Sharks got for Braun partly because he's right handed and has 1 year less on his contract. But at the same time, with the signing of Karlsson, all of a sudden the Sharks don't have a ton of cap space with some pretty critical RFA's looking for big raises to sign plus some key vets to make decisions on. So the Sharks weren't exactly in a strong position.

If the Oilers could find a team needing a dman and they could get a pick back without having to retain salary, I would take that and run. Between Sekera and Russell, you sure don't need too expensive, vet, 3rd pairing dmen.

On another note, I just saw on TSN that Clarkson just gave Vegas a 16 team list. I know he has that clause in his contract but he hasn't played in 3 yrs due to injury. I would hope he wouldn't block a trade. He won't ever play no matter where he goes.


Someone mentioned tax rates. It is hard to beat Nevada. Would be funny if for once a low tax range came back to bite a team.


I would hope that for Clarkson it's just a formality thing but he would accept a trade to almost anywhere. There are a pretty limited amount of teams who would be willing, let along able to take him on. All he is going to do is collect a pay check every 2 weeks to sit at home.



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RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 18 June 2019 16:02

mightyreasoner wrote on Tue, 18 June 2019 15:04

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 18 June 2019 13:07

With Karlsson signing. Trouba being traded and I assume the Rangers would have asked to speak to his agent first to find out if they had a chance, so I assume he will get done. All of the sudden the defense market is getting a little thin. Lots of teams need defense. I don't think Russell is worth what the Sharks got for Braun partly because he's right handed and has 1 year less on his contract. But at the same time, with the signing of Karlsson, all of a sudden the Sharks don't have a ton of cap space with some pretty critical RFA's looking for big raises to sign plus some key vets to make decisions on. So the Sharks weren't exactly in a strong position.

If the Oilers could find a team needing a dman and they could get a pick back without having to retain salary, I would take that and run. Between Sekera and Russell, you sure don't need too expensive, vet, 3rd pairing dmen.

On another note, I just saw on TSN that Clarkson just gave Vegas a 16 team list. I know he has that clause in his contract but he hasn't played in 3 yrs due to injury. I would hope he wouldn't block a trade. He won't ever play no matter where he goes.


Someone mentioned tax rates. It is hard to beat Nevada. Would be funny if for once a low tax range came back to bite a team.


I would hope that for Clarkson it's just a formality thing but he would accept a trade to almost anywhere. There are a pretty limited amount of teams who would be willing, let along able to take him on. All he is going to do is collect a pay check every 2 weeks to sit at home.


Right, but to me that is even more incentive for him to maximize his earnings. He owes Vegas nothing. He isn't getting a future contract. If he can keep more money off his current deal by paying significantly less taxes, that has to be a consideration. It's not like he is looking for location, a chance to win, or playing time.

He probably just submitted a list with the lowest 16 tax brackets.



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This is fun:

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Bob McKenzie says on TSN1050 that Marner's camp doesn't care about other winger comparables.

Paraphrasing: If Rantanen came out and signed 9-9.5M long term, Mitch Marner would come out and say "who cares? Pay me like Matthews"


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Kypreos on 590:

Karlsson and Skinner deal means Marner will only take 11M+. No progress is being made. Marner's camp feels an offersheet will be there. Leafs are going to up their offer before/at the draft one last time and then call their bluff on the offersheet.



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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 18 June 2019 21:15

This is fun:

James @Account4hockey
Bob McKenzie says on TSN1050 that Marner's camp doesn't care about other winger comparables.

Paraphrasing: If Rantanen came out and signed 9-9.5M long term, Mitch Marner would come out and say "who cares? Pay me like Matthews"


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Kypreos on 590:

Karlsson and Skinner deal means Marner will only take 11M+. No progress is being made. Marner's camp feels an offersheet will be there. Leafs are going to up their offer before/at the draft one last time and then call their bluff on the offersheet.



I loooove it. And the cap isn't going to be as high as originally thought.

I know as an Oiler fan I shouldn't be happy about the cap not being as nearly high but the Oilers were screwed regardless.

Come on Matthew Tkachuk, you're easily a $9 million per year player (according to Eric Francis you're better than Drai), ask for $10 million plus. You deserve it and if the Flames don't compensate you, you should sit out. icon_biggrin




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The Anaheim Ducks have bought out the remaining two years of four-time All-Star Corey Perry's contract, making the 34-year-old winger an unrestricted free agent.


So when do we make a call?



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McDavid97 wrote on Wed, 19 June 2019 11:24

The Anaheim Ducks have bought out the remaining two years of four-time All-Star Corey Perry's contract, making the 34-year-old winger an unrestricted free agent.


So when do we make a call?


As soon as Comrie pays his signing bonus back.



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NetBOG wrote on Wed, 19 June 2019 11:26

McDavid97 wrote on Wed, 19 June 2019 11:24

The Anaheim Ducks have bought out the remaining two years of four-time All-Star Corey Perry's contract, making the 34-year-old winger an unrestricted free agent.


So when do we make a call?


As soon as Comrie pays his signing bonus back.

It's crazy to think that Kevin Lowe has been effing up the Oilers for Perry's entire career.



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CrudeRemarks wrote on Wed, 19 June 2019 11:30

It's crazy to think that Kevin Lowe has been effing up the Oilers for Perry's entire career.


This actually ridiculous when you think about it. This same guy has some cozy job walking around with the franchise still.



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I just spotted Shaun Horcoff and Dan Cleary walking around downtown Vancouver. My "oh right the draft is here!" moment.


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nullterm wrote on Thu, 20 June 2019 13:36

I just spotted Shaun Horcoff and Dan Cleary walking around downtown Vancouver. My "oh right the draft is here!" moment.


Cool.
I've been looking.. no sightings yet .. I'm right by Rogers Place too..
I'm hoping to bump into KG and Holland and give them my draft suggestions.



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Skookum Jim wrote on Thu, 20 June 2019 18:41

nullterm wrote on Thu, 20 June 2019 13:36

I just spotted Shaun Horcoff and Dan Cleary walking around downtown Vancouver. My "oh right the draft is here!" moment.


Cool.
I've been looking.. no sightings yet .. I'm right by Rogers Place too..
I'm hoping to bump into KG and Holland and give them my draft suggestions.


You should make a list on foolscap and take it with you everywhere you go just in case!



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The guy had a great career, but he was obviously hurting last season and he has his share of wear and tear. I expect him to retire, but you never know. Some guys just don't know the meaning of the word quit, and Corey Perry is one of them.

According to Cap Friendly, his career earnings are $80,289,417. Even with state taxes, income tax,escrow holdbacks, etc., he should have enough left to live a pretty comfortable life.

I wonder how history would have been different if the Pronger sale had included Perry instead of Lupul. Not sure if the Oilers could have afforded Perry in those days before Katz, but Perry could have dragged the Oilers into at least a few playoff rounds.




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GabbyDugan wrote on Wed, 19 June 2019 11:37


The guy had a great career, but he was obviously hurting last season and he has his share of wear and tear. I expect him to retire, but you never know. Some guys just don't know the meaning of the word quit, and Corey Perry is one of them.

According to Cap Friendly, his career earnings are $80,289,417. Even with state taxes, income tax,escrow holdbacks, etc., he should have enough left to live a pretty comfortable life.

I wonder how history would have been different if the Pronger sale had included Perry instead of Lupul. Not sure if the Oilers could have afforded Perry in those days before Katz, but Perry could have dragged the Oilers into at least a few playoff rounds.

Butterfly effect tells us that any change to the previous years of suck might have resulted in no McDavid. But there's a possibility in the alternate timeline you are suggesting, that Kevin Lowe gets a job offer with the Rangers, so I support it.



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BREAKING NEWS: Julien BriseBois stated today that forward Ryan Callahan has been diagnosed with degenerative back disease and recommended that he no longer play professional hockey.


5.8M of LTIR space just opened up for the Lightning right in time for Brayden Point's big payday.

Thanks doc

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IN a year where Tampa is up against the cap and have some key, soon to be very expensive players to sign, Callahan gets diagnosed with degenerative back disease. Whatever the hell that is. icon_rolleyes

Didn't Lucic have a sore back at the end of the year? The Oilers need to hire who ever Tampa's or the Hawks doc who diagnosed Hossa with some equipment rash no one knew existed. Lucic doesn't like to work on his skills so maybe he has some strange, debilitating practice disease.



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