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 Svechnikov with a Goal of the Year Candidate [message #745897]
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This goal doesn't deserve to be buried in the GDT. Check this out by Andrei Svechnikov.

https://streamable.com/mqvy6

I remember back in the early internet days downloading a grainy video of Crosby scoring one like this as a 13 year old or something. Pretty cool to see this pulled off in the NHL, and I imagine we will see this more and more now. It takes some balls to try that.



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Wow! And be sort of banked it off the side of Talbot's head too.


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 Re: Svechnikov with a Goal of the Year Candidate [message #745904 is a reply to message #745900 ]
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'Twas Rittich not Dadbot. Nice, but nothing Omark or the great Robbie Schremp couldn't do!


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 Re: Svechnikov with a Goal of the Year Candidate [message #745993 is a reply to message #745897 ]
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smyth260 wrote on Tue, 29 October 2019 21:31

This goal doesn't deserve to be buried in the GDT. Check this out by Andrei Svechnikov.

https://streamable.com/mqvy6

I remember back in the early internet days downloading a grainy video of Crosby scoring one like this as a 13 year old or something. Pretty cool to see this pulled off in the NHL, and I imagine we will see this more and more now. It takes some balls to try that.


It should be fun to see Don Cherry melt down about this on Saturday. I remember him losing it when Crosby did that in the Q, saying that if he tries that in the NHL, someone will take his teeth out.

I'm a big fan of scoring anyway you can. If you don't want to be "shown up", then find a way to stop it.



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Love it. Super gutsy to do when you're down by 1 in the third period, but hey, you're a hero if it works.


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 Re: Svechnikov with a Goal of the Year Candidate [message #746042 is a reply to message #745897 ]
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I don't know if I'm about to become devil's advocate here, and it's obvious I have a fondness of honour, tradition and unwritten codes and all that. Buuuut I didn't hate the old ways of suppressing hot doggin'.

They call it a lacrosse goal because it shouldn't be in hockey. You really want guys standing behind the net whipping sticks around the goalie's ears? Hockey sticks belong on the ice. If a lacrosse style goal attempt hits a goalie in the head, is that irresponsible use of the stick nullifying the goal and costing the player two minutes for high sticking? If the goalie bleeds isn't that a double minor? Could a goalie be concussed like this?

Imagine if someone tried this crap on Moog or Fuhrsie? Semenko, McSorley or Mess would have something to say about that! I know different eras get with the times yadda yadda.

I'm no Don Cherry fan boy, loved rock 'em sock em videos back in the VHS days. I got one every Christmas. It may be time he thinks about retirement. But those Hurricanes sure are a bunch of jerks.



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 Re: Svechnikov with a Goal of the Year Candidate [message #746043 is a reply to message #746042 ]
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Xombie wrote on Thu, 31 October 2019 23:48

I don't know if I'm about to become devil's advocate here, and it's obvious I have a fondness of honour, tradition and unwritten codes and all that. Buuuut I didn't hate the old ways of suppressing hot doggin'.

They call it a lacrosse goal because it shouldn't be in hockey. You really want guys standing behind the net whipping sticks around the goalie's ears? Hockey sticks belong on the ice. If a lacrosse style goal attempt hits a goalie in the head, is that irresponsible use of the stick nullifying the goal and costing the player two minutes for high sticking? If the goalie bleeds isn't that a double minor? Could a goalie be concussed like this?

Imagine if someone tried this crap on Moog or Fuhrsie? Semenko, McSorley or Mess would have something to say about that! I know different eras get with the times yadda yadda.

I'm no Don Cherry fan boy, loved rock 'em sock em videos back in the VHS days. I got one every Christmas. It may be time he thinks about retirement. But those Hurricanes sure are a bunch of jerks.



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I known it's not exactly the same, but there was this one time that James Neal broke his stick over the head of Hellebuyck and then the Knights scored. They reviewed the goal and it counted...



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 Re: Svechnikov with a Goal of the Year Candidate [message #746057 is a reply to message #746043 ]
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That Hellebuyck one should have technically been either high sticking or slashing nullifying the goal. But we all know refs don't call every single infraction.

Apples to oranges here, but if Tom Wilson grabs the puck and tucks it under his armpit and barrels through the goalie into the net do we ooo and aaah at his nifty "football style goal"? Or if Nurse grabs the puck and slams his fist into the net is that an unbelievable "basketball slam dunk style goal"?

Of course not because that defied the rules of hockey. Svechnikov's goal is not as egregious but similar because of the careless use of the stick and high sticking grey areas in the rule book. A better example might be how kicked in goals are disallowed because the danger of guys kicking with blades on their feet around the goalie. These are not celebrated as "gorgeous soccer style" goals.



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 Re: Svechnikov with a Goal of the Year Candidate [message #746066 is a reply to message #746057 ]
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A number of comments;

Xombie wrote on Fri, 01 November 2019 21:27

That Hellebuyck one should have technically been either high sticking or slashing nullifying the goal. But we all know refs don't call every single infraction.




Agreed. I think that play is very different than the Scechnikov one so not a good comparable.

Xombie wrote on Fri, 01 November 2019 21:27



Apples to oranges here, but if Tom Wilson grabs the puck and tucks it under his armpit and barrels through the goalie into the net do we ooo and aaah at his nifty "football style goal"? Or if Nurse grabs the puck and slams his fist into the net is that an unbelievable "basketball slam dunk style goal"?




Like you said Apples to oranges. I would guess most of us posting here could score your football or basketball style goals. I would also guess that very few of us could score a lacross goal given all the time in the world, forget about in a game.
The skill required to pull this off is top level, which is why it doesnt happen much in any league.

Xombie wrote on Fri, 01 November 2019 21:27



Of course not because that defied the rules of hockey. Svechnikov's goal is not as egregious but similar because of the careless use of the stick and high sticking grey areas in the rule book.


It is not a grey area at all for two reasons. The puck doesnt come over the cross bar so it isnt a high stick on the puck.
A follow through on a shot that hits a player is not considered a high sticking penalty so that isnt a grey area either.
Both high sticking type calls are covered specifically and allow for this play.

Xombie wrote on Fri, 01 November 2019 21:27


A better example might be how kicked in goals are disallowed because the danger of guys kicking with blades on their feet around the goalie. These are not celebrated as "gorgeous soccer style" goals.


First off the danger. A player carying the puck lacross style and flinging it at the net may catch a goalie with the follow though but the level of risk and danger is well below a skate near the goalies hands or legs.

Second the "gorgeous soccer style" comment. Much like the football and basketball examples this is one is A. Legal and B. MUCH harder to execute.

I have kicked in countless goals over the years, hoping a ref misses it. Given 30 seconds and 10 tries I MIGHT be able to pull of the lacrosse move once, if I had a bit of luck on my side.

From a respect for the game, or classless jerk level I am fine with it but totally understand those that dont like. I just see it as an evolution of the game.
I am guessing the first guy that wound up for a thunderous slap shot was seen as showing off for no reason.

I like ANY play that is within the rules and makes the game more entertaining.



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 Re: Svechnikov with a Goal of the Year Candidate [message #746107 is a reply to message #746066 ]
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PlusOne wrote on Sat, 02 November 2019 11:20

The puck doesnt come over the cross bar so it isnt a high stick on the puck.
A follow through on a shot that hits a player is not considered a high sticking penalty so that isnt a grey area either.
Both high sticking type calls are covered specifically and allow for this play.


Ahh now that is a good point on the follow through of a shot not being high sticking. I never thought about that side of the coin. If the rule book considers lifting the puck up and scooping it to be a shot that is.

For high sticking the puck resulting in a goal, under crossbar is the rule. However; isn't high sticking on a player governed by their shoulder height even if they're hunched over, like even under crossbar height?



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Xombie wrote on Sun, 03 November 2019 05:14

PlusOne wrote on Sat, 02 November 2019 11:20

The puck doesnt come over the cross bar so it isnt a high stick on the puck.
A follow through on a shot that hits a player is not considered a high sticking penalty so that isnt a grey area either.
Both high sticking type calls are covered specifically and allow for this play.


Ahh now that is a good point on the follow through of a shot not being high sticking. I never thought about that side of the coin. If the rule book considers lifting the puck up and scooping it to be a shot that is.

For high sticking the puck resulting in a goal, under crossbar is the rule. However; isn't high sticking on a player governed by their shoulder height even if they're hunched over, like even under crossbar height?


Good question. I had to look this up to try and find out;

60.1 High-sticking - A “high stick” is one which is carried above the height
of the opponent’s shoulders. Players must be in control and
responsible for their stick. However, a player is permitted accidental
contact on an opponent if the act is committed as a normal windup or
follow through of a shooting motion, or accidental contact on the
opposing center who is bent over during the course of a face-off. A
wild swing at a bouncing puck would not be considered a normal
windup or follow through and any contact to an opponent above the
height of the shoulders shall be penalized accordingly.

"above the opponents shoulders" is a bit ambiguous. Is it high based on where his head normally would be or where it is in real time?




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 Re: Svechnikov with a Goal of the Year Candidate [message #746176 is a reply to message #746113 ]
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PlusOne wrote on Sun, 03 November 2019 17:03

Xombie wrote on Sun, 03 November 2019 05:14

PlusOne wrote on Sat, 02 November 2019 11:20

The puck doesnt come over the cross bar so it isnt a high stick on the puck.
A follow through on a shot that hits a player is not considered a high sticking penalty so that isnt a grey area either.
Both high sticking type calls are covered specifically and allow for this play.


Ahh now that is a good point on the follow through of a shot not being high sticking. I never thought about that side of the coin. If the rule book considers lifting the puck up and scooping it to be a shot that is.

For high sticking the puck resulting in a goal, under crossbar is the rule. However; isn't high sticking on a player governed by their shoulder height even if they're hunched over, like even under crossbar height?


Good question. I had to look this up to try and find out;

60.1 High-sticking - A “high stick” is one which is carried above the height
of the opponent’s shoulders. Players must be in control and
responsible for their stick. However, a player is permitted accidental
contact on an opponent if the act is committed as a normal windup or
follow through of a shooting motion, or accidental contact on the
opposing center who is bent over during the course of a face-off. A
wild swing at a bouncing puck would not be considered a normal
windup or follow through and any contact to an opponent above the
height of the shoulders shall be penalized accordingly.

"above the opponents shoulders" is a bit ambiguous. Is it high based on where his head normally would be or where it is in real time?



Yeah I gotta admit a bit of grey area on this one. Svechnikov's got a good goal until they address this specific play in the rule book.

I think its real time for head height. I've seen some high sticking calls for high sticking on a guy hunched over skating. With all the attention on concussions and preventing them, plus the NHL trying to "get ahead" of the NFL on concussions it might be a play they outlaw to protect the 'tenders.



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 Re: Svechnikov with a Goal of the Year Candidate [message #746180 is a reply to message #746176 ]
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Xombie wrote on Mon, 04 November 2019 19:37

PlusOne wrote on Sun, 03 November 2019 17:03

Xombie wrote on Sun, 03 November 2019 05:14

PlusOne wrote on Sat, 02 November 2019 11:20

The puck doesnt come over the cross bar so it isnt a high stick on the puck.
A follow through on a shot that hits a player is not considered a high sticking penalty so that isnt a grey area either.
Both high sticking type calls are covered specifically and allow for this play.


Ahh now that is a good point on the follow through of a shot not being high sticking. I never thought about that side of the coin. If the rule book considers lifting the puck up and scooping it to be a shot that is.

For high sticking the puck resulting in a goal, under crossbar is the rule. However; isn't high sticking on a player governed by their shoulder height even if they're hunched over, like even under crossbar height?


Good question. I had to look this up to try and find out;

60.1 High-sticking - A “high stick” is one which is carried above the height
of the opponent’s shoulders. Players must be in control and
responsible for their stick. However, a player is permitted accidental
contact on an opponent if the act is committed as a normal windup or
follow through of a shooting motion, or accidental contact on the
opposing center who is bent over during the course of a face-off. A
wild swing at a bouncing puck would not be considered a normal
windup or follow through and any contact to an opponent above the
height of the shoulders shall be penalized accordingly.

"above the opponents shoulders" is a bit ambiguous. Is it high based on where his head normally would be or where it is in real time?



Yeah I gotta admit a bit of grey area on this one. Svechnikov's got a good goal until they address this specific play in the rule book.

I think its real time for head height. I've seen some high sticking calls for high sticking on a guy hunched over skating. With all the attention on concussions and preventing them, plus the NHL trying to "get ahead" of the NFL on concussions it might be a play they outlaw to protect the 'tenders.

Just call it six feet and stick a camera at that level. Then we can measure objectively rather than subjectively.



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 Re: Svechnikov with a Goal of the Year Candidate [message #746221 is a reply to message #746180 ]
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I like that idea except the Theo Fleury's and Martin St. Louis('s?) of the world are forever under 6 feet so you could carve their teeth out and it wouldn't technically be high sticking ever.


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Xombie wrote on Mon, 04 November 2019 22:39

I like that idea except the Theo Fleury's and Martin St. Louis('s?) of the world are forever under 6 feet so you could carve their teeth out and it wouldn't technically be high sticking ever.

If you hit a guy in the head with a stick, it’s a high stick. 4 minutes if you draw blood. I’m talking about deflections and whatnot.



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Oi, gotcha. So as long as the puck is under the 6 foot line you could lacrosse it all night. I guess I'm ok with that.


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