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 Russian/Olympic Doping Scandal(s) [message #670334]
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This just in.. Entire U-18 hockey team going to North Dakota for the World Championships has been replaced after 15 of 30 players in their evaluation camp tested positive for PEDs, same stuff Sharapova was taking for ten years prior to WADA finally realizing the drug was being used. They were set to play the USA on Thursday. I guess they found out the IIHF was going to be doing some testing at the tourney, finally. The fact that there were 15 of 30 positives (which is what the Russians are saying, who knows the actual stats are) indicates it was a large scale organized program. Can't believe they would stoop to doping kids to win a U-18 tourney.

They instead will send their U-17 team .. but stay tuned, they likely haven't been tested yet.. still early..

http://www.tsn.ca/talent/report-russian-hockey-hit-by-mass-d oping-scandal-1.465931

Russia even sent their men's curling team back under similar "mysterious" circumstances. Smells fishy. Can you dope for curling?
http://www.curling.ca/blog/2016/04/05/canada-stretches-win-s treak-to-six-at-world-mens-championship/

Added to the fact that the entire Russian athletics team is currently banned from competing (including the upcoming Olympics) due to state sanctioned PED programs, altering WADA lab results, payoffs to IAAF officials, etc.. as well as other PED positives (with regularity) in a variety of other sports, it seems the old "Red Army" culture dies hard.

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/mar/06/iaaf-russia-ath letes-banned

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-3317591/ Russia-s-athletics-team-suspended-IAAF-doping-allegations-ag ainst-them.html

http://www.newshub.co.nz/sport/russian-olympic-hammer-champ- banned-for-doping-2016040606#axzz455X2KPAi

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/mar/30/russian-track-c yclists-test-positive-meldonium

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/mar/24/court-of-arbitr ation-sport-bans-russian-athletes

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/jan/25/russian-olympic -committee-doping-bans-four-athletes

"42% of "tested" Russian elite athletes (track & field) were doping in 2012 (London Olympics) estimates show"..
Quote:

The IAAF considered hiding Russian doping bans from the public before London 2012 and recognised that more than 42% of all tested elite athletes from the country were cheating in the latest revelations to assail the tattered credibility of world athletics.

Internal documents obtained by the Associated Press also show that as far back as 2009 the International Association of Athletics Federations knew Russia’s doping problem was so deeply entrenched it feared athletes were at risk of killing themselves through the use of EPO and blood transfusions.

“This matter of the Russian athletes’ blood levels is now so serious and is not getting any better (in fact possibly getting worse) that immediate and drastic action is needed,” Pierre Weiss, then the IAAF general secretary, wrote in a 14 October 2009 hand-delivered letter to Valentin Balakhnichev, the Russian athletics president banned last week for life from the sport.

“Not only are these athletes cheating their fellow competitors but at these levels are putting their health and even their own lives in very serious danger,” wrote Weiss, telling Balakhnichev that blood results from Russian athletes “recorded some of the highest values ever seen since the IAAF started testing”.

Tests conducted at the 2009 world championships, where Russia won 13 medals, “strongly suggest a systematic abuse of blood doping or EPO-related products,” Weiss added. It was not until November 2015, following the independent report by Dick Pound commissioned after an explosive ARD documentary, that Russia was banned from competition for state sponsored doping.

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/jan/12/iaaf-hiding-rus sian-drug-bans-london-2012

Swimming..
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/mar/24/rusada-denies-c over-up-of-positive-doping-tests-by-russian-swimmers

The former head of the Russian Anti-Doping Agency (RADA), the people responsible for testing their own athletes, was going to write a "tell all" book, didn't quite make it .. :0
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/feb/21/russian-anti-do ping-nikita-kamayev-planned-book-allegedly

The above is just a sampler .... tip of iceberg .. I guess it's no surprise it's involved in team sport like hockey as well, just dismayed that it involves kids.

Anybody remember when the kid Cherepanov died of "heart failure" during a KHL game after he was drafted by NYR? Initially the doctor came out and reported he died of PED complications (likely EPO), official story was then watered down. The U-18's are probably not the first to be involved with PEDs.
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/hockey/rangers/tests-show- rangers-prospect-alexei-cherepanov-performance-enhancing-dru gs-article-1.354089

Quote:

Rangers prospect Alexei Cherepanov took performance-enhancing drugs for months before his sudden death during a game in Russia, federal investigators said Monday in Moscow.

Analysis of blood and urine samples in the wake of Cherepanov's Oct. 13 death during a Continental Hockey League (KHL) game revealed the presence of illicit substances, according to a statement from the Russian federal Investigative Committee. A committee spokesman in Moscow would give no further details of what substances were found.


http://bleacherreport.com/articles/98176-investigators-revea l-alexei-cherepanov-was-doping-upon-death
http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/cherepanov-took-performance- enhancing-drugs-investigators-1.759806
http://grg51.typepad.com/steroid_nation/nhl/


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Just in case you think its just the Russians...recent story about UK doping scandal, probably led to some UK "over achievements" in London 2012.

http://www.theweek.co.uk/71143/drugs-scandal-british-doctor- claims-he-doped-150-athletes

http://www.bbc.com/sport/35952566




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X-country skiing, Russian popped for PED's, 23 year old ..

http://www.globalpost.com/article/6757279/2016/04/08/skiing- russian-vichuzhanin-positive-meldonium



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Russia Anti-Doping Laboratory loses WADA accreditation.

http://www.france24.com/en/20160415-world-anti-doping-agency -revokes-russian-lab-accreditation

"99%" of Russian Athletes alleged to have doped.

http://www.bbc.com/sport/athletics/30324812

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Wrestling as well ..

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-sport-doping-wrestling-rus sia-idUSKCN0WO0ZG



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"Russia has a problem with doping among child athletes in schools", Russian sports minister says..

Pathetic.

http://news.nationalpost.com/sports/russia-has-a-problem-wit h-doping-among-child-athletes-in-schools-sports-minister-say s



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Skookum Jim wrote on Mon, 18 April 2016 12:51

"Russia has a problem with doping among child athletes in schools", Russian sports minister says..

Pathetic.

http://news.nationalpost.com/sports/russia-has-a-problem-wit h-doping-among-child-athletes-in-schools-sports-minister-say s


It's Canada too.

I used to work out at Millennium Place in Sherwood Park and overheard teenagers talking about how the one guy's mom almost found his steroids. My nephew, who's a pretty good hockey player, is in high school and says he knows where to find steroids if he wants them and that he knows a number of the high school athletes in his school that are using them.

There's so much money, fame and pressure involved around sports that people are willing to try almost anything to get an edge.



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Adam wrote on Mon, 18 April 2016 13:03

Skookum Jim wrote on Mon, 18 April 2016 12:51

"Russia has a problem with doping among child athletes in schools", Russian sports minister says..

Pathetic.

http://news.nationalpost.com/sports/russia-has-a-problem-wit h-doping-among-child-athletes-in-schools-sports-minister-say s


It's Canada too.

I used to work out at Millennium Place in Sherwood Park and overheard teenagers talking about how the one guy's mom almost found his steroids. My nephew, who's a pretty good hockey player, is in high school and says he knows where to find steroids if he wants them and that he knows a number of the high school athletes in his school that are using them.

There's so much money, fame and pressure involved around sports that people are willing to try almost anything to get an edge.


I'm referring mostly to the national/international competition level, in Russia its state sponsored, institutionalized, even the Russian WADA anti-doping lab was closed because it was corrupt. Each country, and its individual sport federation, is responsible for testing its own country's athletes, Russia was/is a free for all. In Canada an athlete could take drugs, but they will be tested seriously and frequently (excluding pro sports of course), plus it's not accepted culture, very few have ever tested positive.
In Russia it's just the way things are done, chances of getting caught were/are pretty remote, but when they do, labs and officials are paid off, Despite the very low odds of getting caught, they still have tested positive and suspended by the hundreds.
The only reason their track and field program was exposed, was because a Russian Olympic athlete that had been part of the doping culture, and her husband that worked in a Russian WADA lab, contacted a German TV producer and were able to create a investigative documentary based on eye witnessed accounts. This was the only reason the IIAF and the IOC acknowledged it publicly, they were forced to

You know its bad when a country holds back entire teams from competition because they think they might test positive.

Agree, there is no doubt teenagers are taking steroids in Canada, you just have to go to any local gym and see what you see, they do it for the ego/power trip, and aesthetics. Athletics aren't usually involved at all. Its an epidemic, and not talked about at any level. Could be a whole generation with future liver and heart problems.
Just to show you how bad it is, there is a local franchise type fitness club that a friend of mine goes to, he says there is a box in the men's change room hanging on the wall that is there specifically for disposal of syringes, he talked to one of the guys that works there, he said they had to put it in because guys were discarding the needles everywhere and it was getting unsafe. He said they have to empty it every 2 or 3 days, holds 20 or 30.



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Skookum Jim wrote on Mon, 18 April 2016 15:44

Adam wrote on Mon, 18 April 2016 13:03

Skookum Jim wrote on Mon, 18 April 2016 12:51

"Russia has a problem with doping among child athletes in schools", Russian sports minister says..

Pathetic.

http://news.nationalpost.com/sports/russia-has-a-problem-wit h-doping-among-child-athletes-in-schools-sports-minister-say s


It's Canada too.

I used to work out at Millennium Place in Sherwood Park and overheard teenagers talking about how the one guy's mom almost found his steroids. My nephew, who's a pretty good hockey player, is in high school and says he knows where to find steroids if he wants them and that he knows a number of the high school athletes in his school that are using them.

There's so much money, fame and pressure involved around sports that people are willing to try almost anything to get an edge.


I'm referring mostly to the national/international competition level, in Russia its state sponsored, institutionalized, even the Russian WADA anti-doping lab was closed because it was corrupt. Each country, and its individual sport federation, is responsible for testing its own country's athletes, Russia was/is a free for all. In Canada an athlete could take drugs, but they will be tested seriously and frequently (excluding pro sports of course), plus it's not accepted culture, very few have ever tested positive.
In Russia it's just the way things are done, chances of getting caught were/are pretty remote, but when they do, labs and officials are paid off, Despite the very low odds of getting caught, they still have tested positive and suspended by the hundreds.
The only reason their track and field program was exposed, was because a Russian Olympic athlete that had been part of the doping culture, and her husband that worked in a Russian WADA lab, contacted a German TV producer and were able to create a investigative documentary based on eye witnessed accounts. This was the only reason the IIAF and the IOC acknowledged it publicly, they were forced to

You know its bad when a country holds back entire teams from competition because they think they might test positive.

Agree, there is no doubt teenagers are taking steroids in Canada, you just have to go to any local gym and see what you see, they do it for the ego/power trip, and aesthetics. Athletics aren't usually involved at all. Its an epidemic, and not talked about at any level. Could be a whole generation with future liver and heart problems.
Just to show you how bad it is, there is a local franchise type fitness club that a friend of mine goes to, he says there is a box in the men's change room hanging on the wall that is there specifically for disposal of syringes, he talked to one of the guys that works there, he said they had to put it in because guys were discarding the needles everywhere and it was getting unsafe. He said they have to empty it every 2 or 3 days, holds 20 or 30.


There is nothing xenophobic in saying that one country does more doping than another.

Just let it go.



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Magnum wrote on Thu, 21 April 2016 10:17

Skookum Jim wrote on Mon, 18 April 2016 15:44

Adam wrote on Mon, 18 April 2016 13:03

Skookum Jim wrote on Mon, 18 April 2016 12:51

"Russia has a problem with doping among child athletes in schools", Russian sports minister says..

Pathetic.

http://news.nationalpost.com/sports/russia-has-a-problem-wit h-doping-among-child-athletes-in-schools-sports-minister-say s


It's Canada too.

I used to work out at Millennium Place in Sherwood Park and overheard teenagers talking about how the one guy's mom almost found his steroids. My nephew, who's a pretty good hockey player, is in high school and says he knows where to find steroids if he wants them and that he knows a number of the high school athletes in his school that are using them.

There's so much money, fame and pressure involved around sports that people are willing to try almost anything to get an edge.


I'm referring mostly to the national/international competition level, in Russia its state sponsored, institutionalized, even the Russian WADA anti-doping lab was closed because it was corrupt. Each country, and its individual sport federation, is responsible for testing its own country's athletes, Russia was/is a free for all. In Canada an athlete could take drugs, but they will be tested seriously and frequently (excluding pro sports of course), plus it's not accepted culture, very few have ever tested positive.
In Russia it's just the way things are done, chances of getting caught were/are pretty remote, but when they do, labs and officials are paid off, Despite the very low odds of getting caught, they still have tested positive and suspended by the hundreds.
The only reason their track and field program was exposed, was because a Russian Olympic athlete that had been part of the doping culture, and her husband that worked in a Russian WADA lab, contacted a German TV producer and were able to create a investigative documentary based on eye witnessed accounts. This was the only reason the IIAF and the IOC acknowledged it publicly, they were forced to

You know its bad when a country holds back entire teams from competition because they think they might test positive.

Agree, there is no doubt teenagers are taking steroids in Canada, you just have to go to any local gym and see what you see, they do it for the ego/power trip, and aesthetics. Athletics aren't usually involved at all. Its an epidemic, and not talked about at any level. Could be a whole generation with future liver and heart problems.
Just to show you how bad it is, there is a local franchise type fitness club that a friend of mine goes to, he says there is a box in the men's change room hanging on the wall that is there specifically for disposal of syringes, he talked to one of the guys that works there, he said they had to put it in because guys were discarding the needles everywhere and it was getting unsafe. He said they have to empty it every 2 or 3 days, holds 20 or 30.


There is nothing xenophobic in saying that one country does more doping than another.

Just let it go.



Who accused anyone of being xenophobic here?

I agree that there are some countries where the sports organizations may be more helpful in bending the rules...like the US for example (see Lewis, Carl).

http://www.scmp.com/sport/other-sport/article/1320069/calvin -smith-true-winner-1988-seoul-olympics-100-metres-final
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2003/apr/18/athletics.comme nt

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Adam wrote on Thu, 21 April 2016 13:00

Magnum wrote on Thu, 21 April 2016 10:17

Skookum Jim wrote on Mon, 18 April 2016 15:44

Adam wrote on Mon, 18 April 2016 13:03

Skookum Jim wrote on Mon, 18 April 2016 12:51

"Russia has a problem with doping among child athletes in schools", Russian sports minister says..

Pathetic.

http://news.nationalpost.com/sports/russia-has-a-problem-wit h-doping-among-child-athletes-in-schools-sports-minister-say s


It's Canada too.

I used to work out at Millennium Place in Sherwood Park and overheard teenagers talking about how the one guy's mom almost found his steroids. My nephew, who's a pretty good hockey player, is in high school and says he knows where to find steroids if he wants them and that he knows a number of the high school athletes in his school that are using them.

There's so much money, fame and pressure involved around sports that people are willing to try almost anything to get an edge.


I'm referring mostly to the national/international competition level, in Russia its state sponsored, institutionalized, even the Russian WADA anti-doping lab was closed because it was corrupt. Each country, and its individual sport federation, is responsible for testing its own country's athletes, Russia was/is a free for all. In Canada an athlete could take drugs, but they will be tested seriously and frequently (excluding pro sports of course), plus it's not accepted culture, very few have ever tested positive.
In Russia it's just the way things are done, chances of getting caught were/are pretty remote, but when they do, labs and officials are paid off, Despite the very low odds of getting caught, they still have tested positive and suspended by the hundreds.
The only reason their track and field program was exposed, was because a Russian Olympic athlete that had been part of the doping culture, and her husband that worked in a Russian WADA lab, contacted a German TV producer and were able to create a investigative documentary based on eye witnessed accounts. This was the only reason the IIAF and the IOC acknowledged it publicly, they were forced to

You know its bad when a country holds back entire teams from competition because they think they might test positive.

Agree, there is no doubt teenagers are taking steroids in Canada, you just have to go to any local gym and see what you see, they do it for the ego/power trip, and aesthetics. Athletics aren't usually involved at all. Its an epidemic, and not talked about at any level. Could be a whole generation with future liver and heart problems.
Just to show you how bad it is, there is a local franchise type fitness club that a friend of mine goes to, he says there is a box in the men's change room hanging on the wall that is there specifically for disposal of syringes, he talked to one of the guys that works there, he said they had to put it in because guys were discarding the needles everywhere and it was getting unsafe. He said they have to empty it every 2 or 3 days, holds 20 or 30.


There is nothing xenophobic in saying that one country does more doping than another.

Just let it go.



Who accused anyone of being xenophobic here?

I agree that there are some countries where the sports organizations may be more helpful in bending the rules...like the US for example (see Lewis, Carl).

http://www.scmp.com/sport/other-sport/article/1320069/calvin -smith-true-winner-1988-seoul-olympics-100-metres-final
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2003/apr/18/athletics.comme nt


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Magnum wrote on Thu, 21 April 2016 14:15

Adam wrote on Thu, 21 April 2016 13:00

Magnum wrote on Thu, 21 April 2016 10:17

Skookum Jim wrote on Mon, 18 April 2016 15:44

Adam wrote on Mon, 18 April 2016 13:03

Skookum Jim wrote on Mon, 18 April 2016 12:51

"Russia has a problem with doping among child athletes in schools", Russian sports minister says..

Pathetic.

http://news.nationalpost.com/sports/russia-has-a-problem-wit h-doping-among-child-athletes-in-schools-sports-minister-say s


It's Canada too.

I used to work out at Millennium Place in Sherwood Park and overheard teenagers talking about how the one guy's mom almost found his steroids. My nephew, who's a pretty good hockey player, is in high school and says he knows where to find steroids if he wants them and that he knows a number of the high school athletes in his school that are using them.

There's so much money, fame and pressure involved around sports that people are willing to try almost anything to get an edge.


I'm referring mostly to the national/international competition level, in Russia its state sponsored, institutionalized, even the Russian WADA anti-doping lab was closed because it was corrupt. Each country, and its individual sport federation, is responsible for testing its own country's athletes, Russia was/is a free for all. In Canada an athlete could take drugs, but they will be tested seriously and frequently (excluding pro sports of course), plus it's not accepted culture, very few have ever tested positive.
In Russia it's just the way things are done, chances of getting caught were/are pretty remote, but when they do, labs and officials are paid off, Despite the very low odds of getting caught, they still have tested positive and suspended by the hundreds.
The only reason their track and field program was exposed, was because a Russian Olympic athlete that had been part of the doping culture, and her husband that worked in a Russian WADA lab, contacted a German TV producer and were able to create a investigative documentary based on eye witnessed accounts. This was the only reason the IIAF and the IOC acknowledged it publicly, they were forced to

You know its bad when a country holds back entire teams from competition because they think they might test positive.

Agree, there is no doubt teenagers are taking steroids in Canada, you just have to go to any local gym and see what you see, they do it for the ego/power trip, and aesthetics. Athletics aren't usually involved at all. Its an epidemic, and not talked about at any level. Could be a whole generation with future liver and heart problems.
Just to show you how bad it is, there is a local franchise type fitness club that a friend of mine goes to, he says there is a box in the men's change room hanging on the wall that is there specifically for disposal of syringes, he talked to one of the guys that works there, he said they had to put it in because guys were discarding the needles everywhere and it was getting unsafe. He said they have to empty it every 2 or 3 days, holds 20 or 30.


There is nothing xenophobic in saying that one country does more doping than another.

Just let it go.



Who accused anyone of being xenophobic here?

I agree that there are some countries where the sports organizations may be more helpful in bending the rules...like the US for example (see Lewis, Carl).

http://www.scmp.com/sport/other-sport/article/1320069/calvin -smith-true-winner-1988-seoul-olympics-100-metres-final
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2003/apr/18/athletics.comme nt


Just because it isn't written, doesn't mean it isn't said.



I didn't interpret anybody saying, within or between the lines, anything xenophobic. We're talking about facts, and the facts are the Russian athletic teams have been completely discredited due to organized state sponsorship of athletics. Just because the word "Russia" is in there doesn't make it implicitly xenophobic.



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Magnum wrote on Thu, 21 April 2016 13:15

Adam wrote on Thu, 21 April 2016 13:00

Magnum wrote on Thu, 21 April 2016 10:17

Skookum Jim wrote on Mon, 18 April 2016 15:44

Adam wrote on Mon, 18 April 2016 13:03

Skookum Jim wrote on Mon, 18 April 2016 12:51

"Russia has a problem with doping among child athletes in schools", Russian sports minister says..

Pathetic.

http://news.nationalpost.com/sports/russia-has-a-problem-wit h-doping-among-child-athletes-in-schools-sports-minister-say s


It's Canada too.

I used to work out at Millennium Place in Sherwood Park and overheard teenagers talking about how the one guy's mom almost found his steroids. My nephew, who's a pretty good hockey player, is in high school and says he knows where to find steroids if he wants them and that he knows a number of the high school athletes in his school that are using them.

There's so much money, fame and pressure involved around sports that people are willing to try almost anything to get an edge.


I'm referring mostly to the national/international competition level, in Russia its state sponsored, institutionalized, even the Russian WADA anti-doping lab was closed because it was corrupt. Each country, and its individual sport federation, is responsible for testing its own country's athletes, Russia was/is a free for all. In Canada an athlete could take drugs, but they will be tested seriously and frequently (excluding pro sports of course), plus it's not accepted culture, very few have ever tested positive.
In Russia it's just the way things are done, chances of getting caught were/are pretty remote, but when they do, labs and officials are paid off, Despite the very low odds of getting caught, they still have tested positive and suspended by the hundreds.
The only reason their track and field program was exposed, was because a Russian Olympic athlete that had been part of the doping culture, and her husband that worked in a Russian WADA lab, contacted a German TV producer and were able to create a investigative documentary based on eye witnessed accounts. This was the only reason the IIAF and the IOC acknowledged it publicly, they were forced to

You know its bad when a country holds back entire teams from competition because they think they might test positive.

Agree, there is no doubt teenagers are taking steroids in Canada, you just have to go to any local gym and see what you see, they do it for the ego/power trip, and aesthetics. Athletics aren't usually involved at all. Its an epidemic, and not talked about at any level. Could be a whole generation with future liver and heart problems.
Just to show you how bad it is, there is a local franchise type fitness club that a friend of mine goes to, he says there is a box in the men's change room hanging on the wall that is there specifically for disposal of syringes, he talked to one of the guys that works there, he said they had to put it in because guys were discarding the needles everywhere and it was getting unsafe. He said they have to empty it every 2 or 3 days, holds 20 or 30.


There is nothing xenophobic in saying that one country does more doping than another.

Just let it go.



Who accused anyone of being xenophobic here?

I agree that there are some countries where the sports organizations may be more helpful in bending the rules...like the US for example (see Lewis, Carl).

http://www.scmp.com/sport/other-sport/article/1320069/calvin -smith-true-winner-1988-seoul-olympics-100-metres-final
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2003/apr/18/athletics.comme nt


Just because it isn't written, doesn't mean it isn't said.



True.



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Swimming..


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-3543077/ FINA-maintain-suspension-Russian-breaststroke-swimmer-Yulia- Efimova-testing-positive-meldonium.html

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-03-24/russian-swimming-dopin g-evidence-uncovered-reports/7273092

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/mar/23/wada-swimming-r ussia-world-anti-doping-agency-investigate-report-meldonium

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/othersports/article-3516569 /British-swimmer-Adam-Peaty-claims-dopers-ruining-reputation s-athletes.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/doping/article-3508155/Chin ese-swimmers-investigation-anti-doping-violations-FINA-confi rmed.html

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WADA finally investigating Soichi Olympic doping.
Taped conversation with Russian WADA lab director indicating at least 4 russian gold medalists were doped, as well as KGB agents employed in the Olympic doping lab as "doping control agents", just to "keep an eye on things". Unreal.

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/may/10/whistleblower-v italy-stepanov-wada-russian-doping-athletics
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The World Anti-Doping Agency has opened an investigation into allegations of Russian doping at the 2014 Sochi Winter Olympics. Wada will look into claims, broadcast by CBS 60 Minutes in the United States on Sunday, that numerous Russian athletes used performance-enhancing drugs at the Winter Games. The Wada president, Sir Craig Reedie, said: “Wada will probe these new allegations immediately.”

Russia’s track and field athletes are the subject of a suspension which places their participation in the Rio Olympics in doubt. The ban was imposed following a Wada-commissioned independent report into allegations of drug use in athletics. And Wada is now looking into the latest claims, which Reedie described as “a real cause for concern”.

A Wada statement read: “On the basis of recorded conversations between [whistleblower] Vitaly Stepanov and the former Moscow laboratory director, Dr Grigory Rodchenkov, the broadcast claims that numerous Russian athletes were doped at Sochi; including four gold medallists that were using steroids.


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“The broadcast also suggests that the Russian Federal Security Service interfered with the Games anti-doping program; including, some FSB agents having been employed as doping control officers. Wada has not yet been able to independently verify these allegations, but will now conduct further inquiries into the allegations without delay. This includes initiating the process to access the recorded conversations in which Dr Rocdhenkov aired his views, as cited in the programme.”


WADA doesn't exactly seem eager to pursue it either according to the Russian whistleblower Stepanov. He's a brave guy (and his wife) knowing you are going up against Putin and the KGB (they have since gone into hiding, as you'd expect).
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Stepanov has said he nearly aborted his plan to expose widespread doping in Russian athletics when the Wada was slow to act on the information he provided them. Stepanov, who previously worked for Russia’s anti-doping agency, said he second-guessed himself countless times during a three-year stretch where information he fed to Wada did not lead to action.

“I was falling asleep and telling myself I am an idiot,” Stepanov told Reuters. “That was probably my thought a lot of times. Especially after each major competition that was my thought. What am I doing?”

Stepanov, who had over 200 email exchanges with Wada starting in 2010, provided evidence for a German television documentary called “Top Secret Doping: How Russia Makes Its Winners” that led to the establishment of a Wada independent commission last year.

“I was frustrated with myself,” said Stepanov, who is now living in an undisclosed location in the United States with his wife. “That was half of the time. The other half of the time there was hope Wada was looking for ways to deal with this issue and you have to be really patient. I thought the best I could do was provide the information and hope it was used for the right reason.”

http://www.dnaindia.com/sport/report-russia-s-anti-doping-wh istleblower-vitaly-stepanoy-almost-aborted-his-expose-plan-2 210927

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Wada’s spokesman Ben Nichols responded by saying the agency acted as soon as it could. Before 2015, Wada did not have the authority to conduct its own investigations under the World Anti-Doping Code, according to Nichols.

Travis Tygart, the chief executive of the US Anti-Doping Agency, when asked about the alleged Wada inaction, said: “From a clean athlete perspective, it is really hard to stomach that they didn’t. It rattles confidence in the system.”

Tygart noted the Wada foundation board would meet in Montreal on Wednesday and Thursday. “One way or another future generations are going to look back at this as a defining moment in the fight for clean sport.” he added.

(Tygart is the guy who led the investigation into Lance Armstrong's doping and finally brought him down)

Seems WADA, IIHF, and the IOC, only act against doping cases in their sports when an independant news story gets out to the public domain, where they are forced to act, or at least appear to "act". In fact, I think they are afraid to look, afraid of what they'll find, it'll make their lives difficult, or near impossible, going up against the massive money and politics involved.

Sadly, the Olympic movement has turned into a multi billion dollar corporation that is more about making money for those running it than the competitions they are supposed to champion. Rancid with corruption.

Victor Conte, who knows a thing or two about doping, has a few comments.
http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/sports/Overwhelming-Majority- of-Olympic-Athletes-are-Doping-374209561.html

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Comments from Canadian Athletes that competed in Soichi.


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Russia led the medal table in Sochi Olympics with 33 podium appearances -- 13 gold, 11 silver and nine bronze. Four years earlier in Vancouver, Russia finished 11th in the medal standings -- a showing labelled “a national humiliation” by the politicians back home.

According to Stepanov, performance-enhancing drugs aided the massive rise in Russia’s fortunes over just four years



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“I’m not surprised," Morrison, one of Canada’s most outspoken athletes on the topic of alleged cheating by the Russian Federation, wrote in a text message to Postmedia. “I’m sad that it takes a 'whistle-blower' to expose this type of thing.

“Four gold medallists aside, how many silver medallists and bronze medallists stole Olympic glory from other athletes who were so close to the podium? And how many athletes were still doping who didn’t make the podium?”

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For his part, Morrison won silver and bronze in Sochi behind two Dutchmen and a Polish skater.

“In my case, No Russians beat me in Sochi specifically,” he wrote. “They have absolutely dominated me and others at world championships since the Sochi Games. But it feels good to know that I either beat doped athletes in Sochi, or I know that I can beat them when they aren’t cheating.”


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“The reports and issues regarding these on-going Russian doping allegations are obviously worrisome but on a bigger, deeper level, it just makes me sad,” said Canadian cross-country skier Devon Kershaw. “Sport is supposed to be for the love of the game and to see how good you can get on your own merit -- you versus yourself so to speak.

“When it becomes something other than that and people -- entire sporting cultures cheating to win some random metal object on a ribbon -- then we’ve lost our way.”



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Initially lost, Sam Edney moved on with his life the best he could after narrowly missing out bronze in Sochi. The 31-year-old slider is completing his Bachelor’s degree in commerce from Royal Roads University and preparing for one more shot at Olympic glory in 2018.

The news of alleged steroid use by Russian athletes in Sochi hit Edney hard all the same.

“You never really get over fourth place,” Edney told Postmedia from Victoria, taking great pains to say he’s not accusing any luge athletes of cheating.

Edney and his Canadian crew of Alex Gough, Justin Snith and Tristan Snith finished fourth in the team relay, behind Germany, Russia and Latvia. In fact, the hard-luck Canadians registered three fourth-place finishes on the Sochi track.

“An Olympic medal is a life-changing moment for an athlete,” Edney said. "It’s just hard to think of what might have been.”

National sports federations receive top-up government funding based on athlete performances. Olympians themselves can attract sponsorship dollars that would otherwise be out of reach without a medal.

“Somebody is getting cheated out of a moment that could make or break their career,” Edney said. “The repercussions just go so far down the line.”

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Luge had one of the best conspiracy theories of the 2014 Olympics. It has been alleged (not by the Canadian luge team - that's important) that the Russian hosts manipulated ice temperature on the track to speed up and slow down racers.


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CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 11 May 2016 10:46

Luge had one of the best conspiracy theories of the 2014 Olympics. It has been alleged (not by the Canadian luge team - that's important) that the Russian hosts manipulated ice temperature on the track to speed up and slow down racers.


I didn't hear that one before, varying ice temperature is pretty tough to do between runs, you need time for the ice to warm up. Found the article..

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2559716/Russia-accus ed-cheating-luge-event-HEATING-UP-track-Canadian-coach-says- track-officials-adjusted-levels-boiler-room.html

OK, so that is how you do it.

Apparently the Russian team didn't compete in the last world cup competition prior to Soichi, which gave them zero points, dropped them in teh international rankings, and made sure they would ride down in the middle of the start order, thereby allowing time to change the ice temperature after their run and for the ice to warm up for the best teams later on. The fact they opted out of the last World Cup to ensure a middle start spot, adds credence to the accusation, normally you want to run last so you know what times you have to beat.

After reading what they were doing in the WADA drug testing lab at Soichi (they had KGB agents posing as drug control agents) I wouldn't put anything past them, getting a guy to change a dial in the ice control room would be a trivial effort.

Russia were 11th in medal count in 2010 in Vancouver, Putin said it was a national "Humiliation", "changes will be made.." and .... voila, they are top in medals in Sochi 4 years later, winning medals in some sports they were never competitive in previously. A miracle.

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The Canadian luge coach has accused Russia of cheating in the event by heating up the track.
Wolfgang Staudinger says his team were cheated out of a medal by one tenth of a second because the temperature controls were tampered with, slowing his team down.
Canada came fourth overall, behind Germany who took the gold, Russia who claimed silver, and Latvia who won bronze.

Staudinger told the Toronto Star: 'Canada was silver at the top but the further we went down the slower we got and that’s a clear sign that the track slowed down dramatically.
'We just couldn’t keep the speed and (the team’s) sliding wasn’t that bad.
'It’s always hard to prove, but I’m long enough in the business that I can tell you when people, especially the Austrians who won silver yesterday, were dropping half a second that’s not normal.'
As the ice becomes damaged and melts during the event, the luge will travel slower, meaning the teams with the highest standing are usually allowed to go first on their initial run, but are then moved lower down the order.
As the Russians did not compete in the last World cup event they surrendered their ranking and raced in the middle of the pack instead, which Staudinger said was a 'red flag'.
He claims that the Russians raised the temperature of the track, controlled by pipes set into the ice, between their run and their faster competitors.
While the German team easily won the event, Staudinger shrugged off their success, saying they were good enough to adapt, noting that their usual one and a half second winning margin was reduced to just one second.



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Recent comments by Dick Pound, recent head of WADA . (no, that is not a porn name!)

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/may/05/olympic-games- russia-rio-dick-pound-wada-president



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It keeps getting better. New York Times article today.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/13/sports/russia-doping-sochi -olympics-2014.html

Apparently the director of the WADA Olympic anti-doping lab during Sochi, Dr. Grigory Radchenkov is coming clean and telling all.
Sochi Olympics were a joke.
Not only did they change positive doping results for Russian athletes, they were even doping their athletes DURING the games knowing they would not test positive as all their results were monitored and taken care of inside the lab.

Most athletes that dope now will do so outside of competition, stopping before they compete, in order to leave a window of time for the drugs to leave their systems, or at least become undetectable with current testing methods, because they assume they'll be caught when tested at the competition. They will still get the positive effects from the drugs, although diminished due to the time from their last dose to the competition. However, although effects are diminished, they know they'll be safe from testing, and still get meaningful performance benefits.

However, the Russians went FULL GAS, they didn't even bother with leaving a "window" for the drugs to leave their systems, that's for losers, they were doping right through competition, maximum doping benefits, knowing they were on a drug free pass from the lab inside.

This was a STATE RUN and SANCTIONED program. The Kremlin had control of the Olympic anti-doping lab.
The entire results from Sochi are a joke.
Makes the IOC look like fools. The IOC was always corrupt, but now they look like complete idiots. A embarrassment and a betrayal in trust to all the other athletes.

If I were a competitor at those games, not from Russia, I'd be pissed. Can you imagine dedicating your entire life to an Olympic sport, from a youth, giving up a career, time, family, to compete at this one Games, and now know you never had a chance, that the entire thing was rigged from the start?

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LOS ANGELES — Dozens of Russian athletes at the 2014 Winter Olympics in Sochi, including at least 15 medal winners, were part of a state-run doping program, meticulously planned for years to ensure dominance at the Games, according to the director of the country’s anti-doping laboratory at the time.

The director, Grigory Rodchenkov, who ran the laboratory that handled testing for thousands of Olympians, said he developed a three-drug cocktail of banned substances that he mixed with liquor and provided to dozens of Russian athletes, helping to facilitate one of the most elaborate — and successful — doping ploys in sports history.

It involved some of Russia’s biggest stars of the Games, including 14 members of its cross-country ski team and two veteran bobsledders who won two golds.

In a dark-of-night operation, Russian antidoping experts and members of the intelligence services (ie KGB agents) surreptitiously replaced urine samples tainted by performance-enhancing drugs with clean urine collected months earlier, somehow breaking into the supposedly tamper-proof bottles that are the standard at international competitions, Dr. Rodchenkov said. For hours each night, they worked in a shadow laboratory lit by a single lamp, passing bottles of urine through a hand-size hole in the wall, to be ready for testing the next day, he said.

By the end of the Games, Dr. Rodchenkov estimated, as many as 100 dirty urine samples were expunged.

None of the athletes were caught doping. More important, Russia won the most medals of the Games, easily surpassing its main rival, the United States, and undermining the integrity of one of the world’s most prestigious sporting events


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Dr. Rodchenkov said he received the spreadsheet naming athletes on the doping program on Jan. 21, 2014, two weeks before the Games and shortly after he arrived in Sochi to begin work at the Olympic laboratory. It was to be used for reference during competition, Dr. Rodchenkov said, and outlined the competition schedule for each athlete. If any of them won a medal, their urine samples had to be substituted.


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People are celebrating Olympic champion winners, but we are sitting crazy and replacing their urine,” Dr. Rodchenkov said. “Can you imagine how Olympic sport is organized?”


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Dr. Rodchenkov described his own work at Sochi as a “strong accomplishment,” the apex of a decade-long effort to perfect Russia’s doping strategy at international competitions.

“We were fully equipped, knowledgeable, experienced and perfectly prepared for Sochi like never before,” he said. “It was working like a Swiss watch.”

After Sochi, Dr. Rodchenkov was awarded the prestigious Order of Friendship by President Vladimir V. Putin.


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Dr. Rodchenkov said it was up to him to ensure that Russian athletes won the most medals, preferably gold ones.

He had been the director of Russia’s antidoping laboratory in Moscow since 2005, and was widely considered among the world’s top experts in performance-enhancing drugs. He often experimented with such drugs on himself, he said.

He published papers in peer-reviewed journals, traveled often to scientific conferences abroad and was a frequent guest at the annual antidoping symposium organized by the United States Anti-Doping Agency, most recently in October in Lansdowne, Va., just a month before he was forced to step down.

The Recipe for Success
By his own admission, Dr. Rodchenkov, who has a Ph.D. in analytical chemistry, used his expertise to help athletes properly use banned substances and go undetected, which he says was done at the behest of the Russian government. After years of trial and error, he said, he developed a cocktail of three anabolic steroids — metenolone, trenbolone and oxandrolone — that he claims many top-level Russian athletes used leading up to the London Olympics in 2012 and throughout the Sochi Games.

The drugs, Dr. Rodchenkov said, helped athletes recover quickly after grueling training regimens, allowing them to compete in top form over successive days.

To speed up absorption of the steroids and shorten the detection window, he dissolved the drugs in alcohol — Chivas whiskey for men, Martini vermouth for women.

Dr. Rodchenkov’s formula was precise: one milligram of the steroid mixture for every milliliter of alcohol. The athletes were instructed to swish the liquid around in their mouths, under the tongue, to absorb the drugs.

In the interviews, Dr. Rodchenkov boasted about his ability to shield doped athletes from detection. Even so, Russia had the highest number of athletes caught doping in 2014, according to WADA statistics.

Dr. Rodchenkov said that some of his athletes would at times take drugs he had not approved, making them vulnerable to discovery. “All athletes are like small children,” he said. “They’ll put anything you give them into their mouths.”


Long range planning, the KGB gets interested..
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For Dr. Rodchenkov, preparations for Sochi began in earnest in the fall of 2013. It was around that time, he said, that a man he came to believe was working for the Russian internal intelligence service, the F.S.B., began showing up at the lab in Moscow, inquiring about the bottles used for storing the urine samples tested for banned substances.

The man took a particular interest in the toothed metal rings that lock the bottles when the cap is twisted shut. He collected hundreds of them, Dr. Rodchenkov said.

An employee at the lab, who spoke only on condition of anonymity, fearing reprisals from the authorities, said that at some point it was communicated to employees that the man was there to “protect the lab.” He would pepper people with questions about the bottles, the employee said, but always in a friendly way. While his motivations were not explicit, they eventually became obvious to those working in the lab.

“It was clear that he was going to try to get into the bottles,” the employee said.

At all major international athletic competitions, athletes are required to submit a urine sample for testing. The sample is divided into two bottles. One, the A bottle, is tested immediately; the other, the B bottle, is sealed and stored for up to 10 years, in case the athlete’s past performance is ever called into question. A Swiss company, Berlinger, produces the self-locking glass bottles used for international competitions, including the Olympics.

Because of the strict testing protocols at competitions, Dr. Rodchenkov said, athletes typically have to halt the use of banned substances before an event to avoid testing positive. But in hosting the Sochi Games, national sports officials saw an opportunity: They could control the antidoping lab results, he said, and allow athletes to use performance-enhancing drugs throughout competition.

Getting into the bottles was the key.

How exactly this was accomplished is still a mystery. Dr. Rodchenkov claims that at some point several weeks before the start of the Games, the man he believed to be an F.S.B. agent presented him with a previously sealed bottle that had been opened, its uniquely numbered cap intact.

“When I first time saw that bottle is open, I did not believe my eyes,” he said, adding: “I truly believed this was tamper proof.”


Alarm bells rang, suspicions raised, but WADA and the IOC refuse to act, they give Russia the OK, knowing past history of international sports federations, could money have been involved? An operation this big, the billions spent on Sochi, likely.
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In the months before Sochi, according to the November WADA report, international doping officials had threatened to revoke the accreditation of Dr. Rodchenkov’s lab because of suspicious discrepancies in sample results and complaints of “external interferences” in the lab’s operations. In November 2013, a disciplinary committee convened in Johannesburg to review the case.

“Despite the substandard performance of the laboratory, there was a distinct desire not to revoke the accreditation of the laboratory prior to the Sochi Olympics,” last year’s WADA report said.


How it was done.. like a freaking movie.
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The testing laboratory for the Sochi Games had a staff of nearly 100 people, including employees of Dr. Rodchenkov’s lab in Moscow as well as dozens of international antidoping experts, flown in from cities like Beijing; Doha, Qatar; and Lausanne, Switzerland.

Security was tight. There were numerous surveillance cameras, and anyone wishing to enter the lab required security clearance.

An independent observer watched over the lab at random times of day, WADA said, but rarely worked overnight during the roughly two weeks of competition.

Dr. Rodchenkov said that each night, a sports ministry official would send him a list of athletes whose samples needed to be swapped. To match the individual athletes to their anonymous samples — which are coded with a seven-digit number — Dr. Rodchenkov said that athletes snapped pictures of their sample forms, including the code, and texted them to the ministry, offering forbidden insight into whose urine was whose.

After receiving a signal that “the urines were ready,” he changed from his lab coat into a Russian national team sweatshirt and left his fourth-floor office, typically after midnight. He checked that the coast was clear and made his way to Room 124, officially a storage space that he and his team had converted into a shadow laboratory.

There, he said, with the room’s single window blacked out with tape, the switch would be made.

A colleague stationed next door in the sample collection room would retrieve the correct bottles and pass them into the storage room through a circular hole cut through the wall near the floor, Dr. Rodchenkov said. During the day, he said, the hole was concealed by a small imitation-wood cabinet.

The sealed B bottles were handed over to the man Dr. Rodchenkov believed was a Russian intelligence officer, who would take them to an adjacent building. Within hours, Dr. Rodchenkov said, the bottles were returned to the storage room, their caps unlocked.

That man also supplied clean urine, collected from each of the athletes months prior to the Olympics, before they started doping, Dr. Rodchenkov said. It was delivered in soda bottles, baby formula bottles and other miscellaneous containers, he said.

Making sure to keep the overhead light off, Dr. Rodchenkov and a colleague dumped the tainted urine into a nearby toilet, washed out the bottles, dried them with filter paper and filled them with the clean urine.

He would then add table salt or water to balance out any inconsistencies in the recorded specifications of the two samples. Depending on what an athlete had consumed, two urine samples taken at different times could vary.

Typically, the small team worked till dawn, breaking only occasionally for instant coffee and cigarettes.


The results of a perfect plan.. Glory for Mother Russia... but more importantly ..glory for Vladimir V. Putin
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In the Sochi Games, Russian athletes won 33 medals — including 13 golds, 10 more than at the previous Winter Olympics.

A third of all medals were awarded to athletes whose names appeared on the spreadsheet outlining the government’s doping plan that Dr. Rodchenkov said was provided by the sports ministry before the Games.

They included Alexander Zubkov, a veteran bobsledder who won two golds; Alexander Legkov, a cross-country skier who won gold and silver; and Alexander Tretyakov, who won gold in the skeleton competition.

Still, not all athletes on the list won a medal. The entire women’s hockey team was doping throughout the Games, Dr. Rodchenkov said. It finished in sixth place.

Efforts to reach these athletes and others through their sports federations in Russia were unsuccessful. Several of the federations replied and denied any wrongdoing by their athletes. A spokesperson for the Russian Bobsled Federation said that all of its athletes “underwent doping control procedures in accordance to the rules.”

“All of them were clean and not one positive result was found.”


WADA, IOC, happy with the results, success is measured by lack of controversy, billions of dollars made, by everyone...
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After the Olympics, the praise directed at Dr. Rodchenkov was effusive. He received commendations from not only Mr. Putin, but also the International Olympic Committee and the World Anti-Doping Agency.

A subsequent report published by WADA called Sochi “a milestone in the evolution of the Olympic Games antidoping program.” rofl faint


Looking back..
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Reflecting on his career, he said he was unapologetic about his role in Russia’s doping program, considering it a condition of his employment. To receive funding and support for his lab, he said, he had to do the Kremlin’s bidding.

He had occasionally, however, run afoul of the Russian authorities in his work. In 2011, he was investigated for trafficking in performance-enhancing drugs, and he said he fully expected to go to prison. His sister was convicted and imprisoned on similar charges.

The investigation into Dr. Rodchenkov, however, disappeared.
He said he could not be sure why, but he suspected that he had been spared punishment so that he could play a crucial role at the Sochi Games.

“It’s my redemption: success in Sochi,” he said. “Instead of being in prison, win at any cost.”


Rodchenkov was named in the recent IAAF doping scandal, forced to resign by Russia, along with other colleagues, who subsequently died within two weeks of each other. Coincidence? Well, one them, Nikita Kamayev, was the Head of the Russian Anti Doping Agency (RUSADA), who was going to write a tell-all book about the Russian doping program, unfortunately he never lived long enough to have the opportunity.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-athletics-corruption-russi a-idUSKCN0VU007
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Nikita Kamayev, former head of Russia's Anti-Doping Agency, approached the Sunday Times before his death offering to expose the country's secret development of performance-enhancing drugs, the newspaper has reported.

Ten weeks before he passed away, Kamayev said he wanted to write a book that would reveal the complete extent of doping in Russia, the Sunday Times said in a front-page article.

"I want to write a book about the true story of sport pharmacology and doping in Russia since 1987 while being a young scientist working in a secret lab in the USSR Institute

of Sports Medicine," he told the newspaper in an email.

"I have the information and facts that have never been published."


Looks like Dr. Rodchenkov is picking up the baton.

Dr. Rodchenkov probably had his own thoughts about the "coincidence" in the deaths of his colleagues , he fled to the United States and is now participating in a documentary to record these events, once it's out in public, it probably offers him some amount of protection. Too late to be silenced, and more difficult for something mysterious happening to him without it being obvious. In addition, now outside of Russia any death would be properly investigated, never mind the repercussions if anything happened to him on USA soil. He also is likely getting paid for the documentary, but I'm doubtful what he's getting paid is worth his life.

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... The next year, however, WADA published a very different report which said investigators had found systematic doping among Russian track and field athletes. That inquiry, prompted by accusations from two whistle-blowers in Russian athletics — first published by the German public broadcaster ARD — put Dr. Rodchenkov squarely at the center of a national conspiracy.

Within days, he was forced to resign, he said, and fearing for his safety, fled to Los Angeles. His travel was arranged by Mr. Fogel, whom he had first met just after Sochi, in 2014. Mr. Fogel was working on a documentary seeking to expose shortcomings in drug-testing for international sport — charting his own competition results with and without banned drugs — and Dr. Rodchenkov served as his adviser.

In his six months in Los Angeles, Dr. Rodchenkov has taken on a more active role in that documentary, “Icarus,” to be released in September. He has otherwise spent his time gardening, making borscht and writing in his diary.



Here is an article on the two Russian anti-doping officials who both died within two weeks of each other, and a month after being implicated in a doping scandal with the IAAF. The one guy, Kamayev was the HEAD of the Russian Anti-Doping Agency, who had stated he was in the process of writing a tell-all book just prior to him expiring.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/16/world/europe/nikita-kamaye v-ex-head-of-russian-antidoping-agency-dies.html?action=clic k&contentCollection=Sports&module=RelatedCoverage&am p;am p;am p;am p;am p;am p;am p;am p;am p;am p;am p;region=EndOfArticle&pgtype=article

http://www.eurosport.com/athletics/russia-anti-doping-chief- planned-whistleblowing-book_sto5187194/story.shtml

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MOSCOW — A former director of the disgraced Russian antidoping agency has died unexpectedly, a state news agency reported Monday, becoming the second former top official of the agency to die this month.

The former executive, Nikita Kamayev, apparently had a heart attack at home after feeling chest pain while cross-country skiing, the news agency Tass reported, citing another former senior official.

“He never complained about heart problems, at least to me,” said the official, Ramil Khabriev. “Maybe his wife knew about such problems.”

Mr. Kamayev was 52.

The agency’s founding chairman, Vyacheslav Sinev, died Feb. 3, according to a statement from the agency, known by its acronym Rusada. It did not give a cause of death.

Both Mr. Khabriev and Mr. Kamayev resigned in December, a month after the World Anti-Doping Agency released a damning and, for the Russian government, highly embarrassing report describing a state-backed system of sports cheating in the Olympics and other international competitions.


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Nikita Kamayev, former head of Russia's Anti-Doping Agency, approached the Sunday Times before his death offering to expose the country's secret development of performance-enhancing drugs, the newspaper has reported.

Ten weeks before he passed away, Kamayev said he wanted to write a book that would reveal the complete extent of doping in Russia, the Sunday Times said in a front-page article.

"I want to write a book about the true story of sport pharmacology and doping in Russia since 1987 while being a young scientist working in a secret lab in the USSR Institute of Sports Medicine," he told the newspaper in an email.

"I have the information and facts that have never been published."

[Updated on: Thu, 12 May 2016 19:28]


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WADA asks FINA (Swimming's International Federation) to investigate Russian doping by their swimmers.

http://globalnews.ca/news/2597224/wada-to-examine-claims-of- russian-doping-in-swimming/

However, don't hold your breath though, apparently FINA is pretty close with V. Putin.

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FINA has previously been criticized for its close ties to Russia, after giving President Vladimir Putin its highest award – months before Kazan hosted the 2015 world championships.


They only won one gold medal in the last World Swimming Championships, which they hosted.. she was a previous doper .. then guess what? Yep, she tests positive again.

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Canadian athletes react.

http://www.newsoptimist.ca/explosive-report-on-russian-dopin g-draws-attention-of-canada-s-olympians-1.2253797

http://news.nationalpost.com/sports/rio-2016/its-pretty-disg usting-canadian-olympians-respond-to-allegations-of-state-sp onsored-russian-doping-in-sochi

http://www.postbulletin.com/sports/national/athletes-tell-an ti-doping-agency-to-take-action-on-russia/article_ee82f1be-d 016-5482-a852-c3942234ce66.html

Beckie Scott (Chair of the WADA Athletes Committee)
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Canada's Beckie Scott, whose Olympic bronze in cross-country skiing in 2002 was eventually upgraded to gold when two Russians were stripped of their medals, spoke at a World Anti-Doping Agency meeting Thursday in Montreal

As the chair of WADA's athletes committee urged the organization to use its influence to ban Russia from this summer's Olympics in Rio, the Times article appeared to further fuel the furore.

“We acknowledge that WADA does not have jurisdiction over the Olympic Games,” said Scott, of Vermilion, Alta. “WADA does have, however, influence and clean athletes of the world propose that you use that influence with respect to Rio and Games beyond. Athletes strongly feel that if there cannot be a guarantee that athletes there from Russia are clean and not involved in doping activity that they should not be there.”



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... Throughout the meeting, there were calls for increased funding for WADA and for a beefed-up investigative arm that would allow the agency to pursue evidence of cheating instead of waiting for the media and others to uncover it.

All in the works, Reedie promised.

But the Olympics are less than three months away, and Scott may have best framed the bottom-line concern.

"The anti-doping movement requires athletes to believe it's working," she said. "If we don't lead investigations, and not just follow up on TV programs — if we don't sanction (athletes and countries), then we lose belief not only in the system, but in the idea that winning clean is possible."


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Scott's husband Justin Wadsworth coached Canada's cross-country ski team in Sochi. The Times stated 14 skiers on Russia's cross-country team were part of the doping scheme.

Wadsworth was not at all surprised by the doping allegations or the extent of them detailed by the Times. That a whistleblower emerged to tell the tale does surprise him.

"The way these things usually break is someone on the inside finally sees something and they want to speak out and they have the guts to do it," Wadsworth said. "In Russia, that's a really dangerous thing. My hat goes off to the people who have spoken up thus far within the system.

"Kids will hear it on the news tonight. They'll ask about it. Our kids know and still ask questions about what happened with Beckie's medal and the Russians."



Hayley Wickenheiser
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Five-time Olympic hockey medallist Hayley Wickenheiser calls the allegations “extremely disturbing but not surprising.”
"I totally, fully support Beckie Scott's statements and what she's doing on behalf of clean athletes in the world," Wickenheiser told The Canadian Press.

What raised Wickenheiser's eyebrows was the Times assertion that Russia's "entire women’s hockey team was doping throughout the Games."

The Russian women finished sixth in the tournament. Two members of that team were previously Wickenheiser's teammates on the University of Calgary Dinos.

“Hockey is not typically a sport with a history of rampant doping,” said Wickenheiser, a member of the International Olympic Committee’s athletes’ commission. “This all needs to be fully investigated, and we need to stand by those protecting clean athletes. It reads like a bad spy novel.”

Added Wickenheiser: "As a member of the IOC athletes' commission, it's part of my job to stand up for clean athletes."

"I hope it's a watershed moment for clean sport. There's too many athletes losing out on medal and performance positions because of athletes that aren't clean."




Ivanie Blondin- Speedskater
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Calgary – Speed skater Ivanie Blodin emerged from body-mass testing Thursday at the Olympic Oval only to hear about yet another doping scandal in amateur sports.

The New York Times reported Thursday that dozens of Russian athletes – including 15 medallists – took part in a state-sponsored doping program at the 2014 Sochi Olympics.

“It’s pretty disgusting,” said Blondin, a world champion in the mass start who finished fifth in the team pursuit behind the third-place Russians in Sochi. “But I can totally believe it.”
For her part, Blondin plans to continue training for the 2018 Winter Games in Pyeongchang, South Korea — although she doubts the competition will be entirely clean.

“It feels like doping is always going to be present,” Blondin said. “Unless every single athlete is under supervision 24-7, there’s no way to control it. The more I think about it, the more depressing it is. Why am I an athlete when we’re just going to get cheated?”

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Not just Russia might be banned from the Rio Olympics, Kenya has had a string of athlete doping positives, since London Olympics, 40 Kenyans have been banned, .. yikes..

http://www.postbulletin.com/sports/national/athletes-tell-an ti-doping-agency-to-take-action-on-russia/article_ee82f1be-d 016-5482-a852-c3942234ce66.html

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The problems in Kenya run well outside the country's borders. Since the London Games, 40 Kenyans have been banned, all but five of them caught outside their home country. The Associated Press reported that because of difficulty processing samples, some athletes are given advance notice of their tests, which makes it easier to escape detection.


If Kenyans have to dope to win a race, there really is something wrong with sport.



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Russian boxer Alexander Povetkin fails test, WBC heavyweight title fight postponed. Not sure why he wasn't just banned... oh yeah .. it's boxing.. surprised he was even tested!

http://www.cbssports.com/general/eye-on-sports/25588812/wbc- postpones-wilder-povetkin-title-bout-after-povetkins-failed- drug-test



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IOC retested 454 athletes from 2008, Beijing, with latest lab testing abilities.
Per news article, more Russians expected, along with others. 31 Positives, from 12 countries and 6 sports.
They say they will also expand testing in Beijing based on the amount of recent positives found in first batch of testing.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/may/17/thirty-one-ath letes-face-possible-olympic-games-ban-after-positive-doping- tests-drugs-in-sport-ioc

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-olympics-doping-russia-idU SKCN0Y9129

Athlete samples are held now for 10 years for availability for retesting, used to be only 8. They've re-tested Beijing samples before the clock ran out, next up will be London.

I'll be interested to see who these athletes are that they caught, and from what countries. I predict no one high profile. Might be some Russians because they are an easier target for IOC discipline now. Probably not too happy one of their largest financial contributors is taking all this heat. Only 31 positives from 454 tests seems pretty low, only 7%, especially since they were purported to be targeted against suspected dopers with previous history.

Stay tuned...

IOC and the specific international sports federations, like IIAF, FINA, FIS, probably even the IIHF, have always been lukewarm to finding positives, especially if it's a high ranked, high profile athlete, or a large, wealthy, influential country. It's bad for business all around.

Historically the athletes the IOC "catch" are low ranked, from small countries, preferably in lower profile sports. It's like a show trial, shows everyone they are "doing something", without hurting business or the IOC prestige and brand, and they are all about the "brand".

With the recent evidence (evidence having nothing to do with IOC or WADA investigative efforts) about the Russians in Sochi actually controlling the IOC drug lab, substituting Russian urine samples, and changing test results the IOC have to be seen to do something publicly, the brand has been damaged.

However, the retesting is not transparent, the names of the athletes tested, and their results, are not known until the IOC announces positive results. Who knows who they tested, and what those results were, the whole process is too easy for subversion. Especially after what has happened in athletics with the IIAF, and UCI (cycling), who have been routinely involved in cover ups and payoffs. It's known that Lance Armstrong tested positive and the UCI covered it up.
For example, what would happen if Mr. U. Bolt tested positive, do you think they'd want that getting out, it would ruin Rio for them, and billions worth of brand damage.

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The IOC retested 454 samples from Beijing, using new anti-doping techniques that were not available at the time of the 2008 Games. They targeted athletes who are due to compete in Rio and around 7% of those tests came back positive


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The IOC also ordered some 250 retests from London 2012 this week, the results of which are expected within seven days.

IOC Spin Doctors begin! ".. Zero tolerance" lmao .. These guys are so predictable it's hilarious!
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The IOC will also undertake wider retrospective testing of medallists from Beijing and London, while samples from those athletes who could be promoted to medal status because of the disqualification of others will also be retested.

Bach said it would apply a zero tolerance policy not only with regard to individual athletes, but to all their entourage within its reach”.

He added: “This action could range from lifelong Olympic bans for any implicated person, to tough financial sanctions, to acceptance of suspension or exclusion of entire national federations like the already existing one for the Russian Athletics Federation by the International Association of Athletics Federations.

“Should the investigation prove the allegations true, it would represent a shocking new dimension in doping with an, until now, unimaginable level of criminality.”

“The retests from Beijing and London and the measures we are taking following the worrying allegations against the laboratory in Sochi are another major step to protect the clean athletes irrespective of any sport or any nation.

“We keep samples for 10 years so that the cheats know that they can never rest. By stopping so many doped athletes from participating in Rio we are showing once more our determination to protect the integrity of the Olympic competitions, including the Rio anti-doping laboratory.” (Go Spin Doctor, protect that brand!!)



"..Protect the clean athletes"? rofl Since when? That's the last thing the IOC cares about.

Dick Pound, the former head of WADA, former Canadian Olympic swimmer, lawyer, long time IOC member, and highly vocal against doping and the need for better testing and investigative efforts by WADA and the IOC, was actually up for the position of IOC president a while ago .. surprise .. didn't get voted in .. nobody wants someone sticking there nose in where it doesn't belong and upsetting the gravy train.

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Cam Cole is one who gets it... must be reading this thread!

http://news.nationalpost.com/sports/rio-2016/dont-expect-the -ioc-to-do-the-right-thing-in-the-face-of-doping-scandal-it- seldom-does

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In WADA’s perfect world, all the cheaters have been found out, and those who were thinking of doping have been scared straight by the terrible consequences of testing positive.

Isn’t that adorable?


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It is a far different Utopia than the International Olympic Committee’s idea of perfection.
The IOC needs its stars, including its star nations, the virtuous and the corrupt and all those in between. As surely as it needs heroes to celebrate, it needs villains to cheer against.

Most of all, it needs the largest possible global footprint to generate ever more revenue for its bulging Swiss vault, and when all the moralizing and tough talk is over, it can’t see how blanket-punishing a medal-winning bully like Russia is going to do anything but cost it money.


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A Games without Russia would be a Games that always would have an asterisk. Like Moscow sans the United States in 1980, or Los Angeles without the Soviets in ’84.

Banning the entire Russian team, which IOC president Thomas Bach admitted was a possibility during a teleconference on Wednesday, may well be the right thing to do.

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But the IOC is so out of practice at doing the right thing after awarding the 2008 Olympics to serial human rights offender China, and the 2014 Games to serial human rights offender Russia, and then doubling back to Beijing in 2022 — for a Winter Games, incredibly — that there is virtually no chance it can summon the will to take a truly strong stand against corruption.

That would be venturing into pot-calling-the-kettle territory, after all.


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Bach, the former Olympic champion fencer, made all the right noises Wednesday, admitting that doping had reached “unprecedented levels of criminality.”
Bach warned that lifelong bans could be imposed for doped athletes, even entire national teams. (Harrumph, harrumph!)

Who really thinks that’s going to happen?


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WADA will do an investigation into Rodchenkov’s allegations, relying on Moscow’s co-operation, even as Russia calls him a “turncoat” for blowing the whistle. If enough evidence turns up to justify the IOC accepting that this is a clear case of state-sponsored doping, it might be backed into a corner from which there is no alternative but to act.

“Should there be evidence of an organized system contaminating other sports, international federations and the IOC will have to make the difficult decision between collective responsibility and individual justice,” Bach said.

But if and when, the IOC chief said, it would of course be up to the international sports federations to decide on punishment. (Hedge, hedge.)


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Meanwhile, in a crackdown on drug cheats, as Rio approaches and the level of faith in the fair-play spirit of Olympism hits an all-time low, the IOC announced that 454 samples from Beijing have been retested and suspicious results discovered involving 31 athletes from 12 countries, in six sports. Also, 250 samples from London 2012 — some involving the same athletes — will be retested in June, with the aim of keeping cheaters who hope to compete in Rio out of the 2016 Games.

Then, naturally, WADA will also retest the samples of athletes who might “inherit” the medals the cheaters would have to forfeit, just in case they were cheating, too

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It all seems just a little late. Eight years after Beijing and four years after London, a period in which the cheaters have already reaped the rewards of their perfidy, the IOC hopes to assure the public that “using the very latest scientific analysis methods” will catch the cheaters who escaped detection in previous Olympics, and keep them out of Brazil, as Bach said, “so that the Olympic magic can unfold in Rio de Janeiro.”

And so that we might be persuaded, once more, to suspend our disbelief for a couple of weeks, and allow ourselves to be charmed all over again.

It gets harder all the time.



You just know every guy in the IOC has a Swiss bank account, what chance do clean athletes, or clean sport have? Rio is a few months away, all the broadcasters who bought the rights for billions will not say a word about the credibility of the competition, they have advertisers they need income from, and anyway it's likely in their IOC broadcast contracts not to say a discouraging word on financial penalty. Don't believe anything you see.

The Olympic concept has imploded from the weight of the fraud it's become, it needs to be burned to the ground and rebuilt from the ground up, but before rebuilding, first ask the question, why bother?

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Yuna Kim Sochi Scandal: South Korean Figure Skater Robbed Of Gold In Russia’s Controversial Olympics

Now that we know what Putin and his KGB agents were doing in the IOC drug lab, bribing some Eastern Bloc figure skating judges seems even more a certainty. especially if one of the judges is married to the president of the Russian Figure Skating federation.. You can't make this stuff up! The bigger question is why the IOC allowed it. Swiss francs talk.

http://www.ibtimes.com/yuna-kim-sochi-scandal-south-korean-f igure-skater-robbed-gold-russias-controversial-olympics-1557 134

Background, the highest ranked Russian womens figure skater bombed in earlier short program, and suddenly the 2nd best Russian, with no previous world competition podiums, a highest previous World Championship placing was 9th (her only Worlds), "miraculously" wins Sochi gold, age 17. Recently placed 6th in the 2016 Russian Championships, 6th best in Russia? .. what happened Adelina?

Why People Think Adelina Sotnikova's Figure Skating Gold Medal Was Rigged
http://www.thewire.com/culture/2014/02/why-people-think-adel ina-sotnikovas-figure-skating-gold-medal-was-rigged/358344/

Kurt Browning, Katerina Witt knew it was rigged..
http://www.thewire.com/culture/2014/02/whole-new-set-questio ns-about-adelina-sotnikovas-allegedly-rigged-gold-medal-win/ 358425/
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Since the minute Adelina Sotnikova won her Olympic figure skating gold medal last week, a growing chorus of people, including skating legends like Kurt Browning and Katarina Witt, have questioned Sotnikova's scores and alleged that her historic win was due to Russian rigging. What isn't going to help Sotnikova's gold-medal legacy are the new images of her hugging one of the people responsible for her score, an analysis at how her fellow Russian Julia Lipnitskaya was generously scored, and the questions about whether mistakes on her jumps were overlooked.

Last week, we touched upon why people thought Sotnikova's win was fixed:
1) she made a visible mistake where the other two gold-medal contenders did not;
2) a judge married to the director of the Russian Figure Skating Federation was in charge of scoring her program; and
3) the Olympics had been very generous to other Russian skaters.
More than 2 million people signed an unofficial online petition for the International Skating Union to investigate the results.

Now, a new set of uncomfortable facts and allegations has cropped up over the weekend. Here's a guide:

Sotnikova Was Hugging One of Her Judges

One image making the viral rounds this weekend was reportedly of a judge named Alla Shekhovtseva — the wife of Valentin Piseev, the longtime president and general director of the Russian Skating Federation — hugging Sotnikova after the competition


Crooked judges? no way! rofl
http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2014/02/the -sad-perfect-end-of-kim-yunas-figure-skating-reign/283986/


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The stench only worsened in the hours after the medal ceremony, as details about Thursday’s judging panel spread.

Yuri Balkov of Ukraine was reinstated as a judge after a suspension for attempting to fix the ice-dancing competition at the 1998 Olympics.

Alla Shekhovtsova? She’s the wife of Valentin Piseev, director of the Russian figure skating federation. You can’t make this up.

Injustices are not unheard of in figure skating. Illusions of impropriety are even more common in an arena fraught with politics and paranoia. It's always been the cost of doing business in a sport reliant on subjective judging. Yet that doesn't make the outcome of Thursday’s competition any easier to make peace with.

"People need to be held accountable," Wagner said, "They need to get rid of the anonymous judging. There are many changes that need to come to this sport if we want a fan base because you can't depend on this sport to always be there when you need it. ... This sport needs to be held more accountable with its system if they want people to believe in it."

[Updated on: Thu, 19 May 2016 19:52]


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Victor Conte talks (BALCO founder, served time for supplying PEDS to Marion Jones and Barry Bonds). With videos in NBC article.
http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/sports/Overwhelming-Majority- of-Olympic-Athletes-are-Doping-374209561.html
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As the summer Olympic Games in Rio speeds into view, real concerns have been raised about whether or not competitors will be playing clean.
Despite on-the-ground testing during the games, Victor Conte says it’s still easy to beat the anti-doping system.
“I’ve said this before, the Olympic Games is a fraud,” he said. “It’s promoted as a fair competition among the nations of the world. What’s fair about these rules when it enables, harbors and promotes the use of drugs?”


Comments on current state of doping in sport (comments from August, 2015)

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/sports/2015/08/07/more-sports/co nte-says-top-officials-hindering-fight-doping/#.Vz6jCNQrKHt


http://www.japantimes.co.jp/sports/2015/08/14/more-sports/co nte-thinks-wada-testing-system-complete-joke/#.Vz6kktQrKHt

http://www.nation.co.ke/sports/athletics/Bolt+must+be+a+chea t+Ex+doping+guru+/-/1100/1259120/-/vnvxd6/-/index.html?


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Three-time Olympic champion Jones never tested positive, but her career fell apart after she was jailed for perjury amid a federal investigation into Balco which uncovered the full scope of Conte’s operation. Seven years after Balco’s demise, Conte believes that over half of top athletes are still doping.

“I believe that before the Balco affair, 80 per cent of athletes were using steroids, today that figure stands at about 65 percent,” Conte said in a hard-hitting interview with La Gazetta dello Sport on Thursday.

Conte said he believed the success of Jamaica’s athletes could also be attributed to dubious methods.

“At the 2001 world championships athletes from a Caribbean country, not Jamaica, told me how a doctor from their team supplied them with testosterone, EPO (erythropoietin) and other kinds of steroids.

“I know, because I went to him and he gave me EPO. The same informer tells me now that before Beijing (Olympic Games in 2008) that the Jamaicans were applying the same protocol that I created at Balco.

“I don’t have proof, but all you need to do is look at the results: I strongly suspect (Usain) Bolt, and the others (Jamaicans).”


Usain Bolt
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2012/08/12/bernstein-usain-bolt- is-probably-doping-and-you-know-it/
Carl Lewis' thoughts.
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Even the simplest assessment of the circumstances surrounding the explosive success of Jamaican sprinting, for example, sets off alarms. There is enough information available that you’d think it would keep anyone from waxing romantic about Usain Bolt or his teammates.

“When people ask me about Bolt, I say he could be the greatest athlete of all time,” Carl Lewis told the Times of London. “But for someone to run 10.03 one year and 9.69 the next, if you don’t question that in a sport that has the reputation it has right now, you’re a fool. Period.”

Jamaica’s Yohan Blake, who just won the silver in the 100 and 200, tested positive for a performance-enhancing drug prior to the 2009 World Championships. Teammates Julian Dunkley and Steve Mullings have also been caught doping.

What are the odds that a tiny, island country suddenly dominates global competition…just because?

Bolt reportedly has been working with Angel Hernandez, too. Hernandez used to be called Angel Heredia, back when he was a chemist for BALCO and later “Source A,” who supplied the documents that helped convict Marion Jones, Tim Montgomery, C.J. Hunter and Justin Gatlin. Gatlin just took bronze in the 100, behind Bolt and Blake.

Before the games in Beijing, Heredia told Germany’s Der Spiegel that, regarding the 100-meter final, “the winner will not be clean. Not even any of the contestants will be clean. There is no doubt about it, the difference between 10.0 and 9.7 seconds is the drugs.”

Usain Bolt went on to win that final with a time of 9.69

[Updated on: Fri, 20 May 2016 01:34]


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Here is Conte's interview on the Joe Rogan show in 2013. Talks about the Jamaicans sprinters at about 44:00. The whole interview is over 2 hours, goes through the history of Balco, great interview, he's a douche, but if you want some insight into the PED world, give it a watch. Lots of MMA drivel. Gives some discussion on effects of EPO at 57:00
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azzhD2QJ8B0

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.. Update on Beijing testing, 14 of the 30 positive Beijing re-tests are Russians..

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-sport-doping-russia-olympi cs-idUSKCN0YF2CI
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Russian media reported a list of athletes, including several Beijing medal winners, who had tested positive. The list could not be verified by Reuters.
It included high jumper Anna Chicherova who won a bronze medal in Beijing and went on to claim gold in London in 2012.


pressure on IOC mounting...
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Calls for a blanket ban of the entire Russian team have grown louder with every twist of the scandal that has rocked world sport


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The IOC are expected to announce the results of re-tests of 250 samples from the London 2012 Games this week. Samples from the Sochi 2014 Winter Olympics are also being retested. The IOC said it would not comment on the ongoing process.



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London Olympics: 23 athletes Competing at Rio Olympics caught out after London 2012 drug retests

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/athletics/2016/05/27/23-athletes- competing-at-rio-olympics-fail-london-2012-drugs-ret/

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/may/27/olympics-23-at hletes-caught-out-london-2012-drug-retests


".. upwards of 60 athletes who took part may have been drugs cheats" that's an optimistic number, it's likely a lot higher than that, more like multiples of 60...
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The London Olympics were in danger of being branded the dirtiest Games in history on Friday night after it was revealed that upwards of 60 athletes who took part may have been drugs cheats.

The memory of Britain’s greatest sporting summer, hailed at the time as the best Olympics ever staged, was further tarnished by the damning results of doping tests carried out using the latest scientific methods on samples taken during London 2012.

A total of 23 athletes were facing having their results wiped out from the Games, on top of the 39 who had already seen theirs annulled for drug offences.


More positive tests to come...
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The International Olympic Committee, which had predicted five years ago that London would be “the cleanest possible Games”, also warned there were more positive tests to come, with yesterday’s results having come exclusively from athletes expected to compete at Rio 2016.

The targeted retests of urine and blood from London 2012 focused on 265 samples, which saw competitors from five sports and six countries caught having used performance-enhancing substances. All of them were facing being banned from August’s Games.


Expected ALL the track & field positives come from Russia
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The Guardian understands that of the track and field athletes who had their London 2012 samples retested, all came from either Russia or Belarus.

Here's a laugh..
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IOC president Thomas Bach said the reanalyses showed his organisation’s determination in the fight against doping. “We want to keep the dopers away from the Olympic Games in Rio de Janeiro,” he added. “This is why we are acting swiftly now. I have already appointed a disciplinary commission, which has the full power to take all the decisions on behalf of the IOC.”

The IOC reminds me of that scene from the movie Casablanca .. actually, it is EXACTLY like that!
" .. I'm shocked, SHOCKED, to find that gambling is going on in here.."
"Sir.. here are your winnings.." (stuffs wad of cash in his pocket..)
lmao


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However Greg Rutherford, who won long jump gold at London 2012, said the IOC was still not doing enough to catch cheats, and called for every sample to be retested as soon as new technologies became available.

“Obviously it’s fantastic to hear the news,” he said. “But I still fear the IOC has missed so many tests that should be re-tested. I hope more people get caught. And I hope more tests are done on the old samples and it happens every year as new information comes out. We need to get rid of every person who’s cheated and repair the reputation of athletics.

Rutherford also wants sports’ governing bodies to find a way to recover the money cheating athletes have earned, along with their medals. “It’s all well and good getting caught years later, but they’ve been able to enjoy the plaudits and money that comes from winning Olympic medals,” he said. “So there has to be a stronger stance. Cheating has impacted on multiple people, it’s changed lives. So there has to be a stronger reprimand for people who have taken drugs.”

[Updated on: Thu, 02 June 2016 01:40]


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So they said that they've caught athletes from six different countries, but are they releasing names yet? Why does it only tell us about athletes from Russia and Belarus? Are they testing based on country? Why retest SOME but not all? If it's in danger of being dirtiest games ever, then test every sample they have again.


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Adam wrote on Fri, 27 May 2016 14:28

So they said that they've caught athletes from six different countries, but are they releasing names yet? Why does it only tell us about athletes from Russia and Belarus? Are they testing based on country? Why retest SOME but not all? If it's in danger of being dirtiest games ever, then test every sample they have again.


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Jamaican Medalist Tests Positive from Beijing
Continuation of Beijing Olympic doping sample retests, Jamaican newspaper reporting one Jamaican medalist from Beijing has tested positive.
http://jamaica-gleaner.com/article/sports/20160601/sample-me dal-winning-jamaican-athlete-tested-positive-banned-substanc e

IOC expected to identify to teh public 31 athletes who tested positive in Beijing within a few days.
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It is also expected that the IOC, which today started a three-day Executive Board meeting at the Palace Hotel in Lausanne, will be confirming the cases and identifying the athletes, whose B samples corroborate the results found in the A samples


Don't worry, it won't be Mr. Bolt, too much money riding on him for everyone concerned, IOC, IIAF, Nike, the world TV broadcasters, he's literally too big to fail.

Russia has already reported 14 of its Russian athletes are included in those who tested positive from Beijing, 10 of which were medalists
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Russian state media has already revealed that 14 of their athletes including 10 medallists from the Beijing Olympics were among those who tested positive in the re-analysis.

[Updated on: Thu, 02 June 2016 01:39]


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A Jamaican positive test was only a matter of time, problems have been common knowledge for a while. Story from 2013.

http://www.bbc.com/sport/athletics/24900565

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Jamaica's most senior drug tester says the country's recent rash of failed tests might be the "tip of an iceberg".

Dr Paul Wright told the BBC that the Caribbean island's anti-doping regime had been woefully short of the international standards required.

His comments come a week after the World Anti-Doping Agency (Wada) visited Jamaica to investigate claims that the country's athletes were not being tested rigorously enough.
Former Jamaican Anti-Doping Commission (Jadco) executive director Renee Anne Shirley sparked the crisis when she said the agency conducted just one out-of-competition test in the six months leading up to the 2012 Olympic Games in London.

Her criticisms, made in an article in Sports Illustrated, followed a series of adverse findings involving Jamaican track and field athletes.



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Asafa Powell, the former 100m world record holder, was the biggest name to test positive, but four others, including Powell's training partner Sherone Simpson, the Olympic relay gold medallist, also failed tests at the country's national trials in June.


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But Dr Wright, a senior doping control officer with Jadco who has 30 years of experience of drug testing in sport, is concerned Wada's intervention will not lead to the sweeping changes required to give the world confidence in Jamaican sport.

Drug testing in Jamaica
Jamaican Minister for Sport Natalie Neita Headley
After the World Anti-Doping Agency (Wada) visit, Jamaica's Minister for Sport Natalie Neita Headley vowed she would increase the current annual budget for testing of just over £380,000
Extra money will be used to hire more senior executives to run the anti-doping programme and to hire and train additional testers
Number of tests conducted by Jadco will be raised from 300 this year to 400 in 2014
He also said the sudden surge of athletes failing tests at the country's national trials in June had left him fearing the worst.

"The results are not good," he told the BBC.

"Remember, all of these results except one were caught by Jadco. The problem is these people were tested positive in competition. That means, months before, you know the date of the test and the approximate time of the test.

"So, if you fail an in-competition test, you haven't only failed a drugs test, you have failed an IQ test.

"This could be the tip of the iceberg to have so many positives coming in competition.

"What is going to convince me is if there is an out-of-competition test that's unannounced, that includes blood testing and which tests for EPO. Then we can hold up our heads high and say we know there's nothing."




Is Mr. Bolt, Mr. Clean?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/othersports/article-2527674 /Usain-Bolt-dominates-landscape-failed-drug-tests-turn-Jamai ca-island-broken-dreams.html
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At the Beijing Olympics in 2008, Jamaican athletes executed a clean sweep of the 100m. Four years later in London, they repeated the feat. That this small Caribbean island of just 2.8million people should be able, time and again, to lead the world on the track is a captivating story.
But now the vision that Bolt embodies is fraying at the edges, at risk of being destroyed by worrying cases of doping among his compatriots.
Bolt has never failed a drug test and has always insisted he runs ‘clean’. But Jamaica has had eight positive drug cases this year, six of them in athletics. Even more concerning has been the resignation of the entire board of the Jamaican Anti-Doping Commission.

[Updated on: Thu, 02 June 2016 01:39]


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Jamaican who tested positive in Beijing identified, Nesta Carter (you didn't actually think it would be Usain Bolt did you?) icon_wink

He's a sprinter (naturally), Mr. Bolt will probably lose his gold from the 4x10 relay, in Beijing, but this guy ran in practically every gold winning relay for Jamaica from 2008 to 2015, including London 2012. Asafa Powell has tested positive before as well, also member of all those past gold medal relays, very unlikely Beijing was the only competition Nester and others were doping, they should actually take back all those medals, but the IOC won't, they don't want to tarnish the Olympic sprinting events any more than they have to, especially their best star(s), the sprints are the most watched events of Olympic track and field, TV viewership and corporate sponsors are the engine that keeps the whole IOC machine turning, nobody wants to tune in to watch a fraud posing as real life sporting drama.

http://www.bbc.com/sport/athletics/36446717

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Jamaica's Usain Bolt could lose one of the three gold medals he won at the 2008 Beijing Olympics.

Reuters report that the 'A' sample of one of his team-mates in the 4x100m, Nesta Carter, was found to contain the banned substance Methylhexanamine.

The news comes after the retesting of 454 samples from the 2008 Games.

Carter, who along with his agent has not replied to requests for comment, will face sanctions if his 'B' sample also tests positive for the substance.

The 30-year-old ran the first leg for Jamaica's 4x100m relay team in Beijing, which also included Michael Frater, Asafa Powell and Bolt.

The team took gold in what was then a new world record of 37.10 seconds, ahead of Trinidad and Tobago and Japan.

Carter was also a member of Jamaica's gold medal-winning relay teams at the 2011, 2013 and 2015 World Championships as well as the 2012 Olympic Games.


Remember, these are retests of samples from in competition, during the Olympics, most doping programs are designed and timed so that the athlete is not "glowing" during the competition testing "window". These in competition tests are sometimes referred to as an "IQ test", because testing positive is the result of mismanaging your doping program, since if managed correctly, the available testing is not able to detect what is left in the athlete's system, or to overcome any masking agents. Essentially the only way you test positive is if you are an idiot/amateur, hence term "IQ test". Or.. if they improve the testing technology 8 years after your "non-glowing" sample was taken, its selected for a retest, and you pop like Mr. Nesta Carter.

The way anti-doping systems are supposed to work, and the only way to realistically catch anyone, is to test during out of competition, unannounced, when most of teh doping programs take place months and years prior to competition. These tests are supposed to be administered by every country's national anti-doping WADA affiliate, but some are less eager than others, apparently prior to London there were no out of competition tests of any Jamaican athletes by their national anti-doping association for 5 of the 7 months leading up to London..

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Shirley said the Jamaicans conducted 96 tests in competition in 2012 before the Olympics, all in May and June at an invitational meet and the national trials. But away from the competitive events, there was no Jamaican testing for five of the seven months before the London Games, she said.

After 10 tests in February and one in April, Jamaica’s out-of-competition program stopped, according to Shirley’s figures. She later gave the same figures to Sports Illustrated, where they generated more attention than her letter to The Gleaner.

“It irritated me as a Jamaican: one test out of competition for what, five months or four months?” Shirley said in a telephone interview. “Given that it was an Olympic year, I felt that more could have been done.”


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A year after Usain Bolt made history at the London Olympics and declared himself “a living legend,” a bombshell dropped largely unnoticed in The Gleaner, the Caribbean’s oldest newspaper: A former director of the Jamaica Anti-Doping Commission alleged the island didn’t drug-test its athletes for entire months before they dazzled at the Summer Games.

Statistics compiled by former the commission’s executive director, Renee Anne Shirley, indicated a near-complete breakdown in the agency’s out-of-competition testing from January 2012 to the July opening of the Olympics.

In an interview with The Associated Press, commission chairman Herbert Elliott dismissed Shirley’s figures as lies and described her as “a bit demented” and “a Judas.”

But the World Anti-Doping Agency confirmed to the AP that there was, as Shirley asserted, “a significant gap of no testing” as athletes trained for London — and that it would launch an “extraordinary” audit of the Jamaican agency.

What’s more, International Olympic Committee medical chiefs, WADA and Britain’s anti-doping agency, which also worked on London’s massive drug-testing program, told the AP that they were kept in the dark about Jamaican testing lapses that Shirley exposed in her August letter to The Gleaner.

“There was a period of . . . maybe five to six months during the beginning part of 2012 where there was no effective operation,” WADA director general David Howman said in an interview. “No testing. There might have been one or two, but there was no testing. So we were worried about it, obviously.”

Jamaican stars didn’t go completely untested before London. Track and field’s governing body, the IAAF, says it extensively tested elite Jamaicans, including Bolt more than 12 times last year. History’s fastest human has never failed a drug test. (hmmm.. the same can be said of a guy named Lance icon_wink )


Here are some other Jamaican athletes who tested negative in London, yet tested positive afterwards within a year.

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The revelations by Shirley, however, were alarming enough to prompt action. While WADA has audited Jamaica’s testing regime before, Howman said its new action is a direct response to the problems Shirley exposed and to positive doping tests this year for five athletes who competed for Jamaica in London. They include former world 100-metre record holder Asafa Powell and Sherone Simpson, an Olympic 4x100 relay gold and silver medallist.

The IOC never tells you who they retested unless you test positive, its all a secret, they control the process, hardly transparent. So you don't know who the the 454 athletes they retested in Beijing are, are they high profile or low profile? They should really say who they tested. There should have probably been way more than 454 retests done (like triple!) if they really wanted to catch past cheats. But I think they said they focused on Beijing athletes that were going to compete in Rio, but more likely the IOC wants to primarily leave sleeping dogs lie.

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 Re: Russian/Olympic Doping Scandal(s) [message #672185 is a reply to message #670334 ]
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Kimbo Slice dies at age 42.
http://www.lfpress.com/2016/06/06/mma-fighter-kimbo-slice-di es-after-being-rushed-to-hospital

Cause of death not released, but he's been caught for steroids previously, don't be surprised if that's a factor ( http://mmajunkie.com/2016/03/kimbo-slice-positive-for-steroi d-ken-shamrock-positive-for-steroid-and-opiod ), likely consistent user over his years in MMA, as with most in the MMA business (as stated by Victor Conte)
http://mmajunkie.com/2012/10/former-balco-boss-victor-conte- estimates-50-percent-of-mma-fighters-using-peds)

http://www.mmafighting.com/2012/4/9/2936863/victor-conte-say s-there-are-simple-answers-for-mmas-drug-problem

Brock Lesnar is the poster boy of drug freaks, and his on going health issues, and hospitalizations can attest to it. Don't be too surprised when that guy drops.

Beyond MMA, the rampant steroid abuse in today's society, by general public "non-athletes", is becoming an epidemic, and stories similar to Kimbo will become more frequent. For the kids cranking in their twenties now, the long term side effects will start to appear in twenty years, or less. HGH (human growth hormone)is a scary one, one of its chief benefits is accelerating cellular growth, which coincidently is a defining characteristic of cancer. Its been reported that Lance Armstrong thought taking HGH caused his cancer. http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/i-team/teammates-lance-bel ieved-doping-caused-cancer-article-1.1247266

Here are some articles about steroid/PED use by the general public in various countries.. its an epidemic. Interesting that teh Euro countries see the potential problems ahead, and are starting to make it illegal to take PEDS, not just deal and distribute, ... Canada?

Canada
http://www.tsn.ca/steroid-users-include-firefighters-teens-e lite-hockey-players-1.393107
Quote:

He sold steroids to everyone from teenaged girls looking for a "six pack," to firefighters anxious to improve their fitness level before photo shoots for fundraising calendars, to "elite level" hockey players.
"Everybody is doing it," said the dealer. "I had a mother of five who won a [bodybuilding] competition, just barely, and said, ‘I need to get to the next level with steroids.’ I had firefighters who didn’t want to be the smallest guy in their calendar shoots.
They want ‘Likes’ on Instagram and Facebook. And I had elite hockey players who know the testing schedule out of season and know enough to take drugs like EPO that require a blood test to catch. They know the tests for those drugs are more expensive and less likely to be used by sports leagues."
The dealer declined to identify any of his onetime customers.


UK
.. estimated up to 2million plus taking PEDs
http://www.vice.com/en_se/read/muscle-dysmorphia-and-steroid s-504
Quote:

A Sky News investigation found that there could be up 1 million people illicitly using steroids in Britain, but Crossland reckons the number is far higher: "I'd say it's more like 2 million. Most of the official stats come from needle exchanges, but only about 30 or 40 percent of steroid users use those services."

Quote:

Crossland believes media representation has a large part to play in the rapid increase of steroid use in the UK. "There's a massive social pressure to look a certain way. I think males are struggling with it harder because it's new for them. Add that to a society that looks for a pill for every ill, and you can understand why people are turning to steroids," he argues. "But why have we got to the point where 17 or 18-year-olds are willing to take massive risks just to look good in a t-shirt? This isn't to achieve a world record. This isn't to be number one in their sport. This is just an average kid who wants social acceptance."[/COLOR] (more like ego, than "acceptance"..)

With anecdotal reports of boys as young as 13 turning to steroids, it is clear usage is no longer the domain of top-class athletes and body-builders. Public Health England admits steroid use is a growing problem and is urging local authorities to offer needle exchange services and health testing. After all, the HIV infection rate of steroid users (1.5 percent) is as high as it is for heroin users. What's more, steroid users are not just taking increasingly high doses; they are taking them for longer and longer periods of time. While it used to be common to do cycles of six to eight weeks, it is now more and more common to stay on them all the time.


http://news.sky.com/story/1403431/one-million-britons-may-us e-steroids-regularly
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There are no nationwide statistics for the number of steroid users, but informed estimates based on the evidence of local drug services put the number possibly as high as one million.

Home Office figures relating to seizures bear out the evidence on the ground of a sharp rise in the number of young men turning to drugs to help them hone their physique.

Individual seizures of steroids and other PIEDs (performance and image-enhancing drugs) increased by 35% in 2014 compared with the previous year, while the total number of doses rose by 70%, up from 1.5 million doses to 2.5 million doses.

Drug workers in sites across England said that pressure to conform to a highly-defined body type was a factor in the increase, and said they were aware of children as young as 13 using the drugs.

"It's all to look good on a Friday night, and it is predominantly 15 to 25-year-olds," said Joseph Keane, who runs The Bridge drugs project in Bradford.

"I have had a 15-year-old injecting steroids straight into his chest, and I have heard anecdotally of guys as young as 13.

"That is the sort of pressure that is on them to look good from a young age."



Denmark
http://cphpost.dk/news/national/denmark-a-hotbed-of-steroid- use.html
Quote:

here are fitness centres across the country where the use of doping agents like anabolic steroids and growth hormones is such an accepted part of the culture that the illegal substances are bought and sold openly inside the centres.

The prevalence of banned substances in Danish fitness centres is supported by both anonymous internet sources and the country's leading fitness researcher.

"There is typically a distribution, resale and organised recruitment network bringing together new potential clients inside these centres, " Kasper Lund Kirkegaard, a researcher for Danmarks Idræts-Forbund (DIF), the country's athletic association, told Politiken newspaper.

The environment inside the centres is such that clients shooting themselves up with steroids are generally left alone, and centres often choose to deny access to the watchdog group Anti Doping Denmark. Although the substances are illegal, police departments do not see them as a high priority.


Norway
http://www.thelocal.no/20150702/steroid-use-soar-as-norwegia ns-seeks-perfect-bod
Quote:

In the first six months of this year, Norwegian customs have seized more than 240,000 steroid doses, up from less than 95,000 in the first six months of last year.

“It’s pretty scary,” Bjørn Røse, the director of Customs and Excise told NRK. “We are seeing a tendency for young people to use anabolic steroid or testosterone simply to look better. There is a new and frightening culture.”

The statistics may have been influenced by the country’s third largest ever seizure of bodybuilding drugs.

Customs officials discovered 104,000 steroids tablets, 8,600 steroid ampoules for injection, and 21.5kg of liquid steroids in a car at the Swedish border in January.

The use of anabolic steroids was only made illegal in Norway in 2013. Previously it had only been illegal to transport and sell the drugs.


Sweden. (use Google translator)
http://www.svt.se/nyheter/vetenskap/allt-fler-svenskar-dopar -sig
Quote:

Five years ago, the Government's Special abuse investigator Gerhard Larsson stated that there were about 10,000 Swedes who regularly doped with anabolic steroids and other hormones. In a recent in-depth investigation, he, along with 50 of the country's foremost experts, concluded that it rather is about three times as many.

Increasing among women and young people
- We estimate that 30,000 Swedes are regular users of doping substances and approximately another 10,000 are occasional users without depending, says Gerhard Larsson.

He is now chairman of the expert group that developed the first comprehensive national research review in the doping issue. It shows that the use of doping substances has become more common among men but also among women, young people and regular exercisers who want to look attractive. The onset is often in the upper teens.

Experts divide doping abusers into three groups:

1. Athletes - Athletes who want to improve their athletic performance by doping to greater strength, power, speed and explosiveness.

2. Aesthetes - Consists of gymtränande exercisers and athletes in bodybuilding and fitness. Their goal is to build a muscular, fit body with a low percentage of body fat. It is hoped that confirmed and admired by others in the community and provide a picture of self-discipline and healthy living.

3. Violence perpetrators - People who take drugs to gain power and status in such criminal circles. They want to inspire fear and respect of opponents by increased aggressiveness and strength.



So prevalent that Swedes even have a government agency/clinics for helping doping addicts.
https://www.regionorebrolan.se/dopningsmottagningen

[Updated on: Tue, 07 June 2016 02:24]


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P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,

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 Re: Russian/Olympic Doping Scandal(s) [message #672228 is a reply to message #670334 ]
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Sharapova banned for two years for doping. She could have got 4, as its the WADA max. I'm surprised the ITF actually banned one of their big showcase, money makers that long.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/tennis/2016/06/08/maria-sharapova -given-two-year-ban-for-doping/
She is appealing, probably on the grounds it was a "first time offense", or "she made a mistake", trying to imply it was only one time, but she knew exactly what she was doing, knew it was a PED, what it did for her performance, and took it for over TEN years during teh peak of her career

WADA only added it recently to the doping drug list because they hadn't realized it was being used, and what it could do performance-wise. Even if it wasn't on the list previously, the WADA code, to which competing athletes are a signatory (which includes Sharapova), states "doping is is fundamentally contrary to the spirit of sport"
https://wada-main-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/resources/files/wada -2015-world-anti-doping-code.pdf
Quote:

FUNDAMENTAL RATIONALE FOR THE
WORLD ANTI-DOPING CODE
Anti-doping programs seek to preserve what is intrinsically
valuable about sport. This intrinsic value is often referred to as
“the spirit of sport.” It is the essence of Olympism, the pursuit
of human excellence through the dedicated perfection of each
person’s natural talents. It is how we play true. The spirit of
sport is the celebration of the human spirit, body and mind, and
is reflected in values we find in and through sport, including:
• Ethics, fair play and honesty
• Health
• Excellence in performance
• Character and education
• Fun and joy
• Teamwork
• Dedication and commitment
• Respect for rules and laws
• Respect for self and other Participants
• Courage
• Community and solidarity

Doping is fundamentally contrary to the spirit of sport.



Quote:

ARTICLE 21 ADDITIONAL ROLES AND
RESPONSIBILITIES OF
ATHLETES AND OTHER
PERSONS
21.1 Roles and Responsibilities of Athletes
21.1.1 To be knowledgeable of and comply with all
applicable anti-doping policies and rules adopted
pursuant to the Code.
21.1.2 To be available for Sample collection at all times.
21.1.3 To take responsibility, in the context of antidoping,
for what they ingest and Use.
21.1.4 To inform medical personnel of their obligation
not to Use Prohibited Substances and Prohibited
Methods and to take responsibility to make sure
that any medical treatment received does not
violate anti-doping policies and rules adopted
pursuant to the Code.
21.1.5 To disclose to their National Anti-Doping
Organization and International Federation any
decision by a non-Signatory finding that the
Athlete committed an anti-doping rule violation
within the previous ten years.
21.1.6 To cooperate with Anti-Doping Organizations
investigating anti-doping rule violations.




WADA prohibited drug/procedures list.. its a long one.. indicates to what lengths (and risks) athlete's/countries will go to dope and win... they even have a section on GENE DOPING, because there are rumours China has started to do that as well... holy crap, now we are talking real Frankensteins.
https://wada-main-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/resources/files/wada -2016-prohibited-list-en.pdf

This is just the section on the class/type of doping that falls under "Hormone and Metabolic Modulators" category
Quote:

HORMONE AND METABOLIC
MODULATORS
The following hormone and metabolic modulators
are prohibited:
1. Aromatase inhibitors including, but not limited to:
4-Androstene-3,6,17 trione (6-oxo);
Aminoglutethimide;
Anastrozole;
Androsta-1,4,6-triene-3,17-dione (androstatrienedione);
Exemestane;
Formestane;
Letrozole;
Testolactone.
2. Selective estrogen receptor modulators (SERMs)
including, but not limited to:
Raloxifene;
Tamoxifen;
Toremifene.
3. Other anti-estrogenic substances including, but not
limited to:
Clomiphene;
Cyclofenil;
Fulvestrant.
4. Agents modifying myostatin function(s) including, but
not limited, to: myostatin inhibitors.
5. Metabolic modulators:
5.1 Activators of the AMP-activated protein kinase
(AMPK), e.g. AICAR; and
Peroxisome Proliferator Activated Receptor δ
(PPARδ) agonists, e.g. GW 1516;
5.2 Insulins and insulin-mimetics;
5.3 Meldonium;
5.4 Trimetazidine.

[Updated on: Thu, 09 June 2016 00:42]


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P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,

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 Re: Russian/Olympic Doping Scandal(s) [message #672289 is a reply to message #672228 ]
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There was no legitimate reason for Sharapova to be on it except for performance enhancing. Just because it was only recently added to list because WADA just found people were using it as PED. Makes you wonder what else she's on that hasn't made the list yet.


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