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 Coaching Changes [message #737161]
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Speculation is now starting on who will be the next Oilers head coach.

Dave Tippett has been referenced by Friedman.

https://twitter.com/friedgehnic/status/1124902910502924294?s =21

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As we sign off for the night, Ken Holland’s decision on EDM’s substantial offer to be GM is expected in the next day or so. If he does join the Oilers, it is believed Dave Tippett will be in the coaching mix.


Bob McKenzie on Edmonton radio mentioned Mike Babcock (should he be fired), echoed by Frank Seravalli.

https://twitter.com/frank_seravalli/status/11254806080195051 52?s=21

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Ken Holland wanted a challenge. He’s got one in the #Oilers. There will be blood in the front office. The list of tradeable assets is short, so is the cap space. He needs to hire a coach. And what about Mike Babcock?


Kris Knoblauch was fired from Philadelphia. Stauffer had this to say about McDavid's Erie Otters coach:

https://twitter.com/bob_stauffer/status/1125461118300745728? s=21

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I see Kris Knoblauch is not part of the Philadelphia Flyers Coaching staff moving forward.
Would fully expect progressive organizations to look at him for AHL HC or NHL AC jobs.
He had several suitors when he took Flyers AC job in 2017


A lot of possibilities. Of course, Hitchcock has not been ruled out.



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According to Gregor, most of the players raved about the assistants in their exit interviews.


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I wonder what the betting odds on Hitchcock remaining coach are.

I wonder how long his contract goes for.



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I'd say the odds of Hitch being coach are zero. The players didn't like him and it's not like he had amazing results. They probably could have saved themselves some money and just kept McLellan till the end of the season, then let him go. The results wouldn't have changed.


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I've wanted Dave Tippett for a long time. The Oilers need to play better defensively as a group, DT can help with that. Not spotting the other team a couple of free-be goals against every night would be welcomed. It may not be as exciting, but as long and 97 & 29 are on the team, they should be able to keep it entertaining. Plus, you know what is exciting? Winning games.

Side note here. We always hear about in-game coaching and matchups when it comes to McDavid. Why do we never hear about us focussing on matchups vs the other team's top offensive players? Leon could be a Selke type center under the right coach/system. It's always about how the other team is going to shut us down, never about how we're going to shut them down. In the end, the Oilers are always reacting to the game rather than dictating it. Obviously some exceptions, but generally speaking that's mostly what I've seen for the last 2 decades, maybe longer.



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Does anyone know if Jay Woodcroft worked for Detroit when McLellan was there? Just wondering if that connection to Holland from that era is something to consider


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Sportsnet talking heads all saying Babcock is not happening. He'd have to be fired by the Leafs before even being considered.


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Yeah he was given a pretty big vote of confidence by Dubas pretty quick after posting this thread.


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NetBOG wrote on Mon, 06 May 2019 20:16

Sportsnet talking heads all saying Babcock is not happening. He'd have to be fired by the Leafs before even being considered.

Are you sure about this? a lot of people work two jobs.



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https://twitter.com/friedgehnic/status/1124902910502924294?s =21

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...if he does join the Oilers, it is believed Dave Tippett will be in the coaching mix.


Just imagine if Holland Nylandered the Oilers!?



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Wouldn’t hate Todd Nelson with Knoblauch and one of Yawney or Manson.


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I wouldn't mind hiring Knoblauch for something, it would make McDavid happy. I would like to see Yawney stay because I think he's a real good defense coach. I would like to see Vivieros stay and have a bigger, more offensive role.


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Dreger reports on Hitchcock:

https://twitter.com/darrendreger/status/1125773549476679681? s=21

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Not surprisingly, the Oilers will replace Ken Hitchcock as head coach. Decent possibility Hitchcock stays on as an advisor.



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smyth260 wrote on Tue, 07 May 2019 09:27

Dreger reports on Hitchcock:

https://twitter.com/darrendreger/status/1125773549476679681? s=21

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Not surprisingly, the Oilers will replace Ken Hitchcock as head coach. Decent possibility Hitchcock stays on as an advisor.



Anyone else hear the loudest YES coming from McDavid's house?



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Stauffer threw Todd Nelson's name out there. He was hired by Holland/Detroit to coach their AHL affiliate after leaving the Oilers.


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I found it pretty interesting that he hadn't even been officially announce by the team and he already called up Hitch to tell him he wasn't coming back. Not wasting anytime I see.


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RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 07 May 2019 15:30

I found it pretty interesting that he hadn't even been officially announce by the team and he already called up Hitch to tell him he wasn't coming back. Not wasting anytime I see.


That only makes sense.

You can't go in to that first press conference planning to axe the coach and not have bothered to talk to him yet, because you already know it's one of the questions you're going to get asked.

Only MacTavish wouldn't be prepared at all for that.



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Adam wrote on Tue, 07 May 2019 15:32

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 07 May 2019 15:30

I found it pretty interesting that he hadn't even been officially announce by the team and he already called up Hitch to tell him he wasn't coming back. Not wasting anytime I see.


That only makes sense.

You can't go in to that first press conference planning to axe the coach and not have bothered to talk to him yet, because you already know it's one of the questions you're going to get asked.

Only MacTavish wouldn't be prepared at all for that.

Well in my opinion, previous guys would have said they had to evaluate first before making a decision. My point was there is nothing to evaluate. I am not patting him on the back for doing what I think is blatantly obvious. What I am doing is acknowledging that for a change, someone in charge actually did what should be a no brainer in my opinion which is a change from the norm.



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RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 07 May 2019 15:48

Adam wrote on Tue, 07 May 2019 15:32

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 07 May 2019 15:30

I found it pretty interesting that he hadn't even been officially announce by the team and he already called up Hitch to tell him he wasn't coming back. Not wasting anytime I see.


That only makes sense.

You can't go in to that first press conference planning to axe the coach and not have bothered to talk to him yet, because you already know it's one of the questions you're going to get asked.

Only MacTavish wouldn't be prepared at all for that.

Well in my opinion, previous guys would have said they had to evaluate first before making a decision. My point was there is nothing to evaluate. I am not patting him on the back for doing what I think is blatantly obvious. What I am doing is acknowledging that for a change, someone in charge actually did what should be a no brainer in my opinion which is a change from the norm.


Except it's exactly the same as Chiarelli did...but I agree it is a no-brainer to deal with the obvious question you know is about to get asked.



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smyth260 wrote on Tue, 07 May 2019 15:21

Stauffer threw Todd Nelson's name out there. He was hired by Holland/Detroit to coach their AHL affiliate after leaving the Oilers.


Ya, I'm not sure about Nelson. Pretty inexperienced.

Is there a way we could bring him in but give him a mentor to help him ease into the job?



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NetBOG wrote on Tue, 07 May 2019 15:44

smyth260 wrote on Tue, 07 May 2019 15:21

Stauffer threw Todd Nelson's name out there. He was hired by Holland/Detroit to coach their AHL affiliate after leaving the Oilers.


Ya, I'm not sure about Nelson. Pretty inexperienced.

Is there a way we could bring him in but give him a mentor to help him ease into the job?

ASSOCIATE COACH! Yes! That is how we operate around here! Makes it much simpler to get rid of the guy we are about to hire in a year or two.



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CrudeRemarks wrote on Tue, 07 May 2019 15:48

NetBOG wrote on Tue, 07 May 2019 15:44

smyth260 wrote on Tue, 07 May 2019 15:21

Stauffer threw Todd Nelson's name out there. He was hired by Holland/Detroit to coach their AHL affiliate after leaving the Oilers.


Ya, I'm not sure about Nelson. Pretty inexperienced.

Is there a way we could bring him in but give him a mentor to help him ease into the job?

ASSOCIATE COACH! Yes! That is how we operate around here! Makes it much simpler to get rid of the guy we are about to hire in a year or two.


I'm not sure that's the best route with Nelson.

I think if he were hired, you'd really want someone to show him the ropes directly. Call it training wheels if you will. Not sure how long that guy would need to be there...maybe 5 games, maybe 10...but you'd need to make sure there was someone there.

Anyone have any thoughts on who might be available and willing to do a job like that?



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Adam wrote on Tue, 07 May 2019 19:50

CrudeRemarks wrote on Tue, 07 May 2019 15:48

NetBOG wrote on Tue, 07 May 2019 15:44

smyth260 wrote on Tue, 07 May 2019 15:21

Stauffer threw Todd Nelson's name out there. He was hired by Holland/Detroit to coach their AHL affiliate after leaving the Oilers.


Ya, I'm not sure about Nelson. Pretty inexperienced.

Is there a way we could bring him in but give him a mentor to help him ease into the job?

ASSOCIATE COACH! Yes! That is how we operate around here! Makes it much simpler to get rid of the guy we are about to hire in a year or two.


I'm not sure that's the best route with Nelson.

I think if he were hired, you'd really want someone to show him the ropes directly. Call it training wheels if you will. Not sure how long that guy would need to be there...maybe 5 games, maybe 10...but you'd need to make sure there was someone there.

Anyone have any thoughts on who might be available and willing to do a job like that?


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HNIC was saying that Dave Tippett might get involved. Right now he's helping with Seattle, but doesn't want to wait a few more years and would rather coach now.


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Friedman just said on HNIC that Ralph Krueger is going to be the Sabres head coach.


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nullterm wrote on Tue, 14 May 2019 20:00

Friedman just said on HNIC that Ralph Krueger is going to be the Sabres head coach.


Best of luck to him. Hope he can turn that sad sack team around.

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Ralph Krueger going to coach the Sabres. Guy would rather coach in Buffalo than have Connor McDavid under Oilers management and ownership.


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CrudeRemarks wrote on Tue, 14 May 2019 20:01

Ralph Krueger going to coach the Sabres. Guy would rather coach in Buffalo than have Connor McDavid under Oilers management and ownership.


in defense of the Sabres it isnt like he is walking into a team of nobodies. Much like when the Oilers won the lottery the consolation prize isnt half bad.

Buff has some serious roster issues to over come but have some real solid pieces in place going forward.

As of today (IE not knowing what Holland will do) I would bet they finish above the Oilers next year.



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PlusOne wrote on Tue, 14 May 2019 23:15

CrudeRemarks wrote on Tue, 14 May 2019 20:01

Ralph Krueger going to coach the Sabres. Guy would rather coach in Buffalo than have Connor McDavid under Oilers management and ownership.


in defense of the Sabres it isnt like he is walking into a team of nobodies. Much like when the Oilers won the lottery the consolation prize isnt half bad.

Buff has some serious roster issues to over come but have some real solid pieces in place going forward.

As of today (IE not knowing what Holland will do) I would bet they finish above the Oilers next year.

I wouldn't bet against that. Prove us wrong Ken Holland.



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CrudeRemarks wrote on Tue, 14 May 2019 20:01

Ralph Krueger going to coach the Sabres. Guy would rather coach in Buffalo than have Connor McDavid under Oilers management and ownership.

I don't blame Ralph for not wanting to come to the Oilers with how things went down for him. I wouldn't if I was him but at the same time, I don't know if I would want a guy who's been out of hockey completely for 5 yrs as the coach. I would have accepted if he was brought in as a POHO because he's a positive, smart guy who knows how to deal with people. But being out of hockey for 5 years doing managing stuff for a completely different sport, I don't know if that's a good thing. It's going to be a massive, massive adjustment for him going from being a boss of a soccer team to grinding it out as a coach.



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Could be a coaching hire as early as Friday for the Oilers. Tippett remains the front runner, sounds like Todd Nelson won’t be in the mix for the job.



Really sounded like Holland wanted a veteran coach. I'm willing to give Tippett a chance. He did well with some talent coaching Dallas. He had to adjust in Arizona of course, but still got all you could expect out of those lineups. He was like Trotz in Nashville a lot of years, with his most talented player being a dman every year. Yandle leading his team in scoring like Weber was for Nash. It's hard to judge coaches in those situations, aside from just how they are able to adjust to try to make the best use of what they have.



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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 21 May 2019 18:24

Ryan Rishaug @TSNRyanRishaug
Could be a coaching hire as early as Friday for the Oilers. Tippett remains the front runner, sounds like Todd Nelson won’t be in the mix for the job.



Really sounded like Holland wanted a veteran coach. I'm willing to give Tippett a chance. He did well with some talent coaching Dallas. He had to adjust in Arizona of course, but still got all you could expect out of those lineups. He was like Trotz in Nashville a lot of years, with his most talented player being a dman every year. Yandle leading his team in scoring like Weber was for Nash. It's hard to judge coaches in those situations, aside from just how they are able to adjust to try to make the best use of what they have.

The oilers seem to have reached a Tippetting point in their coaching search. Tippett of the hat to Rishaug for the hot Tippett. Nice to see a thorough search this time rather than the Tippettical Oiler move of just choosing their Tippett.



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CrudeRemarks wrote on Tue, 21 May 2019 18:41

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 21 May 2019 18:24

Ryan Rishaug @TSNRyanRishaug
Could be a coaching hire as early as Friday for the Oilers. Tippett remains the front runner, sounds like Todd Nelson won’t be in the mix for the job.



Really sounded like Holland wanted a veteran coach. I'm willing to give Tippett a chance. He did well with some talent coaching Dallas. He had to adjust in Arizona of course, but still got all you could expect out of those lineups. He was like Trotz in Nashville a lot of years, with his most talented player being a dman every year. Yandle leading his team in scoring like Weber was for Nash. It's hard to judge coaches in those situations, aside from just how they are able to adjust to try to make the best use of what they have.

The oilers seem to have reached a Tippetting point in their coaching search. Tippett of the hat to Rishaug for the hot Tippett. Nice to see a thorough search this time rather than the Tippettical Oiler move of just choosing their Tippett.


Gene Principe is on his Tippetty toes in anticipation of this hire.



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CrudeRemarks wrote on Tue, 21 May 2019 18:41

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 21 May 2019 18:24

Ryan Rishaug @TSNRyanRishaug
Could be a coaching hire as early as Friday for the Oilers. Tippett remains the front runner, sounds like Todd Nelson won’t be in the mix for the job.



Really sounded like Holland wanted a veteran coach. I'm willing to give Tippett a chance. He did well with some talent coaching Dallas. He had to adjust in Arizona of course, but still got all you could expect out of those lineups. He was like Trotz in Nashville a lot of years, with his most talented player being a dman every year. Yandle leading his team in scoring like Weber was for Nash. It's hard to judge coaches in those situations, aside from just how they are able to adjust to try to make the best use of what they have.

The oilers seem to have reached a Tippetting point in their coaching search. Tippett of the hat to Rishaug for the hot Tippett. Nice to see a thorough search this time rather than the Tippettical Oiler move of just choosing their Tippett.

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If the guy is Tippet and his name is just too out there to not be him, I am OK with it. I think he is a good coach and when he was in Arizona, those guys played their bags off and won a ton of games with not a lot of talent. One of the issues I think the Oilers have had for a long time is with all the talent they have drafted thanks to sucking, they don't work hard enough and they don't have much push back. As long as a team doesn't get into a chance trading game, if they press the Oilers at all, the Oilers fold time and time again. I am also not worrying about the offense because when you have elite players like McDavid and Leon, the offense will come. It's the defensive game they need to fix. They give up WAY too many goals.

When the Oilers made the playoffs in 2016-2017 and didn't have wing problems, they scored 247 and allowed 212. They got 8 goals from Pouliot, 12 goals from Klefbom and 8 from Sekera. This season they scored 232 goals and allowed 274 with their wing issues. Klefbom scored 5 goals this season while missed 21 games because of a broken fingers plus when he came back I am sure he wasn't totally right. If he doesn't break fingers, I am sure conservatively he scored 3 more? Sekera scored zero. So if he was healthy for a full season or your had a full time replacement, that guy could score you conservatively 3-4? Rieder scored zero. In reality, even a bad season for probably any other player making 2 mill is 8 goals that Pouliot scored. So there is your 15 goals to equal 2016-2017 even with wing issues. So I am not worried that a guy like Tippet will stop offense. What they need more is to cut down on the goals against.



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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 22 May 2019 08:27

If the guy is Tippet and his name is just too out there to not be him, I am OK with it. I think he is a good coach and when he was in Arizona, those guys played their bags off and won a ton of games with not a lot of talent. One of the issues I think the Oilers have had for a long time is with all the talent they have drafted thanks to sucking, they don't work hard enough and they don't have much push back. As long as a team doesn't get into a chance trading game, if they press the Oilers at all, the Oilers fold time and time again. I am also not worrying about the offense because when you have elite players like McDavid and Leon, the offense will come. It's the defensive game they need to fix. They give up WAY too many goals.

When the Oilers made the playoffs in 2016-2017 and didn't have wing problems, they scored 247 and allowed 212. They got 8 goals from Pouliot, 12 goals from Klefbom and 8 from Sekera. This season they scored 232 goals and allowed 274 with their wing issues. Klefbom scored 5 goals this season while missed 21 games because of a broken fingers plus when he came back I am sure he wasn't totally right. If he doesn't break fingers, I am sure conservatively he scored 3 more? Sekera scored zero. So if he was healthy for a full season or your had a full time replacement, that guy could score you conservatively 3-4? Rieder scored zero. In reality, even a bad season for probably any other player making 2 mill is 8 goals that Pouliot scored. So there is your 15 goals to equal 2016-2017 even with wing issues. So I am not worried that a guy like Tippet will stop offense. What they need more is to cut down on the goals against.


Heard some interesting things on Tippett...some former players definitely believe he's VERY systems focused and that that could be challenging with a couple of high octane players. Does he give those guys the green light to step out of the system? He's typically coached lunchpail teams - not a lot of superstars - so how will he adapt around that?



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Adam wrote on Wed, 22 May 2019 08:45

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 22 May 2019 08:27

If the guy is Tippet and his name is just too out there to not be him, I am OK with it. I think he is a good coach and when he was in Arizona, those guys played their bags off and won a ton of games with not a lot of talent. One of the issues I think the Oilers have had for a long time is with all the talent they have drafted thanks to sucking, they don't work hard enough and they don't have much push back. As long as a team doesn't get into a chance trading game, if they press the Oilers at all, the Oilers fold time and time again. I am also not worrying about the offense because when you have elite players like McDavid and Leon, the offense will come. It's the defensive game they need to fix. They give up WAY too many goals.

When the Oilers made the playoffs in 2016-2017 and didn't have wing problems, they scored 247 and allowed 212. They got 8 goals from Pouliot, 12 goals from Klefbom and 8 from Sekera. This season they scored 232 goals and allowed 274 with their wing issues. Klefbom scored 5 goals this season while missed 21 games because of a broken fingers plus when he came back I am sure he wasn't totally right. If he doesn't break fingers, I am sure conservatively he scored 3 more? Sekera scored zero. So if he was healthy for a full season or your had a full time replacement, that guy could score you conservatively 3-4? Rieder scored zero. In reality, even a bad season for probably any other player making 2 mill is 8 goals that Pouliot scored. So there is your 15 goals to equal 2016-2017 even with wing issues. So I am not worried that a guy like Tippet will stop offense. What they need more is to cut down on the goals against.


Heard some interesting things on Tippett...some former players definitely believe he's VERY systems focused and that that could be challenging with a couple of high octane players. Does he give those guys the green light to step out of the system? He's typically coached lunchpail teams - not a lot of superstars - so how will he adapt around that?


Lots of offensive guys did have good years under him. He always allowed Yandle to do whatever he wanted and rack up points. Just...he didn't have much else in Arizona. In Dallas lots of guys put up points when he actually had talent on his team. Zubov's best offensive season as a Star came under Tippett on the tail end of his career. Arnott's best offensive year was under him as well. Maybe some of that has to do with the 05/06 rule change :) But dallas was still #9 in the league in scoring, while depending on a lot of old guys to carry the load.

It's hard to judge because he spent so much of his coaching career with a lack of talent. But there are still examples where he let talent do their thing under him.

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If what Adam says is true and he is heavy into system play but his system results in the Oilers winning more games, making the playoffs and maybe one day a cup, is that a bad thing? As much as I love seeing McDavid going for scoring titles, if better system play helps the Oilers win and as a result McDavid puts up 100 pts in stead of 116, I am OK with that. McDavid and Leon haven't even peaked yet in their overall development as players so I am not too worried about their offense dropping off but if it did happen to drop off slightly but the Oilers are a way more successful team, oh well.

In saying that, sometimes better system play results in players having better years offensively because they have the puck more and spend more time in the offensive zone rather than doing what the Oilers do which is spend more than half their shifts chasing the other team in efforts to get the puck. At the end of the day, they need to win more games.

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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 22 May 2019 09:25

If what Adam says is true and he is heavy into system play but his system results in the Oilers winning more games, making the playoffs and maybe one day a cup, is that a bad thing? As much as I love seeing McDavid going for scoring titles, if better system play helps the Oilers win and as a result McDavid puts up 100 pts in stead of 116, I am OK with that. McDavid and Leon haven't even peaked yet in their overall development as players so I am not too worried about their offense dropping off but if it did happen to drop off slightly but the Oilers are a way more successful team, oh well.

In saying that, sometimes better system play results in players having better years offensively because they have the puck more and spend more time in the offensive zone rather than doing what the Oilers do which is spend more than half their shifts chasing the other team in efforts to get the puck. At the end of the day, they need to win more games.


One of the problems that the Oilers have had throughout the years, is leaning too heavily on their stars, which doesn't allow lower lines to develop and score. This reflects the savior complex that the team has, where they want a single person to take carry the team and take it to the promised land. For goodness sake, we've even called one of the players Jesus. There are reasons that Toby and Strome didn't score here, and the over-focus on star players was a significant factor. I look forward to a more balanced approach if indeed it comes.



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