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Elliotte Friedman suggested last night on air that the Oilers call about Max Pacioretty. Friedman is very well connected, so I am betting that his Montreal sources have hinted at Pacioretty's availability. Bergevin was adamant that the Subban rumors were false, and we all know how that story ended.

Even though we are already somewhat heavy on the left side, I think if this level of player is available you have to fit him in the roster. Pacioretty is remarkably consistent. He has scored 60+ points and 30+ goals every year in the last 6 seasons with exception to the lockout year.

He is 28, and is underpaid at 4.5M AAV. The contract ends after next season. With that kind of deal, maybe you can look at moving Lucic in the offseason or letting Maroon walk into free agency. Either way, Pacioretty instantly becomes the team's best natural winger on either side for a year and a half.

The speculation from fans is that RNH is the starting point. However, I would hope that the Oilers would be looking at other pieces to trade away (Puljujarvi, Yamamoto, picks, anything not needed to win right now). We need to keep as much talent as we can while we have the cap space. This year we can definitely afford it. With that said, Montreal probably isn't looking for prospects right now. They are weak at centre, so it may have to be Nuge going the other way for a deal to get done.

It's nearly a foregone conclusion that Nuge will be traded this offseason anyway. If there is a way to keep Nuge for now and get Pacioretty this year, that is preferable. But I could definitely stomach trading Nuge away if that is what they want. At least this time, we would be getting the best player in the deal.





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This does seem like a really good chance to take advantage of Montreal. Bergevin is obsessed with defensive minded guys now. Would if he would find Nuge appealing. Nuge seems to have developed a reputation around the league as a defensive C.

Should try to get Galchenyuk too :)

Nuge+Pulju+1st for Patches+Galchenyuk. Suddenly we have 2 sniper wingers for McDavid/Drai. Like, real snipers, the kinds that can take 1-timers. Guess we would have to make them play RW though, both lefties :)

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smyth260 wrote on Sun, 22 October 2017 18:34

Elliotte Friedman suggested last night on air that the Oilers call about Max Pacioretty. Friedman is very well connected, so I am betting that his Montreal sources have hinted at Pacioretty's availability. Bergevin was adamant that the Subban rumors were false, and we all know how that story ended.

Even though we are already somewhat heavy on the left side, I think if this level of player is available you have to fit him in the roster. Pacioretty is remarkably consistent. He has scored 60+ points and 30+ goals every year in the last 6 seasons with exception to the lockout year.

He is 28, and is underpaid at 4.5M AAV. The contract ends after next season. With that kind of deal, maybe you can look at moving Lucic in the offseason or letting Maroon walk into free agency. Either way, Pacioretty instantly becomes the team's best natural winger on either side for a year and a half.

The speculation from fans is that RNH is the starting point. However, I would hope that the Oilers would be looking at other pieces to trade away (Puljujarvi, Yamamoto, picks, anything not needed to win right now). We need to keep as much talent as we can while we have the cap space. This year we can definitely afford it. With that said, Montreal probably isn't looking for prospects right now. They are weak at centre, so it may have to be Nuge going the other way for a deal to get done.




I really like the idea of adding a scoring winger and have always like Pacioretty. A couple of responses to your thoughts;
- Re; RNH/cap space. This trade would likely have to include a good player, IE RNH. There seems to be a legend floating around that we have cap space now when in fact we do not have as much as it appears. Right now I believe we have around 8 mill in cap space but that is a bit of a mirage as it does not include bonuses that we do not want to carry over. Right now I believe those to be around 5 mill. That alone takes us down to a level that cant afford Patches
- You mention trading Lucic. A. I dont think managment will ever consider that as long as he brings what he is bringing. B. I believe his contract is almost trade proof and I dont see him waiving any no trade clauses

I would personally rather trade RNH than one of the high end prospects like JP or Yamamoto. Those are both guys that should be very useful for the next few years when the REAL cap crunch known as McDavids extension kicks in.

Our lack of depth is the issue regardless of how a trade might play out;
- trade a C, no depth there
- trade prospects, cupboard is pretty bare
- trade a D, needs to improve, cant really trade one
- Wingers, same as D

The options are slim but I think RNH then picks, then prospects are the order of operations to try and improve VIA trade



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Montreal has no centers. They are playing Drouin as a center and I always thought he was more of a winger personally. You keep hearing that Galchenyk is available, now Pacioretty. Friedman is an extremely connected guy and not the type to make stuff up so there has to be a lot some truth to it. If you can get either of those 2, then I would do it.

As was mentioned, the center piece going back would have to be Nuge. I am a Nuge fan, I would love if he was an Oiler for a long time but I just don't see how. I have said it many times, I think the Oilers need to have McDavid and Leon as their 1-2 centers. So where do you put Nuge. Then with his salary at 6 mill, it makes it even tougher.



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I looked up Pacioretty's stats.
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/player-bio/max-pacioretty

35,30,37,39 goals in the last 4 seasons. 60+ pts each year. He makes 4.5 mill. So that is fantastic value for that contract. Those are the numbers that Eberle should have been putting up and he's making 1.5 mill less. So what do people think his value is? It has to be high.

What do people think Nuge's value is?

For what the Habs need vs what the Oilers could use and maybe afford to give, Nuge as the principal going back makes sense to me. If Nuge is in the top 6, scoring 60+ pts, then his contract is fine. But I just don't see how he can get to that level in Edmonton given he won't get a lot of PP time being on the second unit. IN Montreal, he would get PP time as they have squat for centers.

In a perfect world it is Nuge for Pacioretty straight up but I don't see it. 4.5 mill for a 35 goal scorer who's a captain has to be worth a ton. Everyone says that Chia always overpays in trades. Well what would people see has fair value? Montreal probably could use some defense prospects.

Would Nuge and maybe Jones be too much? Jones is probably one of their better defense prospects. People might say Bear but Jones looked in camp to be closer than Bear. I am just asking because I wouldn't freak out it that was the trade but maybe some would and I don't know what fair value would be.

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RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 23 October 2017 11:17

I looked up Pacioretty's stats.
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/player-bio/max-pacioretty

35,30,37,39 goals in the last 4 seasons. 60+ pts each year. He makes 4.5 mill. So that is fantastic value for that contract. Those are the numbers that Eberle should have been putting up and he's making 1.5 mill less. So what do people think his value is? It has to be high.

What do people think Nuge's value is?

For what the Habs need vs what the Oilers could use and maybe afford to give, Nuge as the principal going back makes sense to me. If Nuge is in the top 6, scoring 60+ pts, then his contract is fine. But I just don't see how he can get to that level in Edmonton given he won't get a lot of PP time being on the second unit. IN Montreal, he would get PP time as they have squat for centers.

In a perfect world it is Nuge for Pacioretty straight up but I don't see it. 4.5 mill for a 35 goal scorer who's a captain has to be worth a ton. Everyone says that Chia always overpays in trades. Well what would people see has fair value? Montreal probably could use some defense prospects.

Would Nuge and maybe Jones be too much? Jones is probably one of their better defense prospects. People might say Bear but looked in camp to be closer than Bear.


I think this would require the Montreal GM allowing himself to be taken advantage of. Maybe these is a chance here, no one can ever know. Bergevin does weird crap. And Patches is becoming hated with the Montreal fanbase, like Ebs was here, except even more expectation because he's their captain. Galchenyuk seems to be despised by the org as well, and many fans.

Probably seems dumb to try to say our GM should take advantage of another one, because Chia has been the guy making the moves from a position of weakness, either by his own fault or not necessarily. And I guess we are in a position of weakness yet again looking for shooters.



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I am baffled what the Habs are doing. They need centers, Galchenyuk is a center, he had a 20, then 30 goal season, had 17 goals in 61 games last year but they screw around with him, play him down in the lines, play him on the wing. DO the fans hate Pacioretty because he's not french? I don't get it.


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RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 23 October 2017 11:44

I am baffled what the Habs are doing. They need centers, Galchenyuk is a center, he had a 20, then 30 goal season, had 17 goals in 61 games last year but they screw around with him, play him down in the lines, play him on the wing. DO the fans hate Pacioretty because he's not french? I don't get it.


I don't think Galchenyuk has had a coach yet with any desire to play him at C. Think there was always a disagreement between Therrien and Galchenyuk about him playing C. He was saddled with Lars Eller as his C in 15/16 and still managed a 30 goal season (and scored 1P/60 5v5 more than Eller did when they were together). I doubt Galchenyuk could have any argument at all here though with McDavid and Drai in the lineup :)




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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 23 October 2017 11:52

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 23 October 2017 11:44

I am baffled what the Habs are doing. They need centers, Galchenyuk is a center, he had a 20, then 30 goal season, had 17 goals in 61 games last year but they screw around with him, play him down in the lines, play him on the wing. DO the fans hate Pacioretty because he's not french? I don't get it.


I don't think Galchenyuk has had a coach yet with any desire to play him at C. Think there was always a disagreement between Therrien and Galchenyuk about him playing C. He was saddled with Lars Eller as his C in 15/16 and still managed a 30 goal season (and scored 1P/60 5v5 more than Eller did when they were together). I doubt Galchenyuk could have any argument at all here though with McDavid and Drai in the lineup :)



I'd take Pacioretty or Galchenyuk on my team. Pacioretty is more proven but he hasn't got jerked around like Galchenyuk. If you can get a 30 goal scorer for under 5 mill, that's a value contract in my opinion. Pacioretty is cheaper but older.

Anyone know who's the better skater?

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RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 23 October 2017 11:55

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 23 October 2017 11:52

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 23 October 2017 11:44

I am baffled what the Habs are doing. They need centers, Galchenyuk is a center, he had a 20, then 30 goal season, had 17 goals in 61 games last year but they screw around with him, play him down in the lines, play him on the wing. DO the fans hate Pacioretty because he's not french? I don't get it.


I don't think Galchenyuk has had a coach yet with any desire to play him at C. Think there was always a disagreement between Therrien and Galchenyuk about him playing C. He was saddled with Lars Eller as his C in 15/16 and still managed a 30 goal season (and scored 1P/60 5v5 more than Eller did when they were together). I doubt Galchenyuk could have any argument at all here though with McDavid and Drai in the lineup :)



I'd take Pacioretty or Galchenyuk on my team. Pacioretty is more proven but he hasn't got jerked around like Galchenyuk. If you can get a 30 goal scorer for under 5 mill, that's a value contract in my opinion. Pacioretty is cheaper but older.

Anyone know who's the better skater?


Think Patches is actually the better skater between them. Think he is definitely the superior player. Just would be really hard to keep him after 2 years.



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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 23 October 2017 12:02

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 23 October 2017 11:55

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 23 October 2017 11:52

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 23 October 2017 11:44

I am baffled what the Habs are doing. They need centers, Galchenyuk is a center, he had a 20, then 30 goal season, had 17 goals in 61 games last year but they screw around with him, play him down in the lines, play him on the wing. DO the fans hate Pacioretty because he's not french? I don't get it.


I don't think Galchenyuk has had a coach yet with any desire to play him at C. Think there was always a disagreement between Therrien and Galchenyuk about him playing C. He was saddled with Lars Eller as his C in 15/16 and still managed a 30 goal season (and scored 1P/60 5v5 more than Eller did when they were together). I doubt Galchenyuk could have any argument at all here though with McDavid and Drai in the lineup :)



I'd take Pacioretty or Galchenyuk on my team. Pacioretty is more proven but he hasn't got jerked around like Galchenyuk. If you can get a 30 goal scorer for under 5 mill, that's a value contract in my opinion. Pacioretty is cheaper but older.

Anyone know who's the better skater?


Think Patches is actually the better skater between them. Think he is definitely the superior player. Just would be really hard to keep him after 2 years.

True but he'd be over 30 so you you'd hope to have some young guys taking spots.



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Oilers could do a lot worse than Nugent-hopkins for Pacioretty. I'm kind of fearful they will. MP would be a welcome addition, possible at the expense of a Maroon extension since Lucic is here for the long haul.


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Does Pacioretty plus Galchenyuk not get you Duchene though? If I'm the Habs I'm exploring that deal all day rather than Nuge plus on our end to get Pacioretty.


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mazankowski wrote on Mon, 23 October 2017 17:14

Does Pacioretty plus Galchenyuk not get you Duchene though? If I'm the Habs I'm exploring that deal all day rather than Nuge plus on our end to get Pacioretty.


Colorado is demanding a top end 1st pairing D for Duchene, no? Thought that was Sakic's line in the sand, plus some more.




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Now it's for sure going down!! lol

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Oilfanforever!! wrote on Mon, 23 October 2017 23:47

Now it's for sure going down!! lol

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mazankowski wrote on Mon, 23 October 2017 17:14

Does Pacioretty plus Galchenyuk not get you Duchene though? If I'm the Habs I'm exploring that deal all day rather than Nuge plus on our end to get Pacioretty.

I have heard all along that the Avs want a youngish, left shot, already top 4 dman as the center piece plus something else. If you look at the Avs defense, they need a dman badly. But so do the Habs ironically after they dumped Subban and traded Sergachev and traded Beauleau(i'm sure I butchered his name) and didn't replace Markov.



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RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 24 October 2017 07:09

mazankowski wrote on Mon, 23 October 2017 17:14

Does Pacioretty plus Galchenyuk not get you Duchene though? If I'm the Habs I'm exploring that deal all day rather than Nuge plus on our end to get Pacioretty.

I have heard all along that the Avs want a youngish, left shot, already top 4 dman as the center piece plus something else. If you look at the Avs defense, they need a dman badly. But so do the Habs ironically after they dumped Subban and traded Sergachev and traded Beauleau(i'm sure I butchered his name) and didn't replace Markov.


RDOilerfan and Kr55, The Habs really need a #1 C more than D men in my honest opinion. I know Colorado is looking for some youthful D men for Duchene, but teams aren't giving those up.

Is there a three way deal out there for the Avs to flip Pacioretty to in order to obtain a D man after they acquire Patches? The answer is maybe. There's a Ducks team who has a wealth of D men, a Minnesota team who can use scoring and has the assets, and even an Oilers team who has some prospects.

I guess Montreal needs so many pieces right now to stop the ship from sinking, that if they could turn Pacioretty into a #1 C or a young puck moving D man, they would do it in a heartbeat.



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Guarantee you that the Habs are asking for Draisaitl, if Patches is in the conversation.

Would have to be MP plus other pieces though, no doubt.

Nuge doesn't get that deal done, at least not at the level of offensive output he's producing lately.



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HamBlaster wrote on Tue, 24 October 2017 16:52

Guarantee you that the Habs are asking for Draisaitl, if Patches is in the conversation.

Would have to be MP plus other pieces though, no doubt.

Nuge doesn't get that deal done, at least not at the level of offensive output he's producing lately.


This. Patches is beloved in Habs land. Whatever it is we give up, it’s gonna hurt and will be a lot more than an overpaid Nuge (I love him but his contract is a drag).



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SEND THEM AUVITU! He's French! they love French!
Auvitu and Nuge... and add anyone (pick or prospect) that's not on the team currently.
If you hold on to your picks and propects you are holding a player that has a CHANCE of playing in the league. If you trade them for an active player, you get a player IN the league. Too many GM's (and fans) over value both IMO.



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Can we sign MAP and MAB again and include them in the deal? Just to sweeten the "French pot" aka "fondue"?


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nullterm wrote on Tue, 24 October 2017 20:00

HamBlaster wrote on Tue, 24 October 2017 16:52

Guarantee you that the Habs are asking for Draisaitl, if Patches is in the conversation.

Would have to be MP plus other pieces though, no doubt.

Nuge doesn't get that deal done, at least not at the level of offensive output he's producing lately.


This. Patches is beloved in Habs land. Whatever it is we give up, it’s gonna hurt and will be a lot more than an overpaid Nuge (I love him but his contract is a drag).


Then leave him in Montreal. Draisitl should be almost untouchable.



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nullterm wrote on Tue, 24 October 2017 20:00

HamBlaster wrote on Tue, 24 October 2017 16:52

Guarantee you that the Habs are asking for Draisaitl, if Patches is in the conversation.

Would have to be MP plus other pieces though, no doubt.

Nuge doesn't get that deal done, at least not at the level of offensive output he's producing lately.


This. Patches is beloved in Habs land. Whatever it is we give up, it’s gonna hurt and will be a lot more than an overpaid Nuge (I love him but his contract is a drag).


Is Patches still loved? I see lots of Habs fan hate these days because of his last playoffs.



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Underperforming playoff series? That is worth one Ryan Strome and nothing more.


How could one doubt the braintrust of 6 Cups Kevin Lowe, MacT's E-MBA from Queens, Paul Coffey's skills coach resume, and drunk Gretzky?

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smyth260 wrote on Thu, 26 October 2017 16:22

Underperforming playoff series? That is worth one Ryan Strome and nothing more.


How convenient! We have a Ryan Strome!

Patches did have 1 good playoffs and 2 decent one too though unfortunately. Probably ups the price a bit.



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So, a Nuge for Patches swap is getting some talk in the media.

Nuge has 3 years left on his deal. Patches has 1.

Me no likey. How about trying Nuge on the friggin wing first if you want scoring on the wing? He's almost doubled Patches up in goals this year.



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I don't do that trade. Nuge has been one of the few bright spots. Yes maybe trading him while his value is higher seems like a good idea, but I still don't think it's a foregone conclusion that Nuge has to go for cap reasons. Our center depth is good right now, don't wreck that.


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jds308 wrote on Thu, 04 January 2018 12:16

I don't do that trade. Nuge has been one of the few bright spots. Yes maybe trading him while his value is higher seems like a good idea, but I still don't think it's a foregone conclusion that Nuge has to go for cap reasons. Our center depth is good right now, don't wreck that.


You know what the most Chiarelli thing the Oilers could do this summer would be? Trade Draisaitl.

No no-move clause, and he's got a big salary so they can say they cleared a lot of room. It could be really bad in the end, but we can probably get some return - maybe even more that simply a 1-for-1...

The media's already started to take aim at him (even though he's still scoring well - 32 points in 36 games). It wouldn't be hard to sell him as the attitude problem, especially with the rumours from earlier in the year.



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Adam wrote on Thu, 04 January 2018 13:55

jds308 wrote on Thu, 04 January 2018 12:16

I don't do that trade. Nuge has been one of the few bright spots. Yes maybe trading him while his value is higher seems like a good idea, but I still don't think it's a foregone conclusion that Nuge has to go for cap reasons. Our center depth is good right now, don't wreck that.


You know what the most Chiarelli thing the Oilers could do this summer would be? Trade Draisaitl.

No no-move clause, and he's got a big salary so they can say they cleared a lot of room. It could be really bad in the end, but we can probably get some return - maybe even more that simply a 1-for-1...

The media's already started to take aim at him (even though he's still scoring well - 32 points in 36 games). It wouldn't be hard to sell him as the attitude problem, especially with the rumours from earlier in the year.


Oddly enough, a friend and I were texting ideas/scenarios this morning, and he mentioned Draisaitl for Karlsson.



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bigEfromGP wrote on Thu, 04 January 2018 14:15

Adam wrote on Thu, 04 January 2018 13:55

jds308 wrote on Thu, 04 January 2018 12:16

I don't do that trade. Nuge has been one of the few bright spots. Yes maybe trading him while his value is higher seems like a good idea, but I still don't think it's a foregone conclusion that Nuge has to go for cap reasons. Our center depth is good right now, don't wreck that.


You know what the most Chiarelli thing the Oilers could do this summer would be? Trade Draisaitl.

No no-move clause, and he's got a big salary so they can say they cleared a lot of room. It could be really bad in the end, but we can probably get some return - maybe even more that simply a 1-for-1...

The media's already started to take aim at him (even though he's still scoring well - 32 points in 36 games). It wouldn't be hard to sell him as the attitude problem, especially with the rumours from earlier in the year.


Oddly enough, a friend and I were texting ideas/scenarios this morning, and he mentioned Draisaitl for Karlsson.


Only way that makes sense is if Karlsson signs an extension on arrival.

And a $12MM contract for Karlsson will be VERY hard to balance with McDavid's deal...



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Adam wrote on Thu, 04 January 2018 14:29

bigEfromGP wrote on Thu, 04 January 2018 14:15

Adam wrote on Thu, 04 January 2018 13:55

jds308 wrote on Thu, 04 January 2018 12:16

I don't do that trade. Nuge has been one of the few bright spots. Yes maybe trading him while his value is higher seems like a good idea, but I still don't think it's a foregone conclusion that Nuge has to go for cap reasons. Our center depth is good right now, don't wreck that.


You know what the most Chiarelli thing the Oilers could do this summer would be? Trade Draisaitl.

No no-move clause, and he's got a big salary so they can say they cleared a lot of room. It could be really bad in the end, but we can probably get some return - maybe even more that simply a 1-for-1...

The media's already started to take aim at him (even though he's still scoring well - 32 points in 36 games). It wouldn't be hard to sell him as the attitude problem, especially with the rumours from earlier in the year.


Oddly enough, a friend and I were texting ideas/scenarios this morning, and he mentioned Draisaitl for Karlsson.


Only way that makes sense is if Karlsson signs an extension on arrival.

And a $12MM contract for Karlsson will be VERY hard to balance with McDavid's deal...



I would honestly say that if that's possible, you just try to make it work. Oh, and make sure you fire Chia and hire some actual talent in management.

McDavd+Karlsson is a foundation you can do a hell of a lot with. Karlsson dragged his team kicking and screaming to the conference finals last year. You have a player with that kind of impact along with McDavid? Only a Lowe or Chia could F up getting the useful depth around them to have a contender. Actually, Lowe almost did it with just Pronger. Let's say only a Tambo, MacT or Chia would F it up :)

Kinda funny to think that Drai+Russell cap hits > UFA Karlsson.

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Karlsson to McDavid breakouts would be amazing.
Too bad we have so much cap space tied up long term on boat anchor contracts.
With no move clauses.



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NZ Oiler Fan wrote on Thu, 04 January 2018 14:44

Karlsson to McDavid breakouts would be amazing.
Too bad we have so much cap space tied up long term on boat anchor contracts.
With no move clauses.


Does anyone really believe that Chiarelli could acquire Karlsson without giving up far too much in return? Or without calculating on a giant raise for him in the coming year?



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Adam wrote on Thu, 04 January 2018 15:34

NZ Oiler Fan wrote on Thu, 04 January 2018 14:44

Karlsson to McDavid breakouts would be amazing.
Too bad we have so much cap space tied up long term on boat anchor contracts.
With no move clauses.


Does anyone really believe that Chiarelli could acquire Karlsson without giving up far too much in return? Or without calculating on a giant raise for him in the coming year?


Sens aren't particularly well managed either. For whatever reason they really seem to like very expensive players (Duchene, Ryan, Phaneuf). And they move on from guys that won't extend with them pretty freely based on recent history :)



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NZ Oiler Fan wrote on Thu, 04 January 2018 14:44

Karlsson to McDavid breakouts would be amazing.
Too bad we have so much cap space tied up long term on boat anchor contracts.
With no move clauses.


Wouldn't be that hard to make the money work, but the trade would have to be Drai for Karlsson. It is an interesting thought if the Sens don't believe they can re-sign Karlsson.



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Kr55 wrote on Thu, 04 January 2018 11:18

So, a Nuge for Patches swap is getting some talk in the media.

Nuge has 3 years left on his deal. Patches has 1.

Me no likey. How about trying Nuge on the friggin wing first if you want scoring on the wing? He's almost doubled Patches up in goals this year.


IF PC pulls the trigger on that deal, that alone is grounds for instant dismissal. Nuge is playing, in my mind, the best hockey of his professional career, on a good (great?) contract.



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bigEfromGP wrote on Thu, 04 January 2018 13:51

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 04 January 2018 11:18

So, a Nuge for Patches swap is getting some talk in the media.

Nuge has 3 years left on his deal. Patches has 1.

Me no likey. How about trying Nuge on the friggin wing first if you want scoring on the wing? He's almost doubled Patches up in goals this year.


IF PC pulls the trigger on that deal, that alone is grounds for instant dismissal. Nuge is playing, in my mind, the best hockey of his professional career, on a good (great?) contract.


I really hope we have an approval process like the Sens in the world of Dreger :) So the firing can happen before the trigger is pulled.



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I think Pacioretty is a good player, but with his current down year and his contract up at the end of next, I'm not sure I'm offering a lot more than Strome and Benning (or something equivilant).


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http://oilfans.com/forum/index.php?t=nested&th=46066& ;start=0&rid=4835&SQ=de2211885e22c54ed917b8549bbcbcc 5

so the answer then is... Karlsson.



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