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I'm not saying we should, by any stretch, but what would it take to move Draistaitl out of Edmonton? Not a typical Chia trade, where we only get Matt Dumba back, but a real one.



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Dragon_Matt wrote on Sat, 18 November 2017 09:43

I'm not saying we should, by any stretch, but what would it take to move Draistaitl out of Edmonton? Not a typical Chia trade, where we only get Matt Dumba back, but a real one.



I don't want to contemplate this because it's unlikely we win a trade like that and I think the GM has a horrendous record for making these kinds of deals and losing horribly on them.



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Adam wrote on Sat, 18 November 2017 11:34

Dragon_Matt wrote on Sat, 18 November 2017 09:43

I'm not saying we should, by any stretch, but what would it take to move Draistaitl out of Edmonton? Not a typical Chia trade, where we only get Matt Dumba back, but a real one.



I don't want to contemplate this because it's unlikely we win a trade like that and I think the GM has a horrendous record for making these kinds of deals and losing horribly on them.


Treenasoil tweeted that Chia has been told he's not allowed to trade RNH.

One rumor I really hope is true. Chia should not be allowed to trade any more of our home grown higher end skill guys (Nuge and Klef specifically if we're talking realistic possibilities, and obvious Drai if we're imagining Chia totally freaking out). Firstly because he's done that enough. Secondly because he is simply not good at big trades and our pro scouting clearly has not improved.

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Kr55 wrote on Sat, 18 November 2017 10:53

Adam wrote on Sat, 18 November 2017 11:34

Dragon_Matt wrote on Sat, 18 November 2017 09:43

I'm not saying we should, by any stretch, but what would it take to move Draistaitl out of Edmonton? Not a typical Chia trade, where we only get Matt Dumba back, but a real one.



I don't want to contemplate this because it's unlikely we win a trade like that and I think the GM has a horrendous record for making these kinds of deals and losing horribly on them.


Treenasoil tweeted that Chia has been told he's not allowed to trade RNH.

One rumor I really hope is true. Chia should not be allowed to trade any more of our home grown higher end skill guys (Nuge and Klef specifically if we're talking realistic possibilities, and obvious Drai if we're imagining Chia totally freaking out). Firstly because he's done that enough. Secondly because he is simply not good at big trades and our pro scouting clearly has not improved.


Is Treena very active these days? was there any chatter before the Cammelarri trade??

Don't bother just found her/his twitter, it used to be private.

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I would never trade Draisaitl. The best way to construct a team in my opinion is on defense and at center. Yes right now he's not technically at center but if you watch what line he is on, he's the guy taking a lot of faceoffs so he's basically the center. Drai is going to be a point per game or close to it center for the next 10+years and given his age, he's now even done developing yet. He's only 22 and he's got just over 200 games under his belt. So he's not even close to being as good as he will be. For me to even pick up the phone, you'd have to have a guaranteed 50+ point, 25 min, right shot, decent defending dman as a starter and I would want that guy to be like 24-25 yrs old max. I don't even know if that guy exists. I don't want a 27, 28 yr old dman because I know that for the next 10+ yrs Leon is going to be a superstar. So I want a dman who I know I have at 8-10 years of being ELITE. As an example. I wouldn't take Doughty for him because he turns 28 this year. For a lot players, once they hit that 33-34, there is a drop off. For Doughty, that is in 5 years. In 5 years Leon will be 27, will be fully developed and be at his absolute PRIME. So like I said, I don't know if there is a Dman that meets me criteria.


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 Re: Draisaitl [message #703566 is a reply to message #703011 ]
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RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 20 November 2017 09:04

I would never trade Draisaitl. The best way to construct a team in my opinion is on defense and at center. Yes right now he's not technically at center but if you watch what line he is on, he's the guy taking a lot of faceoffs so he's basically the center. Drai is going to be a point per game or close to it center for the next 10+years and given his age, he's now even done developing yet. He's only 22 and he's got just over 200 games under his belt. So he's not even close to being as good as he will be. For me to even pick up the phone, you'd have to have a guaranteed 50+ point, 25 min, right shot, decent defending dman as a starter and I would want that guy to be like 24-25 yrs old max. I don't even know if that guy exists. I don't want a 27, 28 yr old dman because I know that for the next 10+ yrs Leon is going to be a superstar. So I want a dman who I know I have at 8-10 years of being ELITE. As an example. I wouldn't take Doughty for him because he turns 28 this year. For a lot players, once they hit that 33-34, there is a drop off. For Doughty, that is in 5 years. In 5 years Leon will be 27, will be fully developed and be at his absolute PRIME. So like I said, I don't know if there is a Dman that meets me criteria.


It goes back to the debate over the Hall trade. Hall is a game-changer, and when you move one out, one should be coming back. So if you're dealing your 2nd best player (at the time), add the piece or two to get your elite D.

Talking about Drai, I don't want him dealt either, and I don't really trust PC to make the big deal, because...has he won any recently? The fact remains though, that prior to Hall being moved, Eberle being moved, the Oilers needed that #1 blueliner that could anchor the top pair, move the puck, run the PP, kill penalties, log 28 minutes. Those guys are gone, and the Oilers STILL need that guy. Those guys are available, they've moved recently. I would rather have seen something added to Hall to get the guy you really need. Now the ranks are pretty thin, they've heavily invested in Draisatl and they're never going to get the D they really needed. Pretty sad.



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K.McC#24 wrote on Fri, 24 November 2017 23:31

they're never going to get the D they really needed. Pretty sad.


Huh? What the hell are you talking about? That guy (Dahlin) is coming in 7 months. All part of the plan.



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 Re: Draisaitl [message #703635 is a reply to message #703566 ]
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K.McC#24 wrote on Fri, 24 November 2017 20:31


It goes back to the debate over the Hall trade. Hall is a game-changer, and when you move one out, one should be coming back. So if you're dealing your 2nd best player (at the time), add the piece or two to get your elite D.

Talking about Drai, I don't want him dealt either, and I don't really trust PC to make the big deal, because...has he won any recently? The fact remains though, that prior to Hall being moved, Eberle being moved, the Oilers needed that #1 blueliner that could anchor the top pair, move the puck, run the PP, kill penalties, log 28 minutes. Those guys are gone, and the Oilers STILL need that guy. Those guys are available, they've moved recently. I would rather have seen something added to Hall to get the guy you really need. Now the ranks are pretty thin, they've heavily invested in Draisatl and they're never going to get the D they really needed. Pretty sad.



Here's my worry. It's bleak in Oilers-ville and the pressure on Chiarelli's gone from very little to a full boil very quickly. He is going to be desperate to save his job if this continues because he's not a true Old Boy, and he might get shoved under the bus...

So what are his options? Fire the coach or make a trade. If there is a feeling within the organization that he's ultimately to blame and the coach didn't have an adequate lineup, then he may not be allowed to let McLellan go, so who can he trade?

There's not a lot of Oilers with a lot of value right now...not enough to make a real splash...but Nugent-Hopkins is playing well, and Draisaitl is quietly a point a game player still... Nurse has real value, but he's the team's favourite son (other than Connor). So I'm scared of his next move. He is likely to lose any trade he makes including #93 and #29 because A) he sucks at this part of the job and B) everyone is going to smell his desperation...

That rumour out of Boston has me worried...



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Adam wrote on Sat, 25 November 2017 21:20



That rumour out of Boston has me worried...

Which rumor?



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CrusaderPi wrote on Sat, 25 November 2017 22:10

Adam wrote on Sat, 25 November 2017 21:20



That rumour out of Boston has me worried...

Which rumor?


This one, from a Bruins beat reporter:

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Hearing lots of chatter that Edmonton Oilers & NHLBruins have had (and I stress!), EXPLORATORY talks regarding C Ryan Nugent-Hopkins. Asked a trusted source on this & he confirmed. Apparently Oilers are interested in B's rookies Danton Heinen & Peter Cehlarik.



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Adam wrote on Sun, 26 November 2017 02:47

CrusaderPi wrote on Sat, 25 November 2017 22:10

Adam wrote on Sat, 25 November 2017 21:20



That rumour out of Boston has me worried...

Which rumor?


This one, from a Bruins beat reporter:

Quote:

Jimmy Murphy @MurphysLaw74
Nov 24
Hearing lots of chatter that Edmonton Oilers & NHLBruins have had (and I stress!), EXPLORATORY talks regarding C Ryan Nugent-Hopkins. Asked a trusted source on this & he confirmed. Apparently Oilers are interested in B's rookies Danton Heinen & Peter Cehlarik.



He forgot #rebuild #developmentyear.

Actually, the Bruins have no cap space at all, so I assume the rookies would come with Chara. Cancel the hashtags, we’re going for it all.



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Adam wrote on Sun, 26 November 2017 03:47

CrusaderPi wrote on Sat, 25 November 2017 22:10

Adam wrote on Sat, 25 November 2017 21:20



That rumour out of Boston has me worried...

Which rumor?


This one, from a Bruins beat reporter:

Quote:

Jimmy Murphy @MurphysLaw74
Nov 24
Hearing lots of chatter that Edmonton Oilers & NHLBruins have had (and I stress!), EXPLORATORY talks regarding C Ryan Nugent-Hopkins. Asked a trusted source on this & he confirmed. Apparently Oilers are interested in B's rookies Danton Heinen & Peter Cehlarik.



Admittedly I have no idea about those two guys. That said;
It would be oh so Oilers to trade RNH for those two. Those rookies are 22, RNH is 24.
I can see the headlines now, "Oilers lose patience waiting for former first overall to develop into impact player"
"Oilers trade for two young prospects and save 5 million in cap space"



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Adam wrote on Sun, 26 November 2017 02:47

CrusaderPi wrote on Sat, 25 November 2017 22:10

Adam wrote on Sat, 25 November 2017 21:20



That rumour out of Boston has me worried...

Which rumor?


This one, from a Bruins beat reporter:

Quote:

Jimmy Murphy @MurphysLaw74
Nov 24
Hearing lots of chatter that Edmonton Oilers & NHLBruins have had (and I stress!), EXPLORATORY talks regarding C Ryan Nugent-Hopkins. Asked a trusted source on this & he confirmed. Apparently Oilers are interested in B's rookies Danton Heinen & Peter Cehlarik.


Oh god.



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I know you think I seek out your posts but it's actually the opposite. I ignore most and only reply to the absolute worst, like this one as it is so full ridiculous information that directly contradicts your other posts.


RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 20 November 2017 10:04

The best way to construct a team in my opinion is on defense and at center. Yes right now he's not technically at center but if you watch what line he is on, he's the guy taking a lot of faceoffs so he's basically the center.


Taking the faceoff is about 5% of playing center, the responsibility in all three zones is the other 95%, especially the defensive zone. As you like to say, that isnt opinion, that is fact. As that applies Drai is 95% winger right now. That doesnt mean he wont be a darn good center one day but right now he sure isnt.

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 20 November 2017 10:04

In 5 years Leon will be 27, will be fully developed and be at his absolute PRIME.


So 27 is absolute PRIME, yet Eberle is past his prime and had no chance of bouncing back from what you chose to define as terrible year? I will give you one guess how old he is.

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 20 November 2017 10:04

you'd have to have a guaranteed 50+ point, 25 min, right shot, decent defending dman as a starter and I would want that guy to be like 24-25 yrs old max.


You accuse people of overvaluing Hall, Eberle yet you think one of the rarest of NHL players is what you would need to trade Draisaitl? Ok then

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 20 November 2017 10:04

I know that for the next 10+ yrs Leon is going to be a superstar.


I think you should be GM if you know this. I hope he is. I think he had a really good year playing WING with McDavid and was a beast in the playoffs playing mostly center. This year he has been good but far from superstar.

Now I am sure this will fall into the "PlusOne doesnt think RDOF can have an opinion" retort but that would also be incorrect.
I have no problem with others opinions but at least apply them consistently. You cant use the same things to sing the praises of Draisaitl that you used to slam Eberle or Hall.






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PlusOne wrote on Sun, 26 November 2017 09:58

I know you think I seek out your posts but it's actually the opposite. I ignore most and only reply to the absolute worst, like this one as it is so full ridiculous information that directly contradicts your other posts.


RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 20 November 2017 10:04

The best way to construct a team in my opinion is on defense and at center. Yes right now he's not technically at center but if you watch what line he is on, he's the guy taking a lot of faceoffs so he's basically the center.


Taking the faceoff is about 5% of playing center, the responsibility in all three zones is the other 95%, especially the defensive zone. As you like to say, that isnt opinion, that is fact. As that applies Drai is 95% winger right now. That doesnt mean he wont be a darn good center one day but right now he sure isnt.

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 20 November 2017 10:04

In 5 years Leon will be 27, will be fully developed and be at his absolute PRIME.


So 27 is absolute PRIME, yet Eberle is past his prime and had no chance of bouncing back from what you chose to define as terrible year? I will give you one guess how old he is.

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 20 November 2017 10:04

you'd have to have a guaranteed 50+ point, 25 min, right shot, decent defending dman as a starter and I would want that guy to be like 24-25 yrs old max.


You accuse people of overvaluing Hall, Eberle yet you think one of the rarest of NHL players is what you would need to trade Draisaitl? Ok then

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 20 November 2017 10:04

I know that for the next 10+ yrs Leon is going to be a superstar.


I think you should be GM if you know this. I hope he is. I think he had a really good year playing WING with McDavid and was a beast in the playoffs playing mostly center. This year he has been good but far from superstar.

Now I am sure this will fall into the "PlusOne doesnt think RDOF can have an opinion" retort but that would also be incorrect.
I have no problem with others opinions but at least apply them consistently. You cant use the same things to sing the praises of Draisaitl that you used to slam Eberle or Hall.





Oh wow. Plusone dissecting another one of my posts to give him the opportunity to insult and disrespect me again. Gee, I didn't see this one coming.

Have a nice day. icon_thumbsup



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PoolParty wrote on Mon, 27 November 2017 09:56

PlusOne isnt wrong.



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RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 27 November 2017 09:16

PlusOne wrote on Sun, 26 November 2017 09:58

I know you think I seek out your posts but it's actually the opposite. I ignore most and only reply to the absolute worst, like this one as it is so full ridiculous information that directly contradicts your other posts.


RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 20 November 2017 10:04

The best way to construct a team in my opinion is on defense and at center. Yes right now he's not technically at center but if you watch what line he is on, he's the guy taking a lot of faceoffs so he's basically the center.


Taking the faceoff is about 5% of playing center, the responsibility in all three zones is the other 95%, especially the defensive zone. As you like to say, that isnt opinion, that is fact. As that applies Drai is 95% winger right now. That doesnt mean he wont be a darn good center one day but right now he sure isnt.

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 20 November 2017 10:04

In 5 years Leon will be 27, will be fully developed and be at his absolute PRIME.


So 27 is absolute PRIME, yet Eberle is past his prime and had no chance of bouncing back from what you chose to define as terrible year? I will give you one guess how old he is.

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 20 November 2017 10:04

you'd have to have a guaranteed 50+ point, 25 min, right shot, decent defending dman as a starter and I would want that guy to be like 24-25 yrs old max.


You accuse people of overvaluing Hall, Eberle yet you think one of the rarest of NHL players is what you would need to trade Draisaitl? Ok then

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 20 November 2017 10:04

I know that for the next 10+ yrs Leon is going to be a superstar.


I think you should be GM if you know this. I hope he is. I think he had a really good year playing WING with McDavid and was a beast in the playoffs playing mostly center. This year he has been good but far from superstar.

Now I am sure this will fall into the "PlusOne doesnt think RDOF can have an opinion" retort but that would also be incorrect.
I have no problem with others opinions but at least apply them consistently. You cant use the same things to sing the praises of Draisaitl that you used to slam Eberle or Hall.





Oh wow. Plusone dissecting another one of my posts to give him the opportunity to insult and disrespect me again. Gee, I didn't see this one coming.

Have a nice day. icon_thumbsup


You are oh so predicable.
RDOF makes ridiculous statements that add nothing to the collective intelligence that is Oilfans.
then once he is called out on it, takes his ball and hoes home to stroke his own fragile ego.

My nine year old daughter does the same thing. But she ends discussions with "Whatever Dad" then rolls her eyes.

You have a lot of opinions, great, we love that here, but for the love of whatever ghost you pray to, stop being a crybaby if you are challenged on them.

Do you have no response to the case I posed to you as to the double standard you seem to have in your analysis of certain players?
I was very clear in the hypocritical nature of your analysis so please, tell me why one 27 year old is in his prime and one is declining?
Tell me how Draisaitl, who is bringing roughly the same or less, than either Hall or Eberle were bringing, is worth a diamond of an NHL Dman, but those of us that wanted more for Hall and Ebs were insane.

Defend your opinion or crawl into a hole, your call, but if you want respect for your opinions here then earn it.





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PlusOne wrote on Mon, 27 November 2017 09:43

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 27 November 2017 09:16

PlusOne wrote on Sun, 26 November 2017 09:58

I know you think I seek out your posts but it's actually the opposite. I ignore most and only reply to the absolute worst, like this one as it is so full ridiculous information that directly contradicts your other posts.


RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 20 November 2017 10:04

The best way to construct a team in my opinion is on defense and at center. Yes right now he's not technically at center but if you watch what line he is on, he's the guy taking a lot of faceoffs so he's basically the center.


Taking the faceoff is about 5% of playing center, the responsibility in all three zones is the other 95%, especially the defensive zone. As you like to say, that isnt opinion, that is fact. As that applies Drai is 95% winger right now. That doesnt mean he wont be a darn good center one day but right now he sure isnt.

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 20 November 2017 10:04

In 5 years Leon will be 27, will be fully developed and be at his absolute PRIME.


So 27 is absolute PRIME, yet Eberle is past his prime and had no chance of bouncing back from what you chose to define as terrible year? I will give you one guess how old he is.

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 20 November 2017 10:04

you'd have to have a guaranteed 50+ point, 25 min, right shot, decent defending dman as a starter and I would want that guy to be like 24-25 yrs old max.


You accuse people of overvaluing Hall, Eberle yet you think one of the rarest of NHL players is what you would need to trade Draisaitl? Ok then

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 20 November 2017 10:04

I know that for the next 10+ yrs Leon is going to be a superstar.


I think you should be GM if you know this. I hope he is. I think he had a really good year playing WING with McDavid and was a beast in the playoffs playing mostly center. This year he has been good but far from superstar.

Now I am sure this will fall into the "PlusOne doesnt think RDOF can have an opinion" retort but that would also be incorrect.
I have no problem with others opinions but at least apply them consistently. You cant use the same things to sing the praises of Draisaitl that you used to slam Eberle or Hall.





Oh wow. Plusone dissecting another one of my posts to give him the opportunity to insult and disrespect me again. Gee, I didn't see this one coming.

Have a nice day. icon_thumbsup


You are oh so predicable.
RDOF makes ridiculous statements that add nothing to the collective intelligence that is Oilfans.
then once he is called out on it, takes his ball and hoes home to stroke his own fragile ego.

My nine year old daughter does the same thing. But she ends discussions with "Whatever Dad" then rolls her eyes.

You have a lot of opinions, great, we love that here, but for the love of whatever ghost you pray to, stop being a crybaby if you are challenged on them.

Do you have no response to the case I posed to you as to the double standard you seem to have in your analysis of certain players?
I was very clear in the hypocritical nature of your analysis so please, tell me why one 27 year old is in his prime and one is declining?
Tell me how Draisaitl, who is bringing roughly the same or less, than either Hall or Eberle were bringing, is worth a diamond of an NHL Dman, but those of us that wanted more for Hall and Ebs were insane.

Defend your opinion or crawl into a hole, your call, but if you want respect for your opinions here then earn it.




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Thanks for the insults. Have a great day.


Predictable as always. If asking you to intelligently discuss your views on hockey is insulting that is unfortunate.
I would offer to agree with everything you say from now on, just to make life more pleasant for you, but then two of us would be wrong.



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RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 27 November 2017 10:49




Thanks for the insults. Have a great day.


Predictable as always. If asking you to intelligently discuss your views on hockey is insulting that is unfortunate.
I would offer to agree with everything you say from now on, just to make life more pleasant for you, but then two of us would be wrong.


So you get upset that I won't have what you call an intelligent discussion when you start off a post with. "I ignore most and only reply to the absolute worst, like this one as it is so full ridiculous information that directly contradicts your other posts." Then you follow it up by telling me that what I say is ridiculous, that I have a fragile ego and you compare me to a child.

Tell you what. Since apparently you are the intelligent, level headed adult and I am the stupid, ridiculous, don't know what I am talking about child. As the apparent adult, listen to someone talking on the street or at work or even in your home with your wife. Walk up to that person and say "normally I ignore most of what you say because it's ridiculous, stupid and wrong and I think you are a child but ...." I would be curious to know how that person reacts when you start things off by insulting them, insinuating they are less than intelligent and calling a grown adult a child. I wonder how "intelligent" that conversation will be after you go out of their way to disrespect that person right off the hop. You said that respect in here has to be "earned". Great. Well most decent human beings don't walk up to a stranger and immediately disrespect them like you do to me on an almost daily basis.

So go ahead and call me whatever derogatory name or phrase you want because quite frankly, I really don't care. I am not going to engage with an internet tough guy who enjoys insulting complete strangers behind the safety of his computer screen.

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Enough from both of you. Take it to your private messages if you must, this sub-thread adds nothing for the rest of us but cheap entertainment. And I'm trying REALLY hard not to take a side here with my moderator hat on.


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MJ wrote on Mon, 27 November 2017 11:26

Enough from both of you. Take it to your private messages if you must, this sub-thread adds nothing for the rest of us but cheap entertainment. And I'm trying REALLY hard not to take a side here with my moderator hat on.


Fair enough. I'll move on.



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...."51. Leon Draisaitl, C, Edmonton Oilers

What a difference a year makes — that’s all the time it took for the young German to go from breakout star to overpaid headache in the eyes of non-Oilers fans. Draisaitl has all the talent required to live up to the massive expectations surrounding him, but it’s how he handles the growing weight of that eight-year, $68-million deal that will determine how he fares."....

......don't agree that Draisaitl is an "overpaid headache" , but I do think he has to prove his value as a centre on his own line....he's getting the big dollars, but he still has to do his share of the heavy lifting....




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GabbyDugan wrote on Tue, 28 August 2018 08:07

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...."51. Leon Draisaitl, C, Edmonton Oilers

What a difference a year makes — that’s all the time it took for the young German to go from breakout star to overpaid headache in the eyes of non-Oilers fans. Draisaitl has all the talent required to live up to the massive expectations surrounding him, but it’s how he handles the growing weight of that eight-year, $68-million deal that will determine how he fares."....

......don't agree that Draisaitl is an "overpaid headache" , but I do think he has to prove his value as a centre on his own line....he's getting the big dollars, but he still has to do his share of the heavy lifting....


His ranking is about right. Wish it was higher as it would mean he was dominating, but here’s hoping to growth.

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inverno76 wrote on Tue, 28 August 2018 20:24

GabbyDugan wrote on Tue, 28 August 2018 08:07

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/top-100-nhl-players-2018 -19-100-51/


...."51. Leon Draisaitl, C, Edmonton Oilers

What a difference a year makes — that’s all the time it took for the young German to go from breakout star to overpaid headache in the eyes of non-Oilers fans. Draisaitl has all the talent required to live up to the massive expectations surrounding him, but it’s how he handles the growing weight of that eight-year, $68-million deal that will determine how he fares."....

......don't agree that Draisaitl is an "overpaid headache" , but I do think he has to prove his value as a centre on his own line....he's getting the big dollars, but he still has to do his share of the heavy lifting....


His ranking is about right. Wish it was higher as it would mean he was dominating, but here’s hoping to growth.


Keep him on that 2nd line and give him some decent wingers. That's the only way he's going to have a shot to earn his money. On the wing with McDavid, it's weakening the 2nd line too much and hurting the team. On the 3rd line behind Nuge, it's a waste of time and he's playing with scrubs.

Need McLellan to just stick to McDavid and Drai down the middle.



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inverno76 wrote on Tue, 28 August 2018 20:24

GabbyDugan wrote on Tue, 28 August 2018 08:07

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/top-100-nhl-players-2018 -19-100-51/


...."51. Leon Draisaitl, C, Edmonton Oilers

What a difference a year makes — that’s all the time it took for the young German to go from breakout star to overpaid headache in the eyes of non-Oilers fans. Draisaitl has all the talent required to live up to the massive expectations surrounding him, but it’s how he handles the growing weight of that eight-year, $68-million deal that will determine how he fares."....

......don't agree that Draisaitl is an "overpaid headache" , but I do think he has to prove his value as a centre on his own line....he's getting the big dollars, but he still has to do his share of the heavy lifting....


His ranking is about right. Wish it was higher as it would mean he was dominating, but here’s hoping to growth.


They've posted #31-50 now:

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/top-100-nhl-players-2018 -19-50-31/

There's no one in this group that I have a massive issue with someone who isn't an Oilers fan placing above Draisaitl. His sample size is still relatively small and he's overshadowed in Edmonton. Guaranteed, there's lots of people who would believe that McDavid has driven much of Draisaitl's production to date - and they probably have a case to a point.

So, on a trolling note - where do you think Hall will rank?




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inverno76 wrote on Tue, 28 August 2018 20:24

GabbyDugan wrote on Tue, 28 August 2018 08:07

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/top-100-nhl-players-2018 -19-100-51/


...."51. Leon Draisaitl, C, Edmonton Oilers

What a difference a year makes — that’s all the time it took for the young German to go from breakout star to overpaid headache in the eyes of non-Oilers fans. Draisaitl has all the talent required to live up to the massive expectations surrounding him, but it’s how he handles the growing weight of that eight-year, $68-million deal that will determine how he fares."....

......don't agree that Draisaitl is an "overpaid headache" , but I do think he has to prove his value as a centre on his own line....he's getting the big dollars, but he still has to do his share of the heavy lifting....


His ranking is about right. Wish it was higher as it would mean he was dominating, but here’s hoping to growth.


Except it's totally not right. He's 18th in scoring over the last 2 seasons, sandwiched between Jamie Benn and Taylor Hall. He doesn't accumulate PIM and his +/- is dead even, so maybe that affects his fantasy value, but scoring wise, there is nothing to indicate he's anywhere near the 51st best player.



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NetBOG wrote on Tue, 28 August 2018 21:07

inverno76 wrote on Tue, 28 August 2018 20:24

GabbyDugan wrote on Tue, 28 August 2018 08:07

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/top-100-nhl-players-2018 -19-100-51/


...."51. Leon Draisaitl, C, Edmonton Oilers

What a difference a year makes — that’s all the time it took for the young German to go from breakout star to overpaid headache in the eyes of non-Oilers fans. Draisaitl has all the talent required to live up to the massive expectations surrounding him, but it’s how he handles the growing weight of that eight-year, $68-million deal that will determine how he fares."....

......don't agree that Draisaitl is an "overpaid headache" , but I do think he has to prove his value as a centre on his own line....he's getting the big dollars, but he still has to do his share of the heavy lifting....


His ranking is about right. Wish it was higher as it would mean he was dominating, but here’s hoping to growth.


Except it's totally not right. He's 18th in scoring over the last 2 seasons, sandwiched between Jamie Benn and Taylor Hall. He doesn't accumulate PIM and his +/- is dead even, so maybe that affects his fantasy value, but scoring wise, there is nothing to indicate he's anywhere near the 51st best player.


These are probably the same people that put Toews in and Malkin out of the top 100 of all-time. Given that he plays in Edmonton and is over-shadowed by McDavid, it's surprising they even know his name.

Reputation counts for a lot on these kinds of lists. Draisaitl has outscored #50-ranked Toews 147-110 over the past two seasons, but how many non-Oilers fans do you think would rate Draisaitl ahead of Mr. Intangibles? It's impressive he's as low as he is on this list.



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Adam wrote on Tue, 28 August 2018 22:59

NetBOG wrote on Tue, 28 August 2018 21:07

inverno76 wrote on Tue, 28 August 2018 20:24

GabbyDugan wrote on Tue, 28 August 2018 08:07

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/top-100-nhl-players-2018 -19-100-51/


...."51. Leon Draisaitl, C, Edmonton Oilers

What a difference a year makes — that’s all the time it took for the young German to go from breakout star to overpaid headache in the eyes of non-Oilers fans. Draisaitl has all the talent required to live up to the massive expectations surrounding him, but it’s how he handles the growing weight of that eight-year, $68-million deal that will determine how he fares."....

......don't agree that Draisaitl is an "overpaid headache" , but I do think he has to prove his value as a centre on his own line....he's getting the big dollars, but he still has to do his share of the heavy lifting....


His ranking is about right. Wish it was higher as it would mean he was dominating, but here’s hoping to growth.


Except it's totally not right. He's 18th in scoring over the last 2 seasons, sandwiched between Jamie Benn and Taylor Hall. He doesn't accumulate PIM and his +/- is dead even, so maybe that affects his fantasy value, but scoring wise, there is nothing to indicate he's anywhere near the 51st best player.


These are probably the same people that put Toews in and Malkin out of the top 100 of all-time. Given that he plays in Edmonton and is over-shadowed by McDavid, it's surprising they even know his name.

Reputation counts for a lot on these kinds of lists. Draisaitl has outscored #50-ranked Toews 147-110 over the past two seasons, but how many non-Oilers fans do you think would rate Draisaitl ahead of Mr. Intangibles? It's impressive he's as low as he is on this list.


These lists are always a joke. As you said, they are put together by guys who don't have a clue. Malkin not in the top 100 players ever but Toews is because he has a couple of rings.

What's laughable. William Karlsson is above Leon. The guy was a 4th line, borderline NHLer before coming to Vegas. Every thing goes right for him, he shoots the lights out and now he is a top 50 player after 1 season? That's all it takes. It will be interesting to see what happens when he and his team drop down to earth, every team actually prepares for him and his team and doesn't take them lightly.

Barzal is a rookie, had an incredible first season and that means he's a top 50 player? With Tavares gone, he will be the Isles #1 center this season because there is no one to protect him by taking the tough match ups. They have guys like Bailey who had a career year shockingly in his contract year. He will drop way off. With Barzal getting a steady diet of other teams best dmen and best lines, it wouldn't shock me to see Barzal hit maybe 50 pts. As an example, guess who he will probably be going up against when he plays the Oilers? McDavid who will feed him his lunch.

It doesn't bother me and hopefully Leon will look at the list and it fires him up.



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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 29 August 2018 09:08

Adam wrote on Tue, 28 August 2018 22:59

NetBOG wrote on Tue, 28 August 2018 21:07

inverno76 wrote on Tue, 28 August 2018 20:24

GabbyDugan wrote on Tue, 28 August 2018 08:07

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/top-100-nhl-players-2018 -19-100-51/


...."51. Leon Draisaitl, C, Edmonton Oilers

What a difference a year makes — that’s all the time it took for the young German to go from breakout star to overpaid headache in the eyes of non-Oilers fans. Draisaitl has all the talent required to live up to the massive expectations surrounding him, but it’s how he handles the growing weight of that eight-year, $68-million deal that will determine how he fares."....

......don't agree that Draisaitl is an "overpaid headache" , but I do think he has to prove his value as a centre on his own line....he's getting the big dollars, but he still has to do his share of the heavy lifting....


His ranking is about right. Wish it was higher as it would mean he was dominating, but here’s hoping to growth.


Except it's totally not right. He's 18th in scoring over the last 2 seasons, sandwiched between Jamie Benn and Taylor Hall. He doesn't accumulate PIM and his +/- is dead even, so maybe that affects his fantasy value, but scoring wise, there is nothing to indicate he's anywhere near the 51st best player.


These are probably the same people that put Toews in and Malkin out of the top 100 of all-time. Given that he plays in Edmonton and is over-shadowed by McDavid, it's surprising they even know his name.

Reputation counts for a lot on these kinds of lists. Draisaitl has outscored #50-ranked Toews 147-110 over the past two seasons, but how many non-Oilers fans do you think would rate Draisaitl ahead of Mr. Intangibles? It's impressive he's as low as he is on this list.


These lists are always a joke. As you said, they are put together by guys who don't have a clue. Malkin not in the top 100 players ever but Toews is because he has a couple of rings.

What's laughable. William Karlsson is above Leon. The guy was a 4th line, borderline NHLer before coming to Vegas. Every thing goes right for him, he shoots the lights out and now he is a top 50 player after 1 season? That's all it takes. It will be interesting to see what happens when he and his team drop down to earth, every team actually prepares for him and his team and doesn't take them lightly.

Barzal is a rookie, had an incredible first season and that means he's a top 50 player? With Tavares gone, he will be the Isles #1 center this season because there is no one to protect him by taking the tough match ups. They have guys like Bailey who had a career year shockingly in his contract year. He will drop way off. With Barzal getting a steady diet of other teams best dmen and best lines, it wouldn't shock me to see Barzal hit maybe 50 pts. As an example, guess who he will probably be going up against when he plays the Oilers? McDavid who will feed him his lunch.

It doesn't bother me and hopefully Leon will look at the list and it fires him up.


I was looking to see where Drai fit in here, yeah some of the guys who ranked higher are interesting. I think as he progresses career wise, his upside might project to anywhere from the 10-20 in league centers....there might be 10-15 centers you'd rather have than Drai if your choice is one or the other if the deal is 1 for 1 and salary and age are not a factor - that's his upside. So where does that put him in terms of top players in the league when other positions are accounted for? As for motivation, Leon should be fired up anyway....they all should be.



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Now if we really want to continue this GM/coach on different pages theme. It would be really good timing to trade Nuge now after we finally try McDavid/Drai/Nuge on different lines and it worked out positively.


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