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So, when does Chia get the can?[ 54 vote(s) ]
1.End of December - He isn't making it beyond the halfway point of the season. 9 / 17%
2.Just before the trade deadline - This assumes that the team is still in contention by then. 5 / 9%
3.The end of the season - Katz will finally get off his ass and clean out the entire front office. 31 / 57%
4.He won't be canned - it was all TMac's fault that the team sucked. 9 / 17%

So, one down, at least one more to go. Of course, I agree that the entire @#%@!$! OBC should be dumped, but since that's not likely to happen, let's just focus on how much more borrowed time Chiapet has after using his "Get out of Jail Free" card. At this point, I don't see him lasting beyond the halfway point of the season, especially with Stevie Y floating around out there (whom Bobby Burgers also has a history with, btw). What does everyone think?



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Just do it already!

And then throw money at Yzerman or John Davidson. Someone, please save this stupid organization.



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I shouldn't be surprised at the 2 people so far who think that Chia isn't getting canned given how godawful the front office has been. However, I am just optimistic enough to think that something will be done about him before this season is done, just like I was about TMac before he got the ax.


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Ragnarok73 wrote on Wed, 05 December 2018 20:02

I shouldn't be surprised at the 2 people so far who think that Chia isn't getting canned given how godawful the front office has been. However, I am just optimistic enough to think that something will be done about him before this season is done, just like I was about TMac before he got the ax.

Now you’re more optimistic than me! Hahaha

I think he at LEAST lasts the duration of the season. Another lost one. Another year of meaningless Oilers hockey with McDavid. Mind you... likely result no matter the GM tomorrow.

At least we have Progaganda Minister Stauffer telling us there is an internal solution to offensive right D with Bouchard, Persson, Jones and Bear on their way. Soooo 2 more meaningless seasons on the way?



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Ragnarok73 wrote on Wed, 05 December 2018 19:02

I shouldn't be surprised at the 2 people so far who think that Chia isn't getting canned given how godawful the front office has been. However, I am just optimistic enough to think that something will be done about him before this season is done, just like I was about TMac before he got the ax.

I voted no firing because the front office is terrible and McDavid is probably good enough to drag this sad team near a playoff spot. That’s all the oilers need to be able to sell hope for next season.



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CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 05 December 2018 19:46

Ragnarok73 wrote on Wed, 05 December 2018 19:02

I shouldn't be surprised at the 2 people so far who think that Chia isn't getting canned given how godawful the front office has been. However, I am just optimistic enough to think that something will be done about him before this season is done, just like I was about TMac before he got the ax.

I voted no firing because the front office is terrible and McDavid is probably good enough to drag this sad team near a playoff spot. That’s all the oilers need to be able to sell hope for next season.

I really don't think that Bobby and the rest of the top Oil brass are really content with the state of the team right now which was why both TMac and Chia were on thin ice going into this season. TMac has fallen into the river and Chia is next. They're not going to wait until this season is down the toilet before making a move- it's likely just a matter of completing negotiations with a replacement (hopefully Stevie Y).



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Ragnarok73 wrote on Wed, 05 December 2018 20:54

CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 05 December 2018 19:46

Ragnarok73 wrote on Wed, 05 December 2018 19:02

I shouldn't be surprised at the 2 people so far who think that Chia isn't getting canned given how godawful the front office has been. However, I am just optimistic enough to think that something will be done about him before this season is done, just like I was about TMac before he got the ax.

I voted no firing because the front office is terrible and McDavid is probably good enough to drag this sad team near a playoff spot. That’s all the oilers need to be able to sell hope for next season.

I really don't think that Bobby and the rest of the top Oil brass are really content with the state of the team right now which was why both TMac and Chia were on thin ice going into this season. TMac has fallen into the river and Chia is next. They're not going to wait until this season is down the toilet before making a move- it's likely just a matter of completing negotiations with a replacement (hopefully Stevie Y).


I don’t think even Stone Cold Steve Austin could save this team, let alone Steve Yzerman.



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 Re: Chia Firing Poll [message #724191 is a reply to message #724144 ]
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Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 05 December 2018 20:04

Ragnarok73 wrote on Wed, 05 December 2018 20:54

CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 05 December 2018 19:46

Ragnarok73 wrote on Wed, 05 December 2018 19:02

I shouldn't be surprised at the 2 people so far who think that Chia isn't getting canned given how godawful the front office has been. However, I am just optimistic enough to think that something will be done about him before this season is done, just like I was about TMac before he got the ax.

I voted no firing because the front office is terrible and McDavid is probably good enough to drag this sad team near a playoff spot. That’s all the oilers need to be able to sell hope for next season.

I really don't think that Bobby and the rest of the top Oil brass are really content with the state of the team right now which was why both TMac and Chia were on thin ice going into this season. TMac has fallen into the river and Chia is next. They're not going to wait until this season is down the toilet before making a move- it's likely just a matter of completing negotiations with a replacement (hopefully Stevie Y).


I don’t think even Stone Cold Steve Austin could save this team, let alone Steve Yzerman.


I don’t have a lot of belief in Steve Yzerman as the answer. I suspect he had a very strong management team around him in Tampa. Generally, I don’t believe most former players are cut out for a job as a manager. They don’t have any of the right experience.

If I were in Katz’s shoes, I’d do an exhaustive search and collect as
Many ideas as possible on how to fix the team. Interview everyone you can, ask them all what they’d do to fix the mess made by Lowe/Chia/MacT/Nicholson, take meticulous notes on all of it. Pick the person who’s best equipped for the job - skill and experience at negotiations, ability to delegate, lack of fear when it comes to hiring people smarter than them and openness to new ideas, decisive when necessary (ie. not Tambellini)but not impulsive (ie. not MacTavish). Give that person all the notes from all the interviews and let them see what they can do to turn the ship around...




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 Re: Chia Firing Poll [message #724197 is a reply to message #724191 ]
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Adam wrote on Wed, 05 December 2018 22:13

If I were in Katz’s shoes, I’d do an exhaustive search and collect as
Many ideas as possible on how to fix the team. Interview everyone you can, ask them all what they’d do to fix the mess made by Lowe/Chia/MacT/Nicholson, take meticulous notes on all of it. Pick the person who’s best equipped for the job - skill and experience at negotiations, ability to delegate, lack of fear when it comes to hiring people smarter than them and openness to new ideas, decisive when necessary (ie. not Tambellini)but not impulsive (ie. not MacTavish). Give that person all the notes from all the interviews and let them see what they can do to turn the ship around...


This is as pleasant a fantasy as the one I've had about being surrounded by hot-ass large-breasted women on a pile of cash bigger than any of the Great Pyramids. We can all dream because illusion is preferable to despair....



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Ragnarok73 wrote on Thu, 06 December 2018 02:13


This is as pleasant a fantasy as the one I've had about being surrounded by hot-ass large-breasted women on a pile of cash bigger than any of the Great Pyramids. We can all dream because illusion is preferable to despair....


Wait...Sounds eerily similar to my fantasy, except it isn’t the pile of cash that’s bigger than any of the Great Pyramids. icon_eek



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Adam wrote on Wed, 05 December 2018 23:13

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 05 December 2018 20:04

Ragnarok73 wrote on Wed, 05 December 2018 20:54

CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 05 December 2018 19:46

Ragnarok73 wrote on Wed, 05 December 2018 19:02

I shouldn't be surprised at the 2 people so far who think that Chia isn't getting canned given how godawful the front office has been. However, I am just optimistic enough to think that something will be done about him before this season is done, just like I was about TMac before he got the ax.

I voted no firing because the front office is terrible and McDavid is probably good enough to drag this sad team near a playoff spot. That’s all the oilers need to be able to sell hope for next season.

I really don't think that Bobby and the rest of the top Oil brass are really content with the state of the team right now which was why both TMac and Chia were on thin ice going into this season. TMac has fallen into the river and Chia is next. They're not going to wait until this season is down the toilet before making a move- it's likely just a matter of completing negotiations with a replacement (hopefully Stevie Y).


I don’t think even Stone Cold Steve Austin could save this team, let alone Steve Yzerman.


I don’t have a lot of belief in Steve Yzerman as the answer. I suspect he had a very strong management team around him in Tampa. Generally, I don’t believe most former players are cut out for a job as a manager. They don’t have any of the right experience.

If I were in Katz’s shoes, I’d do an exhaustive search and collect as
Many ideas as possible on how to fix the team. Interview everyone you can, ask them all what they’d do to fix the mess made by Lowe/Chia/MacT/Nicholson, take meticulous notes on all of it. Pick the person who’s best equipped for the job - skill and experience at negotiations, ability to delegate, lack of fear when it comes to hiring people smarter than them and openness to new ideas, decisive when necessary (ie. not Tambellini)but not impulsive (ie. not MacTavish). Give that person all the notes from all the interviews and let them see what they can do to turn the ship around...




Agree fully on Steve, as well as your take on former players as GM.

However, I’d argue that, in fact, they have the person that ticks those boxes currently employed, as you describe;
Skill and experience at negotiations? Former attorney AND GM. Check.
Ability to delegate? Don’t you know Keith made the 1 for 1s? Check.
No fear in hiring someone smarter and openness to new ideas? Keith sure makes a fine 1 for 1, hey?. Check.
Decisive when necessary? Needed a G to push Talbot, enter Koski. Check.
Not impulsive? The audit is on its 4th season. Check.

All in all, Chia checks those boxes. No changes to off-ice personnel required! Let’s move Lucic to RNH’s wing and change the bottom 6 F and bottom D pair, that’s what we need... I digress.

It’s a mess, and no I’m not referring to Mark. But even though there needs to be a nearly full roster and organizational overhaul, you’d believe there would be people lining up to Grant Mac to sit in Chia’s chair at Rogers and the chance to be the GM for a team employing the greatest player in the game, no matter the headaches that will ensue to get this ship righted.

Chiarelli has to be on the hot seat. But the problem is, what good will his release do when the cancer is still routed much deeper in the hockey ops and management side? Problem being, Katz will never admit to his hockey card collection being the cause.

In closing, it won’t matter if it’s Peter Chiarelli, Lou Lamoriello, Ken Holland or Adam. When the GM looks around the table at meetings and sees the former management team that led this franchise into the DoD STILL EMPLOYED, you know you have no hope in fixing it.



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CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 05 December 2018 19:46

Ragnarok73 wrote on Wed, 05 December 2018 19:02

I shouldn't be surprised at the 2 people so far who think that Chia isn't getting canned given how godawful the front office has been. However, I am just optimistic enough to think that something will be done about him before this season is done, just like I was about TMac before he got the ax.

I voted no firing because the front office is terrible and McDavid is probably good enough to drag this sad team near a playoff spot. That’s all the oilers need to be able to sell hope for next season.


I chose to answer this as when SHOULD they fire Chia - the answer is as soon as freakin’ possible. Realistically, I think the Oilers are afraid to do that. If things don’t immediately turn around, there might be calls for more blood at season’s end, and so the best way to insulate the superfriends in management is to keep Chia and fire him at the end of the year if the team fails to make the playoff or flames out early.

The danger point with this team is that if they won a single playoff round, the team might feel that was reason to think all was fine and maintain the status quo...with obvious disastrous results following.



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Wouldn’t it be prudent to do an internal audit first?




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g2k wrote on Wed, 05 December 2018 21:26

Wouldn’t it be prudent to do an internal audit first?




Correct, sir. Those are done during a Wine Summit, yeah? So. Summer?



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Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 05 December 2018 20:27

g2k wrote on Wed, 05 December 2018 21:26

Wouldn’t it be prudent to do an internal audit first?




Correct, sir. Those are done during a Wine Summit, yeah? So. Summer?

Maybe Summer of 2020.



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Ragnarok73 wrote on Wed, 05 December 2018 21:28

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 05 December 2018 20:27

g2k wrote on Wed, 05 December 2018 21:26

Wouldn’t it be prudent to do an internal audit first?




Correct, sir. Those are done during a Wine Summit, yeah? So. Summer?

Maybe Summer of 2020.


Ha. How incredible would it be for Chia to become the Seattle GM, hire TMac as his HC and they do what VGK did year 1... faint rofl



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Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 05 December 2018 20:27

g2k wrote on Wed, 05 December 2018 21:26

Wouldn’t it be prudent to do an internal audit first?




Correct, sir. Those are done during a Wine Summit, yeah? So. Summer?


I think the self-evaluation sheets have been handed out. But yeah, they get until July 1st to fill them out.



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None of the above, he only gets canned if the Oil miss the playoffs. And Katz will never clear out Uncles Kevin, Craig and Wayne.

Firing Chia would be like changing the toilet seat in an outhouse- bright new look but same old stink.




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Short of hand delivering the Cup to Katz, he's gone this summer. But he's the only casualty. Keith Gretzky is his replacement. 20% chance Chiarelli gets a promotion.


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Why wait? The damage is done.


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philly boy wrote on Thu, 06 December 2018 09:13

Why wait? The damage is done.


Then I guess there is no harm in waiting. icon_wink



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I voted he won't be canned. Not because it was TMac's fault but because Oilers.


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airdrieoil wrote on Thu, 06 December 2018 12:48

I voted he won't be canned. Not because it was TMac's fault but because Oilers.

The part about it being TMac's fault is the excuse they'd use to keep Chia around. After all, it's not like Chia built a crap team around the best player on the planet, it's that TMac mismanaged them on the ice while he was the HC.

Unfortunately, it looks like Hitch could very well have saved Chia's job if he can keep getting the team to play like they have. I wonder how much better this team could be if they actually had consistent scoring outside of #97 and a legit 1-2 Dman....



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Makes no sense to fire him now. This season is bought and paid for. He definitely needs to go in the summer though. Just hope he doesn't make any drastic trades before now and then cause he sucks hard at that.


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